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6. Stalking and attacking someone, then shooting him because you were losing? That's a lousy defense.

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The moment we've all been waiting for - pics of Zimmermans head wounds [View all] -..__... May 2012 OP

Well for some people even a birth certificate isn't enough. dkf May 2012 #1

wtf? maddezmom May 2012 #55

Are you saying Trayvon Martin, who was minding his own business, is not dead? sabrina 1 May 2012 #113

Apparently malaise May 2012 #134

This is about acknowledging that Zimmerman was injured in an incident with Martin. dkf May 2012 #203

Zimmerman's injuries - are they in the shape of bullet holes? Capt. Obvious May 2012 #215

No. But they exist contrary to many assertions that they were faked. dkf May 2012 #222

I never denied his injuries, I was just sorry he wasn't incapacitated being that he was sabrina 1 May 2012 #219

The injuries say to me that Martin was on the top with Zimmerman on the bottom screaming. dkf May 2012 #223

You've obviously never witnessed a fight. There is no proof that either one was on top sabrina 1 May 2012 #224

Zimmerman couldn't "retreat"? That's fuckin' rich since he is the one who was the threat Blue_Tires May 2012 #226

But but mactime May 2012 #2

Or Aerows May 2012 #92

my kid fell headfirst into a blackberry bush and looked worse than that Viva_La_Revolution May 2012 #3

hoookay. and this proves what exactly? dionysus May 2012 #4

That there was a struggle between the two. -..__... May 2012 #17

all it proves is their was a struggle. it doesnt prove who started what. dionysus May 2012 #23

and I see no evidence of a "broken nose" as they have claimed. Javaman May 2012 #87

me neither. dionysus May 2012 #229

... and it doesn't prove WHO caused those injuries, or WHEN. Myrina May 2012 #143

I see your not here to make buddies on DU on this topic Life Long Dem May 2012 #115

Oh Gosh Poor Poor You HangOnKids May 2012 #175

FFS nobody here has violated any of Zimmerman's goddamned rights Blue_Tires May 2012 #196

cool...now go dig up Martin's injuries and see how much of Zimmerman's account is disproved Blue_Tires May 2012 #121

Trayvon Martin stood his ground but the stalker with a gun still murdered him. aquart May 2012 #139

yep etherealtruth May 2012 #181

What it proves is that Trayvon Martin was facing a threat to his life, which he correctly sabrina 1 May 2012 #168

That shouldn't have taken place had Zimmerman kept his ass in the car and called police. CakeGrrl May 2012 #171

Zimmerman Engaged Martin Yavin4 May 2012 #5

That's news to me mactime May 2012 #9

I think the 911 tape disputes this maddezmom May 2012 #11

You aren't wrong. GoCubsGo May 2012 #26

That was the 911 dispatcher who has no authority in this matter. dkf May 2012 #29

that is not the point. maddezmom May 2012 #48

Exactly. GoCubsGo May 2012 #54

So, that makes it okay? GoCubsGo May 2012 #52

Wasn't GZ in violation of neighborhood watch rules? LiberalFighter May 2012 #70

Yes, and he wasn't suppose to carry a gun. Blue_Roses May 2012 #78

I'll just reuse this Capt. Obvious May 2012 #216

weird isn't it maddezmom May 2012 #47

He drove his car into the middle of a vehicle inaccessible courtyard? alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #16

the murder site jambo101 May 2012 #37

Well, your understanding is totally and utterly wrong. EOTE May 2012 #42

Yep! Didn't the 911 operator asked about that because he was breathing heavy? LiberalFighter May 2012 #74

He asked about it before, I believe. EOTE May 2012 #96

It's not news Aerows May 2012 #99

your understanding is incorrect. magical thyme May 2012 #105

that's what happens when fox is you main "news" source NatBurner May 2012 #106

would you mind clarifying WHERE you heard that? BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #114

Amazingly, Zimmerman could have then DRIVEN AWAY. aquart May 2012 #141

Stop watching Fox "News" Doctor_J May 2012 #209

Stalking and attacking someone, then shooting him because you were losing? That's a lousy defense. Scuba May 2012 #6

+1 ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #8

Young black males are not allowed to be scared of creepy stalkers in darkened courtyards alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #20

