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In reply to the discussion: First they came for ConsortiumNews, and I did not speak out— [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)197. They live happily in the times Frank Church warned us about.
The late Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.
The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committees responsibility for Welchs death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
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Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT), a liberal Republican, also got the treatment from NSA?
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
Lost to History NOT
Comparing some who call themselves Democrats these days to Frank Church is sad.
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"When Money is Speech..." and "Money Trumps Peace" (GWB).. there, I fixed that for you...
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2015
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"Thank you for standing up for the good fight, Ghost in the Machine." Thank YOU, Octafish....
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Jul 2015
#148
You're right about people waking up to the manipulation. I USED to think that
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That's just horse patooty. That story was WIDELY carried in the "regular" news media.
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You can do your own homework--but here, let me show you just how MISTAKEN you are....
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#103
And some would alert, hide, lock and censor everyone that doesn't march to the "correct"
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#206
Perfect. That emoticon really says it all. When all else fails you, ridicule. nm
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#209
I doubt it--it will be pivot-turn-change subject. Anything save confront that his beloved website
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#387
No. Because they didn't mention Petraeus got off easy compared to CIA and Pentagon whistleblowers.
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Not exactly what he said, uhnope, but when you're smearing someone, that's the point.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#146
Do you guys have a name for this tactic? It isn't very politically liberal. nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#210
Let's see, ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch could disappear tomorrow and I would toast the fact
Godhumor
Jul 2015
#3
Sorry you feel that way. In particular, I don't like some of the things I've read on CounterPunch.
Octafish
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#23
What's your problem with enenews? It's a great source for news on nuclear energy
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They don't write anything. They just link to other nuclear industry articles.
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#28
Ugh. Now you're mincing words. They link to articles ABOUT the nuclear industry.
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#326
Speaking of dumbed-down, I don't remember you ever posting about the NAZIs on DU.
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#41
Just pointing out your decade-long defense of Parry's psychotic break from reality
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Incredible like the time the Tag Team got all worked up for me quoting a banned DUer?
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Jul 2015
#248
You mean where you cited a DUer banned for Holocaust denial to prove that another Holocaust denier
msanthrope
Jul 2015
#249
I'm fucking floored that the very simple message "Stop citing Holocaust deniers"
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#258
I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity......
msanthrope
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#261
I didn't claim you promoted anti-Semitism.....I said you cited Holocaust deniers.
msanthrope
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#271
261. ''I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity......''
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#280
Then alert.....and any juror can Google your username, my username, and "shamir"
msanthrope
Jul 2015
#469
Thank you for proving that what was posted was in fact, correctly translated bullshit. nt
msanthrope
Jul 2015
#495
The call goes out and they come running. Emboldened by their friends. Not offering
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#338
Thanks for posting. This is supposed to be a politically liberal message board
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#340
No, of course not. And as far as I know Counterpunch hasn't been "banned."
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#106
First, they came for those who paraphrased Niemöller, and I did not speak out.... (nt)
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#43
yeah, wow. Maybe we should back off? Because they might really be clinical, literally (!)
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#160
I guess when you've invested so much time defending the likes of Paul Craig Roberts...
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#34
The amount of times he jumps the shark, well, we should nickname him Fonzie. nt
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#60
It's almost like he did it right on cue. Few comedians have that kind of timing...
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#75
Yes, 6+ Million dead is exactly like people pointing out holes in your favored media's stories. (nt)
jeff47
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#46
Does CounterPunch's publishing right wing authors mean we can not trust their left wing writers?
Agnosticsherbet
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#101
CounterPunch has good and bad, some stuff I read, most I like I skim, and lots I skip.
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#303
You are most welcome, Enthusiast! For Gary Webb and Media Manipulation, from Beverly Bandler...
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#346
+1, thank you for that. One has to wonder about the current heroin epidemic.
Enthusiast
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#349
So much sounds so familiar, so often, that it has become deja vu all over again, again.
Enthusiast
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#399
You know he is going to now use that against you in the future as you admitting to being a paid
stevenleser
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#181
You would think so. The kinds of issues one would need to have... Well... Lest...
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#240
Great, but Parry reported Team PNAC, not President Obama, who push for war in Ukraine.
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#241
RT airs interviews with former SEC regulator William K Black, whom the Bush-Obama DoJs ignored.
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#190
"Trashing ConsortiumNews is just like gassing millions of innocent folk!"
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#196
Henry Gonzalez: A Great American...was ready to fight E Howard Hunt, mano a mano.
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#448
April Glaspie affair exposes pro- anti-BFEE divisions within the Establishment.
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I have been listing internet media that people should follow instead of the TV and
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#235
I put that principle in action when I remember what Gen. George S. Patton said long ago...
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You think associating me with them somehow damages my reputation? I stand behind them.
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A USAF guy I met mentioned he'd lose his pension if he answered my question about UFOs.
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I'm surprised they didn't use an EMP weapon on him just for saying that much
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#306
Ah, the unnamed anonymous USAF guy. What command and unit was he in? What was his job? nt
stevenleser
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Well that's your claim isn't it? That one of them told you something that broke their
stevenleser
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#398
No, actually. Here's how Rupert Murdoch helped maneuver America into war on Iraq.
Octafish
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#414
Propagandists are never wrong, and the people that say they are are just teaming up to silence them.
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#301
No kidding. That's why I encourage people to read ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch...
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#305
I'm sorry, but what military's basic training includes lessons on what is and isn't censorship?
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They worked it in between folding your drawers in a 6" square and making hospital corners
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#310
All the usual characters who have always run interference on those who dare ask questions. nt
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Good point. It was also mentioned upthread. Here's why even Putinasta-filled RT matters...
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Wish I said something when the asshats and emoticon brigade went after Will Pitt.
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Where did I post ''Holocaust nonsense'' that ''was just tasteless hyperbole'' NuclearDem?
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Invoking Rev. Niemoller after someone said something not nice about CP or CN
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