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6. It's very clear that Martin's blackness is what allows people here and elsewhere

Reply to obamanut2012 (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:49 AM

May 2012

Not to see Zimmerman as the creepy stalker and Martin as the scared person in the dark defending himself.

Your post lays this bare.

Why is Martin not allowed to be terrified by some weirdo cruising him? Because he's young, black, and male. Period. And young black males, for far too many people - even supposed "progressives" on a board like this - don't get scared, but rather are scary. This is why Martin can't be terrified of weirdo stalker Zimmerman in the darkened courtyard, but Zimmerman is "in fear of his life" at the slightest hint of resistance. This is why Martin is suddenly 6'1, 6,'2, 6'3, a fucking black menacing giant, with gold teeth, pants hanging, blazing a Philly, pimp-limpin' around, backpack full of granny's wedding rings, while weirdo stalker Zimmerman is calmly getting to the bottom of things.

The racism - yes, outright racism - I've seen on even this board, by longtime DUers, has been astounding. Astounding. It makes my heart sick.

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Why did this girl cause her own murder? [View all] obamanut2012 May 2012 OP

k&r Starry Messenger May 2012 #1

Thanks obamanut2012 May 2012 #2

+1 (nt) enough May 2012 #3

obamanut JustAnotherGen May 2012 #4

Thanks so very much obamanut2012 May 2012 #8

Lots of "if" and "maybe" in there... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #85

You mean you think she stalked him and forced him to shoot her in self defense? lunatica May 2012 #118

+1 obamanut2012 May 2012 #120

The most important part is where.. Cave_Johnson May 2012 #123

So if she's on top of him beating him into a coma he has the lunatica May 2012 #126

Not sure where his was.. Cave_Johnson May 2012 #127

But if someone is on top of you banging your head into the cement lunatica May 2012 #128

What would have happened if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck? sabrina 1 May 2012 #137

It doesn't matter... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #138

So you equate someone going innocently about their business, leaving their home to go to work, or to sabrina 1 May 2012 #141

I think you understand the legal point... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #143

Changing the context of what I said doesn't change the context. sabrina 1 May 2012 #147

George Zimmerman is an ordinary citizen... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #148

It is not legal to stalk and harass someone. sabrina 1 May 2012 #150

You're totally wrong. It does matter. bupkus May 2012 #144

You are the only one talking about race... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #149

It is not legal to follow and harass someone obamanut2012 May 2012 #151

This sounds oddly familiar. nt onehandle May 2012 #5

It's very clear that Martin's blackness is what allows people here and elsewhere alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #6

+1000 Starry Messenger May 2012 #9

You would think... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #43

I keep a mental list. Starry Messenger May 2012 #61

I've wondered about the jury system Iris May 2012 #103

This is reminiscent of the time a Japanese exchange student in a Halloween costume Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #12

EXCELLENT POST!!!!! obamanut2012 May 2012 #28

Have you noticed chervilant May 2012 #38

Great OP and great response malaise May 2012 #64

Yes, everyone knows that "black youth"--even those who watch TV with their families, have a sweet MADem May 2012 #69

My God, I never heard that about the child being reported obamanut2012 May 2012 #74

you got it CreekDog May 2012 #76

"The racism - yes, outright racism - I've seen on even this board, by longtime DUers, Number23 May 2012 #96

yup, i said this many times, change race and people would never defend this JI7 May 2012 #98

+ another 1000 Iris May 2012 #102

Exactly. Anyone remember Bernard Goetz? Nine May 2012 #111

It is not about applauding, it is about looking at the facts without idological filters gejohnston May 2012 #129

K&R -- Thank you. Raine1967 May 2012 #7

you know pisses me off most about this (this being the first time hearing this story)... Volaris May 2012 #10

It was a DAMN GOOD two cents! BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #18

My sister and I have kind of joked JustAnotherGen May 2012 #19

+1 obamanut2012 May 2012 #25

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #112

Another way to look at this is to think of justice as a way to encourage and JDPriestly May 2012 #70

Volaris, there is no 17-year-old girl vicitm who was slut-shamed. tblue37 May 2012 #84

These things don't establish that it was OK to shoot. What they do... TheMadMonk May 2012 #105

Hello! usaprogress May 2012 #113

so lets play this game belcffub May 2012 #11

But given the context, the only way your narrative would fit is if Mike lived in the neighborhood ET Awful May 2012 #13

correction: beac May 2012 #80

You probably should usaprogress May 2012 #132

He may have called what he was doing "neighborhood watch" beac May 2012 #133

But that wasn't what Zimmerman was doing JustAnotherGen May 2012 #16

I did not see zimmerman mention in the OP's story... belcffub May 2012 #31

False equivalency. yellerpup May 2012 #17

I was not fitting it into zimmerman belcffub May 2012 #26

Then what were you doing? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #53

doing the same thing the OP did belcffub May 2012 #56

The OP simply switched out the race and gender aspects of the actual case. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #60

Thank you, Tommy obamanut2012 May 2012 #75

thanks JustAnotherGen May 2012 #42

My pleasure. yellerpup May 2012 #44

well, all except for the " strange part of town" and the "looking to buy a sewing machine" and ... ret5hd May 2012 #20

I'm sorry you feel murdering someone is a game obamanut2012 May 2012 #21

I was only performing the same act that your OP did... belcffub May 2012 #33

What you did is obvious. Why you feel that way, not so much. Hoyt May 2012 #116

Just proved the OP's point Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #24

