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BillZBubb

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45. Check you dictionary. Reducing tax rates on the wealthy is GIVING.

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:41 PM

Jul 2015

Give has many definitions. At the least it is GIVING them tax "relief", if you want to use GOP propaganda points. The end result is they get more money than they would have had if the taxes weren't cut. That is, in reality, giving them money.

We say the Constitution gives us many rights. But the Declaration says those rights are natural and unalienable. By your definition, then, people are wrong to say the Constitution gives us rights.

If you want to parrot the republican line on tax cuts, that's fine. Don't expect many people to buy it though.

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Is my understanding of the Greece situation correct? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 OP

The sad thing is... yallerdawg Jul 2015 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #2

Make sure to cut off the sentence early so you have a good strawman to torch. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #7

#2 is totally true, and if you don't get it, you need to do some research. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #19

What do you think "give" means? PETRUS Jul 2015 #22

Would you feel better if I said "effectively gave" instead? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #23

Give me a break. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #31

Check you dictionary. Reducing tax rates on the wealthy is GIVING. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #47

'Tis the mystery of 'liberal' discussionists... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #50

Nitpicking word choice is not rejecting a line of reasoning. merrily Jul 2015 #54

Sorry, are you talking to me? Nitpicking? Where? Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #57

I am talking to you but you did not nitpick words merrily Jul 2015 #59

It really is black and white. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #58

It's quite simple to understand vlyons Jul 2015 #71

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #72

You put it quite well. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #96

I should have read your post before I wrote my own. merrily Jul 2015 #53

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #56

Be less literal. Manny condensed several steps down to one. Hence, he said "effectively." merrily Jul 2015 #52

The question then is... The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #3

Either way you can remove the little guy from the picture until the end when the bill comes due. jwirr Jul 2015 #11

Right, but only now is it enough The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #18

As I understand it, a lot of little guys didn't pay their taxes either. Hoyt Jul 2015 #55

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #67

Yes. Tax evasion has been an art in Greece, LuckyLib Jul 2015 #93

"Behaved for a while" was, like, 7 years truebluegreen Jul 2015 #4

+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #5

Annoying mimi85 Jul 2015 #39

Pardon me? daleanime Jul 2015 #41

I think the poster simply posted in the wrong place. merrily Jul 2015 #60

Yes. a friend moved back from Greece ~ 4 yrs ago elehhhhna Jul 2015 #104

Keep in mind the rich people were not necessarily Greek. jeff47 Jul 2015 #6

Good point. You can look at Greek real estate online from anywhere in the world and buy. merrily Jul 2015 #62

Here is my summary Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #9

You forgot something in your list of moral hazards: truebluegreen Jul 2015 #12

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #61

Good point. Does the term "subprime" morgage come to mind? merrily Jul 2015 #63

^^^This This This BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #91

Yes, definitely Shock Doctrine at play here. laundry_queen Jul 2015 #95

And not only will the rich get all the money BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #97

Okay, I want to know what they were in debt for? Not how much but what they were asking the jwirr Jul 2015 #15

Lots of information marym625 Jul 2015 #20

I'm sick of this austerity bullshit. LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #10

Hell, I was considering spending the rest of my old age there until Cleita Jul 2015 #17

The best explanation I've come across so far is this interview with political economist Mark Blyth, scarletwoman Jul 2015 #13

Thanks. MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #24

Thank you scarletwoman. I will bookmark this because I respect your opinion and knowledge very much merrily Jul 2015 #65

Hi merrily! I also highly recommend the Greg Palast links in marym625's post #14 in this thread: scarletwoman Jul 2015 #75

Thank you so much for the info about jackpine. I am sure many DUers will be very interested merrily Jul 2015 #76

Just two words marym625 Jul 2015 #14

Larry Summers should be dropped into a Brazilian slum MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #26

He's the scum of the earth marym625 Jul 2015 #29

We need more slum locales. Rubin, Goolsbee, Sperling--every one of the DLC/Third Way lot. merrily Jul 2015 #66

Thank you for those links! Greg Palast is a treasure! scarletwoman Jul 2015 #32

agree on all counts! eom marym625 Jul 2015 #34

He is. RiffRandell Jul 2015 #46

I have put this out there before marym625 Jul 2015 #81

Very cool! RiffRandell Jul 2015 #105

Thanks! marym625 Jul 2015 #106

+1 Great Links, thanks. nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #64

1-6 of your points are wrong but I think you know that. former9thward Jul 2015 #16

Have rarely read a more succinct and accurate summary of the situation... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #51

And wrong BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #92

The fact is that almost all of the money lent to Greece was used to pay back the bankers' loans. PSPS Jul 2015 #21

Sorry but his claim that tax-evasion in the US is as bad as in Greece is simply wrong. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #77

Greece did have some very expensive habits Adrahil Jul 2015 #25

#2 is a little more complicated Warpy Jul 2015 #27

There are two points of view here.. sendero Jul 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #30

9. Wanna bet they would let all of this slide if they had a right-wing government? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #33

_We_ did. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2015 #36

#2 and #3 Wasnt the cause of the current problem but it did certainly didnt help. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #35

Just about sums it up. Rich refused to pay taxes, gov't refused to collect taxes..their own kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #37

the 2008 crisis brought Greece to its knees magical thyme Jul 2015 #38

no. NPR's on the media has a good segment about greece. most of the money went to....... pansypoo53219 Jul 2015 #40

You did leave out the part about Greece saying Germany still owes it dflprincess Jul 2015 #42

I think they were trying to make a point MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #43

There's a whole thread on the topic that I just stumbled on dflprincess Jul 2015 #44

Please. This is a Greece-bashing thread, not a Germany-bashing thread. Get with the program. merrily Jul 2015 #68

Oh damn dflprincess Jul 2015 #98

Always happy to help. merrily Jul 2015 #99

And now the rich are crying Aerows Jul 2015 #48

you left out a few important facts hill2016 Jul 2015 #49

Hence by your argument, the pensions are responsible? Live and Learn Jul 2015 #73

Also bloated public payroll 1939 Jul 2015 #84

or maybe that's just one of those myths reorg Jul 2015 #88

Greece vs. Germany MattSh Jul 2015 #69

+1 Thanks for the info and link. nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #74

Thanks for this thread. I don't know the answer to your question, but I intend to learn more. merrily Jul 2015 #70

Proles are a George Orwell description of working class? B Calm Jul 2015 #78

"Proles" = short for "proletariat" Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #100

Something like that, Manny... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #79

That about sums it up - TBF Jul 2015 #80

Manny, I think you left a couple items out... brooklynite Jul 2015 #82

15. Proles cozy up to Putin MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #85

What does Russia get out of the deal? brooklynite Jul 2015 #87

Potentially a vassal in NATO, ports, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #89

kinda amazes me that conservatives do not realize questionseverything Jul 2015 #90

What amazes me more... MattSh Jul 2015 #103

Don't forget Goldman-Sachs! Octafish Jul 2015 #83

There's nothing that the Vampire Squid doesn't have its beak jammed in. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #86

I'd only add one thing. hifiguy Jul 2015 #94

Look upthread Aerows Jul 2015 #101

Yup. England, Greece, Portugal and others, all victims of Clinton era deregulation. merrily Jul 2015 #102