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MineralMan

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20. I drove a red 1960 Corvair for about a year.

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:28 PM

Jul 2015

Since I drive quite sanely, no handling problems ever occurred. By the time Nader's book came out, the Corvair had been redesigned to prevent the problem when the car was driven more aggressively than it was designed to be. It was a shame that an innovative American car met the untimely end it had.

The rear-engine air-cooled design was innovative and fresh. A pity that was the end of that experiment. Driven in a normal way, the 60-63 Corvair was just fine. If you pushed it to its limit, it responded in a way American drivers, used to front-engine vehicles, didn't expect. But you really had to push the car beyond reason to reach that point. Same thing happened with the VW Bug and several Porsche models, too.

I hate that Nader spiked that innovation from GM. And all for a little bit of money...and it's a beautiful day...

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Corruption Inc Jul 2015 OP

Ok. Fine . I like Nader. But there can be no reasonable doubt that.... Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #1

Great guy, stupid tactics. DLnyc Jul 2015 #6

let's be honest: SCOTUS stopped the recount noiretextatique Jul 2015 #12

But it didn't matter... brooklynite Jul 2015 #46

right... noiretextatique Jul 2015 #55

Both of these statements can be true: Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #69

yet only one of them can exist in a democracy noiretextatique Jul 2015 #71

Still with that myth. TM99 Jul 2015 #59

Are you sure it wasn't the hanging chads madokie Jul 2015 #66

I only hope Trump leaves the GOP and does the same thing this election. tecelote Jul 2015 #60

Nader has done wonderful things for the people of this country... haikugal Jul 2015 #2

+1 840high Jul 2015 #93

If he had urged his supporters to vote for Al Gore, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #3

If Gore urged his supporters to vote for Nader, we might not have had Bush Taitertots Jul 2015 #40

That's just a silly retort--one not based in reality. nt TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #103

You're promoting a perennial third party candidate and a third party itself at DU? onehandle Jul 2015 #4

Yes, he did ann--- Jul 2015 #5

Even so the Supreme Court had to commit a crime rock Jul 2015 #7

It would not have gone ann--- Jul 2015 #17

So now, don't you see, that you're arguing rock Jul 2015 #19

No, it was Nader's ann--- Jul 2015 #25

OK rock Jul 2015 #29

some people still cling to this fantasy noiretextatique Jul 2015 #58

Nader was the reason Gore didn't become president Democat Jul 2015 #61

Exactly ann--- Jul 2015 #64

Yup. Mr. Ego can share tavernier Jul 2015 #86

No thank you. We've not gotten over his boneheaded 2000 run . . . brush Jul 2015 #8

i think nader is a self important jerk who did cause Gore to lose samsingh Jul 2015 #9

Shouldn't this be over on 3rdPartyUnderground? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #10

Nader killed the Covair in the press, a car I liked Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #11

I drove a red 1960 Corvair for about a year. MineralMan Jul 2015 #20

Have you read "unsafe at any speed"? Taitertots Jul 2015 #41

Yes, I've read it. I've ready other studies, too. MineralMan Jul 2015 #45

So you must have seen the obvious design defect Taitertots Jul 2015 #48

I know exactly what the design problem was. MineralMan Jul 2015 #50

"especially vulnerable" Major Nikon Jul 2015 #63

Thanks for posting that NHTSA info. I would have, but MineralMan Jul 2015 #70

Let's hear it for the Iraq War, Roberts & Alito, Scooter Libby, no WMD's, ignored PDB's Renew Deal Jul 2015 #13

you forgot about SCOTUS noiretextatique Jul 2015 #73

You're right. Nader made the theft possible. Renew Deal Jul 2015 #79

scotus was the thief noiretextatique Jul 2015 #81

Those who don't want third party spoilers should push more for instant runoff voting... cascadiance Jul 2015 #14

Nader gave Bush the election Gothmog Jul 2015 #15

People voting for Bush "gave" the election to Bush Taitertots Jul 2015 #42

Ralph Nader Was Indispensable To The Republican Party Gothmog Jul 2015 #43

Nader got 100,000 votes in a state with millions of potential voters Taitertots Jul 2015 #44

thank you for your tireless efforts noiretextatique Jul 2015 #16

Fuck that piece of shit taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #18

ditto El Supremo Jul 2015 #78

Lots of things contributed to Gore's "loss". I'm not cheering for any of them Orangepeel Jul 2015 #21

