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Smarmie Doofus

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1. Ok. Fine . I like Nader. But there can be no reasonable doubt that....

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:35 AM

Jul 2015

... given an honest count ( which of course was unavailable) that - in an election where there was a gap or fewer than a thousand votes between Bush and Gore - Gore would easily have taken the vast majority of the 90,000 plus Nader votes ( Yes I understand a portion of which would have not voted at all were Nader not on the ballot.) and thereby carried FLA by a relatively comfortable margin.

Again: Nader's an OK guy; but let's be honest before we start to pretend.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Corruption Inc Jul 2015 OP

Ok. Fine . I like Nader. But there can be no reasonable doubt that.... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #1

Great guy, stupid tactics. DLnyc Jul 2015 #6

let's be honest: SCOTUS stopped the recount noiretextatique Jul 2015 #12

But it didn't matter... brooklynite Jul 2015 #46

right... noiretextatique Jul 2015 #55

Both of these statements can be true: Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #69

yet only one of them can exist in a democracy noiretextatique Jul 2015 #71

Still with that myth. TM99 Jul 2015 #59

Are you sure it wasn't the hanging chads madokie Jul 2015 #66

I only hope Trump leaves the GOP and does the same thing this election. tecelote Jul 2015 #60

Nader has done wonderful things for the people of this country... haikugal Jul 2015 #2

+1 840high Jul 2015 #93

If he had urged his supporters to vote for Al Gore, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #3

If Gore urged his supporters to vote for Nader, we might not have had Bush Taitertots Jul 2015 #40

That's just a silly retort--one not based in reality. nt TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #103

You're promoting a perennial third party candidate and a third party itself at DU? onehandle Jul 2015 #4

Yes, he did ann--- Jul 2015 #5

Even so the Supreme Court had to commit a crime rock Jul 2015 #7

It would not have gone ann--- Jul 2015 #17

So now, don't you see, that you're arguing rock Jul 2015 #19

No, it was Nader's ann--- Jul 2015 #25

OK rock Jul 2015 #29

some people still cling to this fantasy noiretextatique Jul 2015 #58

Nader was the reason Gore didn't become president Democat Jul 2015 #61

Exactly ann--- Jul 2015 #64

Yup. Mr. Ego can share tavernier Jul 2015 #86

No thank you. We've not gotten over his boneheaded 2000 run . . . brush Jul 2015 #8

i think nader is a self important jerk who did cause Gore to lose samsingh Jul 2015 #9

Shouldn't this be over on 3rdPartyUnderground? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #10

Nader killed the Covair in the press, a car I liked Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #11

I drove a red 1960 Corvair for about a year. MineralMan Jul 2015 #20

Have you read "unsafe at any speed"? Taitertots Jul 2015 #41

Yes, I've read it. I've ready other studies, too. MineralMan Jul 2015 #45

So you must have seen the obvious design defect Taitertots Jul 2015 #48

I know exactly what the design problem was. MineralMan Jul 2015 #50

"especially vulnerable" Major Nikon Jul 2015 #63

Thanks for posting that NHTSA info. I would have, but MineralMan Jul 2015 #70

Let's hear it for the Iraq War, Roberts & Alito, Scooter Libby, no WMD's, ignored PDB's Renew Deal Jul 2015 #13

you forgot about SCOTUS noiretextatique Jul 2015 #73

You're right. Nader made the theft possible. Renew Deal Jul 2015 #79

scotus was the thief noiretextatique Jul 2015 #81

Those who don't want third party spoilers should push more for instant runoff voting... cascadiance Jul 2015 #14

Nader gave Bush the election Gothmog Jul 2015 #15

People voting for Bush "gave" the election to Bush Taitertots Jul 2015 #42

Ralph Nader Was Indispensable To The Republican Party Gothmog Jul 2015 #43

Nader got 100,000 votes in a state with millions of potential voters Taitertots Jul 2015 #44

thank you for your tireless efforts noiretextatique Jul 2015 #16

Fuck that piece of shit taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #18

ditto El Supremo Jul 2015 #78

Lots of things contributed to Gore's "loss". I'm not cheering for any of them Orangepeel Jul 2015 #21

