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Octafish

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303. CounterPunch has good and bad, some stuff I read, most I like I skim, and lots I skip.

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:32 PM

Jul 2015

Like all news sources, one has to consider the writer, the publication, the sources cited, the quotations taken, the circumstances of the article, and more; most of all, one must think about what one has read.

For example:

Will the Real Daniel Ellsberg Please Stand Up!

The Devil and Daniel Ellsberg

Daniel Ellsberg’s Lessons for Our Time

POVs on Ellsberg from all over the place. I read them and put what they added into the big wax puzzle box on my shoulders. I compare and contrast it with what I know, such as the time my cousin's nephew's college roommate's friend shook hands with the guy. From what I know, I think Ellsbergs's a great American.

Thank you, Agnosticsherbet. You get it and I, writing on behalf of the First Amendment and Democracy, thank you for it.

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First they came for ConsortiumNews, and I did not speak out— [View all] Octafish Jul 2015 OP

K&R! marym625 Jul 2015 #1

When Money is Speech... Octafish Jul 2015 #9

Hilarious thread. Thank you for raising the alarm uhnope Jul 2015 #102

He has managed to piss off the right people RobertEarl Jul 2015 #115

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #421

Bartcop was awesome 90-percent Jul 2015 #112

What Skinner wrote about Bartcop... Octafish Jul 2015 #133

I'm one of those who came here via BartCop Oilwellian Jul 2015 #215

"When Money is Speech..." and "Money Trumps Peace" (GWB).. there, I fixed that for you... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #124

Thank you for the kind correction. Octafish Jul 2015 #138

"Thank you for standing up for the good fight, Ghost in the Machine." Thank YOU, Octafish.... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #418

Excellent post. newthinking Jul 2015 #504

You're right about people waking up to the manipulation. I USED to think that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #512

OMG marym625 Jul 2015 #224

Consortium News? Really? MineralMan Jul 2015 #2

No, ConsortiumNews is an excellent resource. For example, Ray McGovern on matters of high treason... Octafish Jul 2015 #14

That's just horse patooty. That story was WIDELY carried in the "regular" news media. MADem Jul 2015 #86

How about The New York Times? Wall Street Journal? ABC? CNN? CBS? NBC? Octafish Jul 2015 #98

You can do your own homework--but here, let me show you just how MISTAKEN you are.... MADem Jul 2015 #103

slam dunk. I wonder if that will cause ANY pause at all uhnope Jul 2015 #110

What diatribe of BS, uhnope? Octafish Jul 2015 #116

um, this whole thread. And the post we are talking about, were BS posts uhnope Jul 2015 #127

So, you can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Jul 2015 #156

Hardly... SidDithers Jul 2015 #126

Like clockwork: ad hominem and SidDithers of DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #159

You promote writers like Israel Shamir and Christopher Bollyn at DU... SidDithers Jul 2015 #161

Where did I promote them? Octafish Jul 2015 #163

And some would alert, hide, lock and censor everyone that doesn't march to the "correct" rhett o rick Jul 2015 #206

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #208

Perfect. That emoticon really says it all. When all else fails you, ridicule. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #209

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #212

A typical response from this site's hifiguy Jul 2015 #312

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #313

You got that right! polly7 Jul 2015 #322

Before Chomsky, Wittgenstein recognized the strategy. Octafish Jul 2015 #243

There must be a shortage of straw in your area treestar Jul 2015 #246

Results: bravenak Jul 2015 #227

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #230

Awesome... SidDithers Jul 2015 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jul 2015 #334

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #419

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #420

I doubt it--it will be pivot-turn-change subject. Anything save confront that his beloved website MADem Jul 2015 #387

How does that refute what I wrote? Octafish Jul 2015 #114

Oh, I see. Now they don't count because they didn't "make a dent" uhnope Jul 2015 #125

No. Because they didn't mention Petraeus got off easy compared to CIA and Pentagon whistleblowers. Octafish Jul 2015 #134

oh, so they don't editorialize in their news articles & that makes them bad uhnope Jul 2015 #141

I just showed you where you were wrong. Octafish Jul 2015 #155

fuck Ray McGovern the anti-Semite uhnope Jul 2015 #111

Promoting yet ANOTHER anti-Semite on DU? zappaman Jul 2015 #130

Not exactly what he said, uhnope, but when you're smearing someone, that's the point. Octafish Jul 2015 #146

go ahead, double-down on your support for an anti-Semite uhnope Jul 2015 #147

Do you guys have a name for this tactic? It isn't very politically liberal. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #210

Not very Democratic. Tactic reminds me of this... Octafish Jul 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jul 2015 #333

There it is.................. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #350

"facist state media RT"? JonLP24 Jul 2015 #319

Thanks to Octafish and Robert Parry 1norcal Jul 2015 #118

Consortium News ROCKS! John Poet Jul 2015 #136

Gary Webb Too 1norcal Jul 2015 #144

I have the bfee trilogy. really good stuff. Doctor_J Jul 2015 #506

Yes, Consortium New Absolutely doxyluv13 Jul 2015 #89

I see. MineralMan Jul 2015 #95

So everyone who questions Washington is a Putinista? Octafish Jul 2015 #99

When did I say anything of the sort, Octafish? MineralMan Jul 2015 #105

The Russian writing. Octafish Jul 2015 #109

How so? No more so than the association MineralMan Jul 2015 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jul 2015 #336