Yeah, no. Fuck that guy. n/t Godhumor Jul 2015 #22

Fuck Nader. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #23

Nader was a KEY factor in the loss of Florida. He got 95,000 votes there pnwmom Jul 2015 #24

and the recount stopped by SCOTUS noiretextatique Jul 2015 #72

It wouldn't have gone to SCOTUS if Nader hadn't been the spoiler on the ballot. pnwmom Jul 2015 #92

funny how they can blame Nader, yet ignore Gore's choice of Neocon Lieberman for VP HFRN Jul 2015 #26

rewriting history don't make it so.. Peacetrain Jul 2015 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #39

The greatest irony of terrorism, is that the most likely attack you'd ever get HFRN Jul 2015 #28

Nader was a liar in 2000. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #30

I may be ignorant ut I am not stupid, I remember the vote count hollysmom Jul 2015 #31

kudos for the environment and a brick bat for the election oldandhappy Jul 2015 #32

citizens united lancer78 Jul 2015 #33

*** Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #34

Yup... SidDithers Jul 2015 #37

Fuck Ralph Nader... SidDithers Jul 2015 #35

...and the horse he rode in on Major Nikon Jul 2015 #62

Nader is a petty dictator, viciously anti-union, andd worse. Archae Jul 2015 #36

His insistence that both parties... Mona Jul 2015 #38

BBRRAAPP!! hobbit709 Jul 2015 #47

You'll have to excuse the fake outrage, the usual suspects cannot come up Rex Jul 2015 #49

This shit again. joshcryer Jul 2015 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #53

The SCOTUS is completely at fault! THEY stopped the counting! napi21 Jul 2015 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #54

+1000 SCOTUS is the culprit noiretextatique Jul 2015 #65

Will I live to see the end of people bickering about Nader? LiberalElite Jul 2015 #56

What about NH? Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #57

Fuck that little POS narcissist tabasco Jul 2015 #67

Hey Ralph! Fuck off you egomanianc! nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #68

All Nader's Fault...let's Stone Him...when the facts are against any of that............. KoKo Jul 2015 #91

Suuuureee. Nader being there had no effect. And then you wake up. Adrahil Jul 2015 #94

I thank him for my seat belt malaise Jul 2015 #74

blaming nader for bush is like blaming the fly on the elephant's ass noiretextatique Jul 2015 #75

DAMN RIGHT! elleng Jul 2015 #76

I used to respect him Skittles Jul 2015 #77

Okay...but what did Nader do BEFORE what You think he did which is the RW View... KoKo Jul 2015 #80

YES I KNOW WHAT HE DID Skittles Jul 2015 #82

His Ego helped to install Bush into the WH? KoKo Jul 2015 #88

If Nader ann--- Jul 2015 #85

I guess Gore wasnt good enough to get his own base to vote for him GummyBearz Jul 2015 #87

He's not ann--- Jul 2015 #98

scotus created a one-time only bush-specific law noiretextatique Jul 2015 #83

I KNOW NADER WAS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR Skittles Jul 2015 #84

You want to blame it on Nader and Ignore the Corrupted Fla Voting Machines, KoKo Jul 2015 #90

OMFG Skittles Jul 2015 #96

YES! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jul 2015 #89

More Nader Denialism. Still trying to justify redstateblues Jul 2015 #95

Fuc that pompous turd waffle. n/t Maru Kitteh Jul 2015 #97

Americans aren't interested in democracy. CanSocDem Jul 2015 #99

Why has Crusader Rabbit Nader never run for any other office? mac56 Jul 2015 #100

"He doesn't give a rip-roaring shit about public service." ???? CanSocDem Jul 2015 #101

Are you suggesting that NONE of them do? mac56 Jul 2015 #102

Look around.... CanSocDem Jul 2015 #104

"You're already "exceptional", right?" mac56 Jul 2015 #105

Pardon my tone. CanSocDem Jul 2015 #106

Not pardoned. mac56 Jul 2015 #107

remember who voted and worked for Nader not Nader himself olddots Jul 2015 #108