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Koinos

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68. He has more influence worldwide than you think.

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:48 AM

Jul 2015

But we could certainly use more religious and secular leaders who speak out loud and clear about the danger of global capitalism to the earth and its people.

How many political leaders really view climate change as an urgent matter that should have been addressed a long time ago?

How many religious leaders are making a big public splash with this sort of activism?

Finally, how many religious and political leaders have a global audience?

Our leadership in this country has done a half-hearted job of sounding the alarm.

The "why" is well spelled out in Naomi Klein's book. Conservatives are in denial about climate science, because they understand the consequences of climate change for capitalism. Liberals accept climate science, but they are in denial about the consequences of climate change for capitalism and our way of life.

Liberal Americans want to "save the earth" and "keep the consumption party going" at the same time. Not. Going. To. Happen.

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Pope Francis ignites a revolt that will overthrow American capitalism [View all] Koinos Jul 2015 OP

I do like this Pope! peacebird Jul 2015 #1

Is this revolution going to overthrow abortion rights also? former9thward Jul 2015 #2

That's not part of his revolution starroute Jul 2015 #5

You have not noticed. former9thward Jul 2015 #8

That is very true. Koinos Jul 2015 #35

+1000 hueymahl Jul 2015 #95

Abortion a pet issue? F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #103

revolution isn't happening when we demand purity. who thot roguevalley Jul 2015 #119

Purity, like gender equality and sexuality rights? F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #128

Like fucking hell he has. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #20

I think he plans on giving poeple like you... SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #31

Women's health and sexual equality = pony Lordquinton Jul 2015 #115

What? SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #131

So then what prompted your "You want a pony" comment? Lordquinton Jul 2015 #132

When the devil... SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #142

Well at least we agree the pope is skin to the devil. Lordquinton Jul 2015 #154

Oh FFS... SidDithers Jul 2015 #123

you are so easy SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #130

Welcome back...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #133

real question SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #143

Depends on how bad the bad person is...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #145

This Pope has surprised us in so many ways. . . stellanoir Jul 2015 #6

That is not the Pope's position. former9thward Jul 2015 #9

Pope versus Koch- Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Gregorian Jul 2015 #3

the catholic church is a capitalist institution. is he going to over throw himself lol nt msongs Jul 2015 #4

We have a winner. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #21

The ignorance of capitalist mechanics in this thread is astounding. nt F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #105

some people hate religion so much even this is nothing to them roguevalley Jul 2015 #120

I am glad he says this. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #126

He is miles in front of any politician hifiguy Jul 2015 #7

Predatory capitalism and global climate change Koinos Jul 2015 #10

That is a hell of a book hifiguy Jul 2015 #23

Their views on climate change are very similar in many ways. Koinos Jul 2015 #29

He's the leader of the single wealthiest private entity on the planet AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #22

According to Naomi Klein, carbon credits are useless. Koinos Jul 2015 #28

I tend to agree. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #34

As you know, the pope is at odds with many in the Vatican. Koinos Jul 2015 #37

Unfortunately his homophobia and sexism has remained consistent before and after his election. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #39

I won't disagree with you on that. Koinos Jul 2015 #41

its a statistic that needs to be addressed, thats for sure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #42

You won't hear that statistic very much from the wealthy. Koinos Jul 2015 #51

Not true. Vatican City is worth less than some individual Americans. pnwmom Jul 2015 #43

The vaticans budget is larger than you think. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #44

So? The Pope doesn't control property owned by individual Catholics, pnwmom Jul 2015 #45

Certainly not on paper, no. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #47

The Pope/Vatican still won't own Notre Dame or any of the other valuable properties they don't own now. pnwmom Jul 2015 #48

Can't you people understand that sex isn't everything? It's not even anywhere Joe Chi Minh Jul 2015 #117

I don't hitch my wagon to a bigot. Pope's a bigot. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #118

What a vile, disgusting post. LGBT human rights are not a 'bedroom hobby horse' no matter what Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #134

You see it here, right? This is a parallel to what is happening with some white straight stevenleser Jul 2015 #144

And a jury voted 5-2 to keep this vile, disgusting post. Marrah_G Jul 2015 #151

"You people"? Can't *you* understand the importance of reproductive freedom in relation PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #138

Jury Results: 2-5 to keep stevenleser Jul 2015 #146

How dare you say that Marrah_G Jul 2015 #150

Let us pray. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #11

Lord FSM, we come to you with bowls empty, and full hearts... Hydra Jul 2015 #12

!!! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #13

Glad to be of service :p Hydra Jul 2015 #14

when I first scanned your title KatyMan Jul 2015 #17

Amen kysrsoze Jul 2015 #129

When do we see some worldly results? daredtowork Jul 2015 #15

It can't hoit! hifiguy Jul 2015 #26

Climate change is or should be our number one concern. Koinos Jul 2015 #30

It is just that simple. hifiguy Jul 2015 #36

People with a job and food security always say that. daredtowork Jul 2015 #46

Good points. Koinos Jul 2015 #52

His encyclical is a long raft of bullshit he will not follow up with action wrapped around anti Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #55

It's made a lot clear to me, that's for sure. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #148

Um, we have to revolt treestar Jul 2015 #58

"Occupy" will never die. V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #16

It may not be dead but it is 'gone'. Mindless optimism serves no one's goals. randome Jul 2015 #153

My point is... V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #155

Not a Catholic but jomin41 Jul 2015 #18

I'm not a Catholic either, but we need all the help we can get to save the planet. Koinos Jul 2015 #32

And yet the Vatican won't even divest of carbon stocks, they just bullshit people with rhetoric Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #19

