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14. maybe...maybe...maybe... All the operative facts are shrouded in "maybe". nt

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Why did this girl cause her own murder? [View all] obamanut2012 May 2012 OP

k&r Starry Messenger May 2012 #1

Thanks obamanut2012 May 2012 #2

+1 (nt) enough May 2012 #3

obamanut JustAnotherGen May 2012 #4

Thanks so very much obamanut2012 May 2012 #8

Lots of "if" and "maybe" in there... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #85

You mean you think she stalked him and forced him to shoot her in self defense? lunatica May 2012 #118

+1 obamanut2012 May 2012 #120

The most important part is where.. Cave_Johnson May 2012 #123

So if she's on top of him beating him into a coma he has the lunatica May 2012 #126

Not sure where his was.. Cave_Johnson May 2012 #127

But if someone is on top of you banging your head into the cement lunatica May 2012 #128

What would have happened if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck? sabrina 1 May 2012 #137

It doesn't matter... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #138

So you equate someone going innocently about their business, leaving their home to go to work, or to sabrina 1 May 2012 #141

I think you understand the legal point... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #143

Changing the context of what I said doesn't change the context. sabrina 1 May 2012 #147

George Zimmerman is an ordinary citizen... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #148

It is not legal to stalk and harass someone. sabrina 1 May 2012 #150

You're totally wrong. It does matter. bupkus May 2012 #144

You are the only one talking about race... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #149

It is not legal to follow and harass someone obamanut2012 May 2012 #151

This sounds oddly familiar. nt onehandle May 2012 #5

It's very clear that Martin's blackness is what allows people here and elsewhere alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #6

+1000 Starry Messenger May 2012 #9

You would think... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #43

I keep a mental list. Starry Messenger May 2012 #61

I've wondered about the jury system Iris May 2012 #103

This is reminiscent of the time a Japanese exchange student in a Halloween costume Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #12

EXCELLENT POST!!!!! obamanut2012 May 2012 #28

Have you noticed chervilant May 2012 #38

Great OP and great response malaise May 2012 #64

Yes, everyone knows that "black youth"--even those who watch TV with their families, have a sweet MADem May 2012 #69

My God, I never heard that about the child being reported obamanut2012 May 2012 #74

you got it CreekDog May 2012 #76

"The racism - yes, outright racism - I've seen on even this board, by longtime DUers, Number23 May 2012 #96

yup, i said this many times, change race and people would never defend this JI7 May 2012 #98

+ another 1000 Iris May 2012 #102

Exactly. Anyone remember Bernard Goetz? Nine May 2012 #111

It is not about applauding, it is about looking at the facts without idological filters gejohnston May 2012 #129

K&R -- Thank you. Raine1967 May 2012 #7

you know pisses me off most about this (this being the first time hearing this story)... Volaris May 2012 #10

It was a DAMN GOOD two cents! BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #18

My sister and I have kind of joked JustAnotherGen May 2012 #19

+1 obamanut2012 May 2012 #25

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #112

Another way to look at this is to think of justice as a way to encourage and JDPriestly May 2012 #70

Volaris, there is no 17-year-old girl vicitm who was slut-shamed. tblue37 May 2012 #84

These things don't establish that it was OK to shoot. What they do... TheMadMonk May 2012 #105

Hello! usaprogress May 2012 #113

so lets play this game belcffub May 2012 #11

But given the context, the only way your narrative would fit is if Mike lived in the neighborhood ET Awful May 2012 #13

correction: beac May 2012 #80

You probably should usaprogress May 2012 #132

He may have called what he was doing "neighborhood watch" beac May 2012 #133

But that wasn't what Zimmerman was doing JustAnotherGen May 2012 #16

I did not see zimmerman mention in the OP's story... belcffub May 2012 #31

False equivalency. yellerpup May 2012 #17

I was not fitting it into zimmerman belcffub May 2012 #26

Then what were you doing? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #53

doing the same thing the OP did belcffub May 2012 #56

The OP simply switched out the race and gender aspects of the actual case. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #60

Thank you, Tommy obamanut2012 May 2012 #75

thanks JustAnotherGen May 2012 #42

My pleasure. yellerpup May 2012 #44

well, all except for the " strange part of town" and the "looking to buy a sewing machine" and ... ret5hd May 2012 #20

I'm sorry you feel murdering someone is a game obamanut2012 May 2012 #21

I was only performing the same act that your OP did... belcffub May 2012 #33

What you did is obvious. Why you feel that way, not so much. Hoyt May 2012 #116

Just proved the OP's point Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #24

IMHO, this case hinges on Zimmerman's "hobby". Old and In the Way May 2012 #47

lulz. Starry Messenger May 2012 #27

No, it doesn't Aerows May 2012 #29

the OP says nothing about the man harassing the girl first belcffub May 2012 #32

Way to miss the point Aerows May 2012 #40

You figured that out too? JustAnotherGen May 2012 #45

I got the point... belcffub May 2012 #46

Right, you missed the point obamanut2012 May 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author belcffub May 2012 #58

actually indigoth May 2012 #65

But if you are lost, you avoid going behind houses. You try to stay on the street JDPriestly May 2012 #72