Yeah, no. Fuck that guy. n/t Godhumor Jul 2015 #22

Fuck Nader. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #23

Nader was a KEY factor in the loss of Florida. He got 95,000 votes there pnwmom Jul 2015 #24

and the recount stopped by SCOTUS noiretextatique Jul 2015 #72

It wouldn't have gone to SCOTUS if Nader hadn't been the spoiler on the ballot. pnwmom Jul 2015 #92

funny how they can blame Nader, yet ignore Gore's choice of Neocon Lieberman for VP HFRN Jul 2015 #26

rewriting history don't make it so.. Peacetrain Jul 2015 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #39

The greatest irony of terrorism, is that the most likely attack you'd ever get HFRN Jul 2015 #28

Nader was a liar in 2000. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #30

I may be ignorant ut I am not stupid, I remember the vote count hollysmom Jul 2015 #31

kudos for the environment and a brick bat for the election oldandhappy Jul 2015 #32

citizens united lancer78 Jul 2015 #33

*** Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #34

Yup... SidDithers Jul 2015 #37

Fuck Ralph Nader... SidDithers Jul 2015 #35

...and the horse he rode in on Major Nikon Jul 2015 #62

Nader is a petty dictator, viciously anti-union, andd worse. Archae Jul 2015 #36

His insistence that both parties... Mona Jul 2015 #38

BBRRAAPP!! hobbit709 Jul 2015 #47

You'll have to excuse the fake outrage, the usual suspects cannot come up Rex Jul 2015 #49

This shit again. joshcryer Jul 2015 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #53

The SCOTUS is completely at fault! THEY stopped the counting! napi21 Jul 2015 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #54

+1000 SCOTUS is the culprit noiretextatique Jul 2015 #65

Will I live to see the end of people bickering about Nader? LiberalElite Jul 2015 #56

What about NH? Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #57

Fuck that little POS narcissist tabasco Jul 2015 #67

Hey Ralph! Fuck off you egomanianc! nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #68

All Nader's Fault...let's Stone Him...when the facts are against any of that............. KoKo Jul 2015 #91

Suuuureee. Nader being there had no effect. And then you wake up. Adrahil Jul 2015 #94

I thank him for my seat belt malaise Jul 2015 #74

blaming nader for bush is like blaming the fly on the elephant's ass noiretextatique Jul 2015 #75

DAMN RIGHT! elleng Jul 2015 #76

I used to respect him Skittles Jul 2015 #77

Okay...but what did Nader do BEFORE what You think he did which is the RW View... KoKo Jul 2015 #80

YES I KNOW WHAT HE DID Skittles Jul 2015 #82

His Ego helped to install Bush into the WH? KoKo Jul 2015 #88

If Nader ann--- Jul 2015 #85

I guess Gore wasnt good enough to get his own base to vote for him GummyBearz Jul 2015 #87

He's not ann--- Jul 2015 #98

scotus created a one-time only bush-specific law noiretextatique Jul 2015 #83

I KNOW NADER WAS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR Skittles Jul 2015 #84

You want to blame it on Nader and Ignore the Corrupted Fla Voting Machines, KoKo Jul 2015 #90

OMFG Skittles Jul 2015 #96

YES! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jul 2015 #89

More Nader Denialism. Still trying to justify redstateblues Jul 2015 #95

Fuc that pompous turd waffle. n/t Maru Kitteh Jul 2015 #97

Americans aren't interested in democracy. CanSocDem Jul 2015 #99

Why has Crusader Rabbit Nader never run for any other office? mac56 Jul 2015 #100

"He doesn't give a rip-roaring shit about public service." ???? CanSocDem Jul 2015 #101

Are you suggesting that NONE of them do? mac56 Jul 2015 #102

Look around.... CanSocDem Jul 2015 #104

"You're already "exceptional", right?" mac56 Jul 2015 #105

Pardon my tone. CanSocDem Jul 2015 #106

Not pardoned. mac56 Jul 2015 #107

remember who voted and worked for Nader not Nader himself olddots Jul 2015 #108