What evidence is there that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon? True Earthling May 2012 #41

Trayvons screams for help uponit7771 May 2012 #60

Taryvon's father initially denied it was Trayvon's screams True Earthling May 2012 #77

there is no evidence to prove Martin attacked zimmerman noiretextatique May 2012 #83

Trayvon's girlfriend described Trayvon being chased True Earthling May 2012 #112

Wrong. "It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say" uppityperson May 2012 #177

I have no idea what GZ was thinking. Prosecutors are preparing evidence, not me. Scuba May 2012 #66

Uhm, Trayvon's dead body isn't enough evidence? Jamastiene May 2012 #172

+1, it was officialy stalking too uponit7771 May 2012 #59

Has Zimmerman been charged with that? ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #104

Nope sylvi May 2012 #194

So if JustAnotherGen May 2012 #7

If you are willing to risk getting shot, or arrested, you can do that to anyone at any time. slackmaster May 2012 #15

So JustAnotherGen May 2012 #40

Those ones from the back are old pictures. Starry Messenger May 2012 #10

agree maddezmom May 2012 #53

Oh, I could say why, but it would get my post hidden. Starry Messenger May 2012 #116

Nobody was paid to beat Zimmerman. Zimmerman's dad did it for free. slackmaster May 2012 #12

ok 2pooped2pop May 2012 #88

Good Post - well thought out. alittlelark May 2012 #185

thanks 2pooped2pop May 2012 #186

i read the article, and there is NO mention of WHEN these pictures were taken or who took them noiretextatique May 2012 #13

Clearly the provenance is important ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #80

And this means that Trayvon deserved to be killed by this man. Thank you Apologist. n/t vaberella May 2012 #14

I know. It's gotten to the point where I can't even stand to open these threads anymore. marmar May 2012 #18

Me too Blue_Tires May 2012 #201

'Deserved' has nothing to do with this, legally speaking. n/t cigsandcoffee May 2012 #21

Does "justified" make you feel better then?n/t vaberella May 2012 #45

We can at least say he never 'deserved' to be followed, "legally speaking" Blue_Tires May 2012 #192

some people love guns too much, don't they? dionysus May 2012 #24

Why does it mean that? Union Scribe May 2012 #28

Hardly the case. vaberella May 2012 #44

now we have the legal eagles noiretextatique May 2012 #89

Here's a pic supposedly taken just after the time of the alleged fight.. Fumesucker May 2012 #19

"YOU" would expect"... some of Martin's blood to be on Zimmerman's jacket.. -..__... May 2012 #34

So in your view who was on top during this struggle, Zimmerman or Martin? Fumesucker May 2012 #38

Why ask me? -..__... May 2012 #50

It's not an unreasonable extrapolation from your OP that you have formed an opinion.. Fumesucker May 2012 #57

So why did you even post this in the first place with the snark? Blue_Tires May 2012 #86

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #187

Which couldn't have been done in the 20 other threads...got it Blue_Tires May 2012 #191

20 other threads... is it that many? -..__... May 2012 #200

My mistake, then Blue_Tires May 2012 #202

I'll make an entry in my daily planner. -..__... May 2012 #205

Oh, Yeah. As If You Haven't Formed An Opinion On This Matter. Paladin May 2012 #100

you're not a forensics expert either, however I can only imagine you play one on television... LanternWaste May 2012 #51

Give me your honest opinion. -..__... May 2012 #56

why would anyone give you an opinion on anything when you won't when asked maddezmom May 2012 #79

My honest opinion is that... LanternWaste May 2012 #123

Give me your honest opinion. Blue_Tires May 2012 #206

You might be on to something there. -..__... May 2012 #210

You forgot the confederate flag... Blue_Tires May 2012 #213

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #217

i caught jury duty for this SwampG8r May 2012 #221

Interesting that this didn't show in the BlueToTheBone May 2012 #22

The kid was defending his life against an armed thug. 6000eliot May 2012 #25

At what point in the confrontation do you believe Trayvon realized that Zimmerman was armed? slackmaster May 2012 #27

Probably when he was SHOT DEAD! 6000eliot May 2012 #31

So, before he was shot he didn't know that he was engaging an armed person slackmaster May 2012 #33

