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92. And wrong

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Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:03 PM

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Is my understanding of the Greece situation correct? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 OP

The sad thing is... yallerdawg Jul 2015 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #2

Make sure to cut off the sentence early so you have a good strawman to torch. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #7

#2 is totally true, and if you don't get it, you need to do some research. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #19

What do you think "give" means? PETRUS Jul 2015 #22

Would you feel better if I said "effectively gave" instead? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #23

Give me a break. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #31

Check you dictionary. Reducing tax rates on the wealthy is GIVING. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #47

'Tis the mystery of 'liberal' discussionists... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #50

Nitpicking word choice is not rejecting a line of reasoning. merrily Jul 2015 #54

Sorry, are you talking to me? Nitpicking? Where? Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #57

I am talking to you but you did not nitpick words merrily Jul 2015 #59

It really is black and white. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #58

It's quite simple to understand vlyons Jul 2015 #71

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #72

You put it quite well. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #96

I should have read your post before I wrote my own. merrily Jul 2015 #53

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #56

Be less literal. Manny condensed several steps down to one. Hence, he said "effectively." merrily Jul 2015 #52

The question then is... The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #3

Either way you can remove the little guy from the picture until the end when the bill comes due. jwirr Jul 2015 #11

Right, but only now is it enough The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #18

As I understand it, a lot of little guys didn't pay their taxes either. Hoyt Jul 2015 #55

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #67

Yes. Tax evasion has been an art in Greece, LuckyLib Jul 2015 #93

"Behaved for a while" was, like, 7 years truebluegreen Jul 2015 #4

+1 daleanime Jul 2015 #5

Annoying mimi85 Jul 2015 #39

Pardon me? daleanime Jul 2015 #41

I think the poster simply posted in the wrong place. merrily Jul 2015 #60

Yes. a friend moved back from Greece ~ 4 yrs ago elehhhhna Jul 2015 #104

Keep in mind the rich people were not necessarily Greek. jeff47 Jul 2015 #6

Good point. You can look at Greek real estate online from anywhere in the world and buy. merrily Jul 2015 #62

Here is my summary Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #9

You forgot something in your list of moral hazards: truebluegreen Jul 2015 #12

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #61

Good point. Does the term "subprime" morgage come to mind? merrily Jul 2015 #63

^^^This This This BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #91

Yes, definitely Shock Doctrine at play here. laundry_queen Jul 2015 #95

And not only will the rich get all the money BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #97

Okay, I want to know what they were in debt for? Not how much but what they were asking the jwirr Jul 2015 #15

Lots of information marym625 Jul 2015 #20

I'm sick of this austerity bullshit. LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #10

Hell, I was considering spending the rest of my old age there until Cleita Jul 2015 #17

The best explanation I've come across so far is this interview with political economist Mark Blyth, scarletwoman Jul 2015 #13

Thanks. MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #24

Thank you scarletwoman. I will bookmark this because I respect your opinion and knowledge very much merrily Jul 2015 #65

Hi merrily! I also highly recommend the Greg Palast links in marym625's post #14 in this thread: scarletwoman Jul 2015 #75

Thank you so much for the info about jackpine. I am sure many DUers will be very interested merrily Jul 2015 #76

Just two words marym625 Jul 2015 #14

Larry Summers should be dropped into a Brazilian slum MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #26

He's the scum of the earth marym625 Jul 2015 #29

We need more slum locales. Rubin, Goolsbee, Sperling--every one of the DLC/Third Way lot. merrily Jul 2015 #66

Thank you for those links! Greg Palast is a treasure! scarletwoman Jul 2015 #32

agree on all counts! eom marym625 Jul 2015 #34

He is. RiffRandell Jul 2015 #46

I have put this out there before marym625 Jul 2015 #81

Very cool! RiffRandell Jul 2015 #105

Thanks! marym625 Jul 2015 #106

+1 Great Links, thanks. nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #64

1-6 of your points are wrong but I think you know that. former9thward Jul 2015 #16

Have rarely read a more succinct and accurate summary of the situation... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #51

And wrong BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #92

The fact is that almost all of the money lent to Greece was used to pay back the bankers' loans. PSPS Jul 2015 #21

Sorry but his claim that tax-evasion in the US is as bad as in Greece is simply wrong. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #77

Greece did have some very expensive habits Adrahil Jul 2015 #25

#2 is a little more complicated Warpy Jul 2015 #27

There are two points of view here.. sendero Jul 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #30

9. Wanna bet they would let all of this slide if they had a right-wing government? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #33

_We_ did. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2015 #36

#2 and #3 Wasnt the cause of the current problem but it did certainly didnt help. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #35

Just about sums it up. Rich refused to pay taxes, gov't refused to collect taxes..their own kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #37

the 2008 crisis brought Greece to its knees magical thyme Jul 2015 #38

no. NPR's on the media has a good segment about greece. most of the money went to....... pansypoo53219 Jul 2015 #40

You did leave out the part about Greece saying Germany still owes it dflprincess Jul 2015 #42

I think they were trying to make a point MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #43

There's a whole thread on the topic that I just stumbled on dflprincess Jul 2015 #44

Please. This is a Greece-bashing thread, not a Germany-bashing thread. Get with the program. merrily Jul 2015 #68

Oh damn dflprincess Jul 2015 #98

Always happy to help. merrily Jul 2015 #99

And now the rich are crying Aerows Jul 2015 #48

you left out a few important facts hill2016 Jul 2015 #49

Hence by your argument, the pensions are responsible? Live and Learn Jul 2015 #73

Also bloated public payroll 1939 Jul 2015 #84

or maybe that's just one of those myths reorg Jul 2015 #88

Greece vs. Germany MattSh Jul 2015 #69

+1 Thanks for the info and link. nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #74

Thanks for this thread. I don't know the answer to your question, but I intend to learn more. merrily Jul 2015 #70

Proles are a George Orwell description of working class? B Calm Jul 2015 #78

"Proles" = short for "proletariat" Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #100

Something like that, Manny... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #79

That about sums it up - TBF Jul 2015 #80

Manny, I think you left a couple items out... brooklynite Jul 2015 #82

15. Proles cozy up to Putin MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #85

What does Russia get out of the deal? brooklynite Jul 2015 #87

Potentially a vassal in NATO, ports, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #89

kinda amazes me that conservatives do not realize questionseverything Jul 2015 #90

What amazes me more... MattSh Jul 2015 #103

Don't forget Goldman-Sachs! Octafish Jul 2015 #83

There's nothing that the Vampire Squid doesn't have its beak jammed in. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #86

I'd only add one thing. hifiguy Jul 2015 #94

Look upthread Aerows Jul 2015 #101

Yup. England, Greece, Portugal and others, all victims of Clinton era deregulation. merrily Jul 2015 #102