The head of a bank will overthrow capitalism? Let me sit the fuck down....nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #24

I wouldn't compare Pope Francis with Jamie Dimon. Koinos Jul 2015 #38

He knows his BFEE: ''Dung of the Devil.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #25

Profits of Death. If we took the profit out of war WDIM Jul 2015 #64

Agree 100-percent. Octafish Jul 2015 #69

Pope Francis' speech in Bolivia where he referred to capitalism as the "dung of the devil." Koinos Jul 2015 #27

Unbridled capitalism� has become a �subtle dictatorship,� freshwest Jul 2015 #33

"Free" as in "out of control" markets Koinos Jul 2015 #40

As much as I agree with him TBF Jul 2015 #49

Threats against popes have been very common. Koinos Jul 2015 #50

Wow, I just read your post about inheriting a bunch of wealth, so you are another of the affluent Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #57

I am curious. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #106

He will not answer. On DU, many of the people who employ socialist rhetoric are wealthy, they say Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #135

I need to clean my glasses. bluedigger Jul 2015 #53

No, it won't... SidDithers Jul 2015 #54

They are deifying him as best as they can. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #107

Hardly... MellowDem Jul 2015 #56

Jesus did preach against vulture capitalism. WDIM Jul 2015 #59

All good points. Koinos Jul 2015 #63

All "Christian" ministers should be preaching against heartless capitalism WDIM Jul 2015 #67

Excellent post WDIM! Koinos Jul 2015 #70

The reason Christian ministers cow before right wingers is simple, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #122

The Sermon on the Mount and the art hifiguy Jul 2015 #125

I'll look to people who aren't in charge Codeine Jul 2015 #60

Oh, boy. Another Paul Farrell prediction onenote Jul 2015 #61

It is all about the threat of socialism to the "elite." Koinos Jul 2015 #66

Does anyone really think they'll let him live to accomplish this? CanonRay Jul 2015 #62

He's not leading any fucking revolution. Codeine Jul 2015 #65

He has more influence worldwide than you think. Koinos Jul 2015 #68

He's a preacher. All Popes preach. Benedict preached about globalization and poverty too. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #136

utter nonsense whatthehey Jul 2015 #71

Some statistics for you to put that into persepective Koinos Jul 2015 #72

I'm not sure what the value of their holdings has to do with it though whatthehey Jul 2015 #79

Your point is well taken. Koinos Jul 2015 #88

Pope Francis Isn�t Holding Back�And U.S. Politicians Should Watch Out Koinos Jul 2015 #73

Oh, please. U.S. Politicians are not shivering with fear over this Pope. The U.S. Bishops... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #112

Indeed, it is not Capitalism anymore. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #74

Absolutely. Koinos Jul 2015 #76

Did everyone ignore that Francis attacked abortion in his rant against capitalism? Deadshot Jul 2015 #75

Duly noted, but that topic belongs in another discussion. Koinos Jul 2015 #78

I disagree. Deadshot Jul 2015 #80

I refer you to the thread topic. Koinos Jul 2015 #85

Do the people in this thread know the difference between a business and nonprofit? LittleBlue Jul 2015 #77

But generally speaking, such foundations whatthehey Jul 2015 #81

To answer your question LittleBlue Jul 2015 #90

Many thanks to you for stating this so clearly. Koinos Jul 2015 #83

oh please DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #82

There are many ways to view the same thing. Koinos Jul 2015 #84

The Predators call out the Aliens, wasn't that a movie or something? nolabels Jul 2015 #86

Except the pope has no power over rational people in the US Fearless Jul 2015 #87

Education... Koinos Jul 2015 #91

Capitalism isn't evil. Unrestricted power is. Fearless Jul 2015 #97

I think that "unregulated capitalism" is the real evil. Koinos Jul 2015 #99

Agreed, it is power amassed in the hands of the wealthy Fearless Jul 2015 #100

And the most powerful have made themselves subject to no rules. Koinos Jul 2015 #101

Which is basically what makes up human civilization The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #141

I fundamentally agree. Fearless Jul 2015 #147

This Pope's statements ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #89

So true. Koinos Jul 2015 #92

No, actually it won't do that. MineralMan Jul 2015 #93

Good to see you, Mineral Man! Koinos Jul 2015 #96

People of the world rise up! WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #94

That about sums it up, When Crabs Roar. Koinos Jul 2015 #98

This is the biggest crock of shit I have heard in a long, long time. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #102

Historically most revolutions are started and pushed by just WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #109

I like your "can do" attitude. What have we got to lose? Koinos Jul 2015 #111

Historically, most revolutions end in blood and terror. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #121

This revolution needs to be a nonviolent one, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2015 #124

I know them. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #127

Have you read the encyclical? Koinos Jul 2015 #110

Thank you. Righteous rant. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #139

It's obvious that most of his commments about the environment, about the Poor, sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #104

So then when he rails against the rights of LGBT and reproductive justice, who is that 'aimed at'? Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #137

That's rich, coming from the First Estate. nt DawgHouse Jul 2015 #108

Yeah, I don't notice the Vatican giving away all that gold that's in their basement. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #113

The Pope is after converts to his religion Helen Borg Jul 2015 #114

These are the exact same views that pope quitter had Lordquinton Jul 2015 #116

Don't forget to send a letter to Speaker Boehner thanking him for inviting Francis to speak to Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #140

In what parallel universe is that even possible? Jamastiene Jul 2015 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author randome Jul 2015 #152

I love how the OWS moment STILL pisses off the D.C jet set! Fuck em! Rex Jul 2015 #156