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135. zimmerman martin or any private citizen do not have the same requirement as our criminal just system

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:22 AM

May 2012

innocent until proven guilty is only in a court of law...

I am pretty sure that zimmerman profiled martin... had a history of it...

you said:
"Now prove that zimmerman threatened him with a gun instead of pulling the gun out after he was attacked and on the ground."
Oddly enough, I do not have to, Mr. Zimmerman is the one who needs to prove why he felt his lif is in danger, especially as he is the one that initated the pursuit. SYG mans just that, you stand the ground where youa re, not get out of your car, against the orders of the police dispatch, and stalk someone (which the phone records indictate he did, martin complained on his cell phone that he was being followed, and used the terms "I am not going to run, but walk fast."

the prosecution will need to prove this... if they can't he will walk... Zimmerman has injuries consistent with what he was saying from the beginning...

and your making up your own interruption of SYG... dispatch said they do not need him to follow. They never ordered him to do anything. he got out of his car (a totally stupid thing) and confronted martin... no one knows what was said.. could have asked him for skittles for all we know... then a fight started... again we have no idea who started it... your guess is as good as mine...

.". which I'm not saying is what happened... "

But you sure want to plant that seed knowing that white people are trained to fear Black Males.

no I'm giving you reasonable doubt... which is what's required for zimmerman to get off...

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Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting [View all] Cave_Johnson May 2012 OP

hmmm I owe a May 2012 #1

"...compiled by the family physician..." where's emt report uponit7771 May 2012 #2

Thank you. n/t vaberella May 2012 #47

Still being withheld by the state ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #81

Return to work? I owe a May 2012 #3

Fraud The Wizard May 2012 #4

This is a family doctor who needs his license jerked madokie May 2012 #5

Yup. nt. NYC_SKP May 2012 #6

For what reason? badtoworse May 2012 #7

For being bought off and lying his ass off madokie May 2012 #12

I'm sure the prosecution customerserviceguy May 2012 #15

Daddy madokie May 2012 #17

well then the prosecution will have no problem discrediting the doctor and report then n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #33

Oh, yeah. I'm SURE the cops had a good reason ... Bake May 2012 #30

I know lawyers who made careers in this County based on their ability to lie. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #89

Comparing doctors to lawyers? customerserviceguy May 2012 #126

I can only go by my experiences. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #138

You forgot the detective recommended arrest that night nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #91

Armchair CSI? Why don't you just go down and take over the prosecution since you're such an expert? badtoworse May 2012 #19

Don't you think the asswipe would have let it be known then if that was true madokie May 2012 #109

I'm not surprised that no one saw Zimmerman for weeks. badtoworse May 2012 #111

Of course you're not surprised madokie May 2012 #112

How am I defending him? badtoworse May 2012 #114

Thats all I've read from you on this madokie May 2012 #115

How about some examples? badtoworse May 2012 #117

Read what you've posted so far EOM madokie May 2012 #118

What a jump.. pipoman May 2012 #21

you have zero evidence that the doctor is a fraud magical thyme May 2012 #34

Has anyone seen the contents of the investigating pipoman May 2012 #59

there is an emt report from on-site, portions of it were public magical thyme May 2012 #69

A broken nose is apparent immediately madokie May 2012 #110

then you have no idea what my premise is magical thyme May 2012 #119

That's not always the case, madokie. When I broke my nose in 2005 there was almost no external... slackmaster May 2012 #129

I've not had a broken nose madokie May 2012 #130

There's still time. My method worked quite well. slackmaster May 2012 #131

Time is running out for me though as I'm 64 madokie May 2012 #136

Why? Zimmerman had someone beat him up. MrSlayer May 2012 #8

That might be hard to prove badtoworse May 2012 #10

A broken nose bleeds ... a lot. As do scalp lacerations. sarge43 May 2012 #11

The couple times I've had a black eye it was apparent almost immediately. madokie May 2012 #13

That's you... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #18

That has been my experience as well. badtoworse May 2012 #20

Same here. laundry_queen May 2012 #38

I have had both black eyes and a broken nose obamanut2012 May 2012 #24

I hit my nose on my granddaughters head when I tripped and it was also swelling immediately. jwirr May 2012 #40

Exactly obamanut2012 May 2012 #93

Experts disagree with you mythology May 2012 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author obamanut2012 May 2012 #92

Hmm in ten years of EMS the least nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #88

Your experience is irrelevant, as is mine which is different. badtoworse May 2012 #107

Yup, and I know you or I could not sit in that jury nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #137

My first question was, hmmm, who did Zippy get to punch him? Bake May 2012 #31

Fairly preposterous claim to make ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #87

This was a potential homicide and the cops let him decline immediate medical examination? sarge43 May 2012 #9

Hope it comes out who beat him up after the incident. Solomon May 2012 #14

What did Trayvons fists look like? That much facial bruising geckosfeet May 2012 #16

The funeral director said there were no signs of trauma Solomon May 2012 #22

The autopsy says otherwise B2G May 2012 #45

To a knuckle. Not knuckles. I got abrasions on my knuckles right now. I swear, I didn't Solomon May 2012 #120

The doctor did it Life Long Dem May 2012 #23

you don't need no stinkin' x-ray machine to see that broken nose magical thyme May 2012 #35