Streetwise jambo101 May 2012 #46

"streetwise"????? ljm2002 May 2012 #58

Because he lived in FL... -..__... May 2012 #184

what makes you think he was "streetwise" noiretextatique May 2012 #85

It doesn't matter, the stalking was the aggression PERIOD uponit7771 May 2012 #61

So if I am being harassed/stalked in public I have the right to attempt to punch out my attacker ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #93

If I'm minding my own business while walking home at night and not doing anything illegal Downtown Hound May 2012 #129

Right to a point ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #147

Well, again, even if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing MMA punches Downtown Hound May 2012 #153

That is one of many possible scenarios ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #154

How do you know Zimmerman didn't try and physically stop Trayvon Downtown Hound May 2012 #165

We are both right...lots of unknowns ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #174

I have a feeling that's EXACTLY how it went down. LAGC May 2012 #225

Probably well after Zimmerman concluded that Martin was a criminal. JoePhilly May 2012 #157

Unlikely he knew Zimmerman was armed mactime May 2012 #30

Who are these people who are defending this thug? 6000eliot May 2012 #32

Almost exclusively? Ikonoklast May 2012 #101

Talk about assumptions... ljm2002 May 2012 #67

Indeed we do not know who escalated it to a physical confrontation ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #90

At the same point you can shoot him... Fumesucker May 2012 #124

That is not the legal standard ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #126

I can imagine any number of reasons Martin would be fearful of injury.. Fumesucker May 2012 #130

There is little to support your assertions ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #146

Poor kid lost three inches dpibel May 2012 #228

You are full of it! mazzarro May 2012 #107

And why, pray-tell, do you assume that Trayvon assault Zimmerman? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #151

That makes no sense. Zimmerman could not have defended himself janx May 2012 #218

This is the first thing I've ever posted in a Trayvon thread. Zorra May 2012 #35

THAT'S a broken nose? Pathwalker May 2012 #36

wait, he supposedly had 2 black eyes too..... his eyes look fine IcyPeas May 2012 #39

The last time I broke my nose, there was almost no external bleeding. The black eyes took about two slackmaster May 2012 #43

Then where's a picture taken about two days later? If your broken nose had "almost no bleeding," jenmito May 2012 #63

Yes, the fact that we haven't seen a picture from two days later PROVES without any doubt... slackmaster May 2012 #69

If he SAID Trayvon gave him 2 black eyes and a broken nose and swollen lips but the pictures show jenmito May 2012 #71

More pictures seem to appear every day slackmaster May 2012 #73

The fact is there are no black eyes. Zimmerman said he had 2 black eyes, a broken nose, and jenmito May 2012 #75

My point is that WE ARE BEING PLAYED. slackmaster May 2012 #108

So you don't believe he had a broken nose, etc. (like I don't believe?) If so, I didn't know you jenmito May 2012 #109

I don't know whether he had a broken nose or not. That will all come out in the trial... slackmaster May 2012 #110

You're right-both stories can't be true- jenmito May 2012 #117

I think you're right (being played). and it's creepy. HiPointDem May 2012 #161

Now now... Rex May 2012 #133

He looks alive to me. WilliamPitt May 2012 #49

Where's the supposed broken nose (no blood?) and supposed swollen lips (no blood?)? One small jenmito May 2012 #62

Oh yes. It must be real. And only, what, three months later...... wandy May 2012 #64

these pictures prove that trayvon martin feared for HIS life. spanone May 2012 #65

please delete DetlefK May 2012 #68

GREAT CATCH uponit7771 May 2012 #72

Sorry, my bad. On a closer look I was wrong. DetlefK May 2012 #76

the paramedics on the scene noiretextatique May 2012 #91

Has the paramedic report been released? He did decline treatment. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #95

there is a statement from the paramedics noiretextatique May 2012 #102

I don't care if you have a picture of Zimmerman's head being reattached to his neck EFerrari May 2012 #81

I have more bleeding when I shave my legs vanlassie May 2012 #82

I would humbly suggest you are doing it wrong then... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #183

LOL vanlassie May 2012 #188

I'll be the first to say he's still guilty Blue_Tires May 2012 #84

Hey is this as reliable as your Stormfront sourced fake photo of Trayvon Martin? CreekDog May 2012 #94