IMHO, this case hinges on Zimmerman's "hobby". Old and In the Way May 2012 #47

lulz. Starry Messenger May 2012 #27

No, it doesn't Aerows May 2012 #29

the OP says nothing about the man harassing the girl first belcffub May 2012 #32

Way to miss the point Aerows May 2012 #40

You figured that out too? JustAnotherGen May 2012 #45

I got the point... belcffub May 2012 #46

Right, you missed the point obamanut2012 May 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author belcffub May 2012 #58

actually indigoth May 2012 #65

But if you are lost, you avoid going behind houses. You try to stay on the street JDPriestly May 2012 #72

Looking for a house number that you got from Craig's list is very different from JDPriestly May 2012 #71

You people always think the person that dies is at fault and the person with the gun is god. rhett o rick May 2012 #109

Exactly. The last line is a classic. Hoyt May 2012 #117

Bullseye, rhett o rick. Very well put..... (n/t) Paladin May 2012 #119

maybe...maybe...maybe... All the operative facts are shrouded in "maybe". nt Romulox May 2012 #14

WWF!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #15

I never said she was white obamanut2012 May 2012 #23

"while" not "white" ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #34

OOPS! obamanut2012 May 2012 #35

I do too. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #36

How much of that has to do... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #49

Agreed. I keep posting about a pretty black girl being executed in front of a relative's house. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #50

I went over... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #52

I posted and kicked, too. n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #54

I now JUST read the thread obamanut2012 May 2012 #115

we do tend to go there as our default setting, don't we? BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #41

True in general. Although believe it or not, sometimes it is the woman who is the abuser. JDPriestly May 2012 #73

that's true BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #93

BlancheSplanchnik, there is no 17-year-old girl vicitm who was slut-shamed. tblue37 May 2012 #86

yes I know. BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #90

Hope you get the final screen script written befor Zimmerman's people do...... wandy May 2012 #22

Emphatic K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #30

Well done, but you need to let the haters know what color she is - TBF May 2012 #37

WWF BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #55

That too. nt TBF May 2012 #63

Thanks for pointing out... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #39

If there is a hell, I hope they reserve a special place for that %^%^&er zzaapp May 2012 #51

K&R (n/t) a2liberal May 2012 #57

Excellent. K&R n/t myrna minx May 2012 #59

Very good analogy to the Iraq Invasion. RagAss May 2012 #62

so true too lunasun May 2012 #136

Self-appointed neighborhood watch captain. jtuck004 May 2012 #66

And then there is the black woman who got 20 years with no chance of parole. airplaneman May 2012 #67

She fired in teh direction of two children. vaberella May 2012 #78

Are you f'n serious. She got 20 f'n years because she was black. Rationalize it anyway you want rhett o rick May 2012 #110

No, it was because of Florida's manditory sentencing law. gejohnston May 2012 #130

She was "standing her ground" but for some reason, that law didnt apply to her. rhett o rick May 2012 #135

I don't know what the judge's logic was. gejohnston May 2012 #139

I agree that Zimmerman's case isnt SYG, but isnt he going to get a SYG hearing? rhett o rick May 2012 #142

true he could gejohnston May 2012 #145

brilliant Blue_Tires May 2012 #68

Ha -- BRILLIANT addition! obamanut2012 May 2012 #77

well done BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #94

I wish I could rec a response. Starry Messenger May 2012 #114

this is something new. Blame the victim as usual. Polls after polls show people want medical southernyankeebelle May 2012 #79

There is no 17-year-old girl vicitm who was slut-shamed. tblue37 May 2012 #88

Well as I was reading this I was thinking of Trayon and the pot. That was why I made the comment. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #92

mhh... maria2 May 2012 #81

k n r yardwork May 2012 #82

You didn't state whether she was black or white. It makes a difference, you know. nt Flatulo May 2012 #83

I didn't mention it on purpose obamanut2012 May 2012 #89

Exactly. It reminds me of "A Time To Kill" CakeGrrl May 2012 #100

Well done! nt gateley May 2012 #87

Thank you obamanut2012 May 2012 #91

You present this in such a way that anyone who reads SHOULD be able to see gateley May 2012 #107

Thank you. uppityperson May 2012 #95

It was my pleasure obamanut2012 May 2012 #99

K&R Thanks! SaveOurDemocracy May 2012 #97

brilliant post riverwalker May 2012 #101

Excellent post! Thanks for it. K&R nt frogmarch May 2012 #104

I am not sure that it's all racism Doctor_J May 2012 #106

Basically agree about "gunsters." But, SYG laws are written with shooting minorities in mind. Hoyt May 2012 #122

The SYG laws will certainly be used more by whites against minorities Doctor_J May 2012 #125

since when did MSM join the defense team? gejohnston May 2012 #131

It's obvious isn't it? She had the tenacity to walk freely justiceischeap May 2012 #108

Thanks JIC! obamanut2012 May 2012 #121

Busy, busy, busy! justiceischeap May 2012 #124

saying that Zimmerman was justified in his shooting... NutmegYankee May 2012 #134

Who is backing Zimmerman? gejohnston May 2012 #140

How can you claim to be backing the truth? bupkus May 2012 #146

Excellent analogy obamanut2012 May 2012 #152