Didn't see a sign of this in that video from the police station malaise May 2012 #25

Police brutality? surrealAmerican May 2012 #26

Who did he go to seek legal clearance to chase after Fawke Em May 2012 #27

The injuries shouldn't matter, although I think he'll get off catbyte May 2012 #28

A broken nose justifies shooting somebody? HockeyMom May 2012 #29

Can be Oneka May 2012 #42

...and trayvon martin is D E A D. spanone May 2012 #32

That's it right there RockaFowler May 2012 #44

Actually he had knuckle injuries, classically indicative that he has hit someone. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #78

he also has a bullet hole in him that is classically indicative of being shot dead spanone May 2012 #128

It turns out that the knuckle injuries may not have been as extensive as first reported ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #133

So Zimmerman gets a couple of black eyes when Trayvon 'stands his ground' against this nutty stalker WI_DEM May 2012 #36

yes, mr zimmerman, it's stressful when you kill someone, isn't it? spanone May 2012 #37

Okay - two things - first wouldn't there be exrays that would indicate a break? and once again jwirr May 2012 #39

Really they take x-rays? Is that the norm? vaberella May 2012 #49

I don't know if they take exrays or not but without one I do not believe them. And I agree if he jwirr May 2012 #68

The police cannot force anyone to accept treatment ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #80

He can refuse the EMTs as long as he is conscious and coherent ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #79

And signs an AMA. nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #95

Indeed. It is the defining instrument for declining emergency treatment. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #101

doctor schmoctor riverwalker May 2012 #41

what a bunch of garbage... he refused medical attention... fascisthunter May 2012 #43

Sorry you think so... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #46

I thought it was a broken nose. That's no joke. vaberella May 2012 #50

I have had a broken nose and black eyes obamanut2012 May 2012 #82

pretty easy to murder people too fascisthunter May 2012 #77

Let's be honest here. Who hasn't asked their family doctor to help them out a few times? vaberella May 2012 #48

I honestly never have B2G May 2012 #51

Not if the doctor didn't know. It wasn't like the shooting was broadcasted. vaberella May 2012 #52

Nope, I never have. B2G May 2012 #55

He is innocent of what exactly? The problem is the boy was unarmed and killed. vaberella May 2012 #84

'A medical report compiled by the family physician' ........... marmar May 2012 #53

One million candlepower's worth. Ikonoklast May 2012 #104

Yep. Two words jumped right out at me. "Family physician" and "compiled". Solomon May 2012 #122

ABCnews has been uncritically airing these unbelievable uncreditable stories from the beginning librechik May 2012 #54

ABC News is reporting on court testimony B2G May 2012 #56

Reporting on it lazily and uncritically. marmar May 2012 #58

Uncritically? What are they supposed to say in their report? B2G May 2012 #61

What the hell are you talking about, "entering into evidence". Court testimony? The damn Solomon May 2012 #123

in addition to that, they also aired that "edited, enhanced" parking lot video Blue_Tires May 2012 #66

That's something I've also noticed NoGOPZone May 2012 #57

Does that tinfoil make you sweaty? B2G May 2012 #60

Did you bother reading the article? NoGOPZone May 2012 #62

The documents were released by the court yesterday B2G May 2012 #63

In other words, you're saying ABC lied when the said NoGOPZone May 2012 #64

And just maybe Matt Gutman is a better journalist B2G May 2012 #67

and maybe one of those contacts NoGOPZone May 2012 #75

So???? Little Star May 2012 #65

So.... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #70

The part that says you ca't fight back against someone wielding a gun. FarLeftFist May 2012 #71

I know you are new around here but there will occasionally be duplicates, Little Star May 2012 #72

Yeah, it sure is interesting. Kingofalldems May 2012 #73

Where's Bill Frist when we need him? reflection May 2012 #74

I demand we consult Miss Cleo! JVS May 2012 #76

12+ hours after the incident nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #85

Given the defensive practice of medicine, its a good bet that imaging was done ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #90

What is the name of the physician? Baitball Blogger May 2012 #86

Should be on the released data. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #94

Don't underestimate the level of unprofessional courtesies that occur in this county. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #96

Still need a basis for that to occur. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #100

It wouldn't surprise me if the person he's trying to cover is Norm Wolfinger. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #103

Without something probative to support your conspiracy theories ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #105

It's not like there isn't a city in this county which has given up millions Baitball Blogger May 2012 #106

Even if true, the physician is going to catch HELL Zax2me May 2012 #97

From who? Cave_Johnson May 2012 #98

Concur ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #102

and Zimmerman was a prescription drug user magical thyme May 2012 #99

OK, let's grant all of it DonCoquixote May 2012 #108

You take several logical leaps... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #113

Nope. He's dead on. Didn't you see the news in the paper this morning? Minority babies Solomon May 2012 #124

Logical leaps DonCoquixote May 2012 #127

thats a great theory belcffub May 2012 #132

OK, now to dissect your ideas DonCoquixote May 2012 #134

zimmerman martin or any private citizen do not have the same requirement as our criminal just system belcffub May 2012 #135

If this is true - doesn't Travyon Martin have the right to defend himself? LynneSin May 2012 #116

Yes, but some would rather you never bring that up obamanut2012 May 2012 #121

So I can believe his own personal physician after the crime Rex May 2012 #125