This is from AP, presumptively the rest of the media will be/are carrying it ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #97

Oh, god I'd completely forgotten about that gem Blue_Tires May 2012 #103

That was a good one... wudn't it? -..__... May 2012 #182

Look, I don't know why you dont' like us or our ideas, maybe because we are liberals CreekDog May 2012 #190

Uhmmm... reread the thread. -..__... May 2012 #199

If he started the confrontation, he's got a lot of ground to make up krispos42 May 2012 #98

So where are the alleged black eyes? Bake May 2012 #111

I'll bet you a beer that at least one photo of Zimmerman with black eyes will come out slackmaster May 2012 #119

I'm glad Trayvon put up a fight, as he was entitled to. librechik May 2012 #118

The police didn't order Zimmerman to do or not do anything slackmaster May 2012 #120

Yes indeed they did--he mentioned he was about to pursue, they said don't librechik May 2012 #125

911 operators have no authority ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #128

to Zimmerman, (Not a police officer) it was not a mandate librechik May 2012 #142

It is not recognized as such legally ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #148

That was not what would be referred to as a "lawful order" from a law enforcement officer. slackmaster May 2012 #162

911 operator suggestions are not the same as police orders ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #127

I disagree--that person is the public, official voice of the police. librechik May 2012 #131

Dispatchers can testify because they are experts in what they do, and sometimes have to answer... slackmaster May 2012 #135

Is the dispatcher paid by the police? If the dispatcher does something against police policy librechik May 2012 #137

Well I just spoke to one here in SoCal ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #155

Is the person who empties the trash cans at the police station also a "police official?" slackmaster May 2012 #163

no, according to FL law, administrator and support personnel are distinct librechik May 2012 #166

Thanks for the clarification. I still say that except under very specific circumstances, a PSO... slackmaster May 2012 #179

They are not the official voice of the police in any way ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #136

prove it librechik May 2012 #144

Are you serious saying that 911 operators have LEO authority? ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #150

What does the law actually say about obeying 911 operators? hack89 May 2012 #138

A couple of quick google searches turned up the following from somewhat reasonable ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #152

you should definitely refrain from citing news busters. librechik May 2012 #167

I missed the newsbusters URL...focused on the ABC Legal Analyst in the title ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #176

Wow. Look at that. Chorophyll May 2012 #122

No you've been waiting for this moment. Rex May 2012 #132

Here are some earlier threads of theirs. I think I see a pattern. Electric Monk May 2012 #208

...does that black/orange jacket match Myrina May 2012 #140

How many more constantly different head wounds will you show us? RedCloud May 2012 #145

Presuming the pictures are valid, its data that should be considered ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #158

enough to make you and I think that Zimmerman is innocent --that's what ...___.. wants, clearly... CreekDog May 2012 #164

"Trayvon Martin's death properly and some sort of justice or process."... -..__... May 2012 #189

Funny you mention that Blue_Tires May 2012 #193

Times have changed... -..__... May 2012 #207

Please spare me the 'lynch mob' hyperbole Blue_Tires May 2012 #212

Then why did you post a fake photo of Trayvon Martin --then don't claim moral high ground CreekDog May 2012 #197

Forget the pictures. This ONE sentence from the police dept. is all you have to know: jenmito May 2012 #149

Its been clear for quite some time that Zimmerman bears the moral responsibility for this ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #156

I think you are about right. JoePhilly May 2012 #159

The story you tell might be true-- Vattel May 2012 #211

And sadly, we'll only get to hear one side of the story. JoePhilly May 2012 #227

I think he'll get manslaugher. jenmito May 2012 #160

Yes, it does. Jamastiene May 2012 #170

Exactly. n/t jenmito May 2012 #178

I agree with that opinion slackmaster May 2012 #180

I've gotten more and worse cuts than that doing yard work. Jamastiene May 2012 #169

Please note the second to last page of discovery here: janx May 2012 #173

Are you shitting me? Arkana May 2012 #195

He picked a fight with a teenager Marrah_G May 2012 #198

those scratches are worth the life of a kid? Whisp May 2012 #204

And who will be the first to say this excuses murder? morningfog May 2012 #214

I have no problem waiting for the trial Zanzoobar May 2012 #220