Looking for a house number that you got from Craig's list is very different from JDPriestly May 2012 #71

You people always think the person that dies is at fault and the person with the gun is god. rhett o rick May 2012 #109

Exactly. The last line is a classic. Hoyt May 2012 #117

Bullseye, rhett o rick. Very well put..... (n/t) Paladin May 2012 #119

maybe...maybe...maybe... All the operative facts are shrouded in "maybe". nt Romulox May 2012 #14

WWF!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #15

I never said she was white obamanut2012 May 2012 #23

"while" not "white" ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #34

OOPS! obamanut2012 May 2012 #35

I do too. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #36

How much of that has to do... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #49

Agreed. I keep posting about a pretty black girl being executed in front of a relative's house. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #50

I went over... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #52

I posted and kicked, too. n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #54

I now JUST read the thread obamanut2012 May 2012 #115

we do tend to go there as our default setting, don't we? BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #41

True in general. Although believe it or not, sometimes it is the woman who is the abuser. JDPriestly May 2012 #73

that's true BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #93

BlancheSplanchnik, there is no 17-year-old girl vicitm who was slut-shamed. tblue37 May 2012 #86

yes I know. BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #90

Hope you get the final screen script written befor Zimmerman's people do...... wandy May 2012 #22

Emphatic K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #30

Well done, but you need to let the haters know what color she is - TBF May 2012 #37

WWF BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #55

That too. nt TBF May 2012 #63

Thanks for pointing out... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #39

If there is a hell, I hope they reserve a special place for that %^%^&er zzaapp May 2012 #51

K&R (n/t) a2liberal May 2012 #57

Excellent. K&R n/t myrna minx May 2012 #59

Very good analogy to the Iraq Invasion. RagAss May 2012 #62

so true too lunasun May 2012 #136

Self-appointed neighborhood watch captain. jtuck004 May 2012 #66

And then there is the black woman who got 20 years with no chance of parole. airplaneman May 2012 #67

She fired in teh direction of two children. vaberella May 2012 #78

Are you f'n serious. She got 20 f'n years because she was black. Rationalize it anyway you want rhett o rick May 2012 #110

No, it was because of Florida's manditory sentencing law. gejohnston May 2012 #130

She was "standing her ground" but for some reason, that law didnt apply to her. rhett o rick May 2012 #135

I don't know what the judge's logic was. gejohnston May 2012 #139

I agree that Zimmerman's case isnt SYG, but isnt he going to get a SYG hearing? rhett o rick May 2012 #142

true he could gejohnston May 2012 #145

brilliant Blue_Tires May 2012 #68

Ha -- BRILLIANT addition! obamanut2012 May 2012 #77

well done BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #94

I wish I could rec a response. Starry Messenger May 2012 #114

this is something new. Blame the victim as usual. Polls after polls show people want medical southernyankeebelle May 2012 #79

There is no 17-year-old girl vicitm who was slut-shamed. tblue37 May 2012 #88

Well as I was reading this I was thinking of Trayon and the pot. That was why I made the comment. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #92

mhh... maria2 May 2012 #81

k n r yardwork May 2012 #82

You didn't state whether she was black or white. It makes a difference, you know. nt Flatulo May 2012 #83

I didn't mention it on purpose obamanut2012 May 2012 #89

Exactly. It reminds me of "A Time To Kill" CakeGrrl May 2012 #100

Well done! nt gateley May 2012 #87

Thank you obamanut2012 May 2012 #91

You present this in such a way that anyone who reads SHOULD be able to see gateley May 2012 #107

Thank you. uppityperson May 2012 #95

It was my pleasure obamanut2012 May 2012 #99

K&R Thanks! SaveOurDemocracy May 2012 #97

brilliant post riverwalker May 2012 #101

Excellent post! Thanks for it. K&R nt frogmarch May 2012 #104

I am not sure that it's all racism Doctor_J May 2012 #106

Basically agree about "gunsters." But, SYG laws are written with shooting minorities in mind. Hoyt May 2012 #122

The SYG laws will certainly be used more by whites against minorities Doctor_J May 2012 #125

since when did MSM join the defense team? gejohnston May 2012 #131

It's obvious isn't it? She had the tenacity to walk freely justiceischeap May 2012 #108

Thanks JIC! obamanut2012 May 2012 #121

Busy, busy, busy! justiceischeap May 2012 #124

saying that Zimmerman was justified in his shooting... NutmegYankee May 2012 #134

Who is backing Zimmerman? gejohnston May 2012 #140

How can you claim to be backing the truth? bupkus May 2012 #146

Excellent analogy obamanut2012 May 2012 #152