Tie a chicken on the misbehaving dogs neck .... PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #121

Not sure if serious... Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #178

Prove it. grasswire Jul 2015 #221

That's the thing... MattSh Jul 2015 #232

''The Media of the 1%'' Octafish Jul 2015 #244

So what would you recommend? MattSh Jul 2015 #231

Let's see, ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch could disappear tomorrow and I would toast the fact Godhumor Jul 2015 #3

Same here leftynyc Jul 2015 #6

+ 1. "News" for the hopelessly gullible. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #12

Sorry you feel that way. In particular, I don't like some of the things I've read on CounterPunch. Octafish Jul 2015 #23

Well, that's exactly what the OP is referring to reorg Jul 2015 #184

And this thread is exactly what I am referring to Godhumor Jul 2015 #188

Which news outlets do you support? nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #207

Here they come. Octafish. grasswire Jul 2015 #223

Oh yes, they're so persecuted Godhumor Jul 2015 #239

Haters gotta hate, right? Octafish Jul 2015 #352

Well, enjoy the mainsteam media then. MattSh Jul 2015 #233

You left out naturalnews and enenews hobbit709 Jul 2015 #4

And god forbid we forget WSWS or FDL Godhumor Jul 2015 #5

Wow, you're toxic. Maedhros Jul 2015 #500

Shame. I enjoy you posts. Godhumor Jul 2015 #505

What's your problem with enenews? It's a great source for news on nuclear energy FourScore Jul 2015 #11

You believe in the Easter Bunny too? hobbit709 Jul 2015 #15

Why are you being rude? Can't you just answer the question? FourScore Jul 2015 #22

They have about as much real credibility as Donald Trump hobbit709 Jul 2015 #26

They don't write anything. They just link to other nuclear industry articles. FourScore Jul 2015 #28

So on one hand you're claiming the nuclear industry has credibility hobbit709 Jul 2015 #32

Ugh. Now you're mincing words. They link to articles ABOUT the nuclear industry. FourScore Jul 2015 #45

That wasn't what you said. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #69

they always try to confuse issues and words heaven05 Jul 2015 #74

Thank you. n/t FourScore Jul 2015 #234

That is not at all true FBaggins Jul 2015 #33

They post the paragraph or two of interest to them and link to the article. FourScore Jul 2015 #47

no heaven05 Jul 2015 #71

It's not a great source at all. MineralMan Jul 2015 #36

since when is advocacy bad? As for bias - FourScore Jul 2015 #53

Advocacy is good. Slanting information by selective MineralMan Jul 2015 #61

ENEnews is one sided RobertEarl Jul 2015 #150

Truth is complex. Only telling part of the truth is not telling the truth. MineralMan Jul 2015 #158

Including this truth: coal ash adds vastly more environmental radioactivity than nuclear waste ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #228

Does that include Plutonium? Octafish Jul 2015 #283

Plutonium is used in power generation ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #320

Sure about that? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #324

Because its less expensive to use uranium than to reprocess plutonium ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #326

You have no sense of the reality of nukes RobertEarl Jul 2015 #362

Fukushima is a classic example of what I'm talking about ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #370

There you go denying reality again RobertEarl Jul 2015 #374

Again, I'm giving you reality, and you're ignoring it ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #392

Heh RobertEarl Jul 2015 #444

ENENEWS is doing better reporting on Fukushima than the for-profit media. Octafish Jul 2015 #30

I can't help it if you believe in antiscience. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #39

Exactly. n/t FourScore Jul 2015 #54

Wow, what a way to dumb down a famous and profound quote. zappaman Jul 2015 #7

Speaking of dumbed-down, I don't remember you ever posting about the NAZIs on DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #41

I don't compare analysis of a website that hosts anti-Semites zappaman Jul 2015 #49

Nice try. Show where you post at all on the subject on DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #83

I have no idea why you promote the writings of anti-Semites zappaman Jul 2015 #87

So you go ad hominem as you have nothing to back you up. Octafish Jul 2015 #153

Yes, Old friend. Everyone CAN see this thread. zappaman Jul 2015 #164

Show where I'm wrong on what I post and I'll apologize. Octafish Jul 2015 #171

You aren't helping your 'case' with posts like that, you know..... MADem Jul 2015 #97

What case? Those are the facts. Octafish Jul 2015 #359

Thanks for the info and links. nilesobek Jul 2015 #507

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #422

Hurry! Maybe you can get to 10 before MIRT nukes you yet again...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #423

Welcome to DU. zappaman Jul 2015 #425

Come down off that cross, we can use the wood for something useful. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #8

Thank you for saying it so eloquently DonViejo Jul 2015 #10

Wow! You, a forum host, applaud me being compared to a fascist apologist? Octafish Jul 2015 #16

Forum hosts are also DUers. They are free to express their opinions on MineralMan Jul 2015 #24

Yep, I applaud the statement.... DonViejo Jul 2015 #29

That makes me wonder why some posts are taken down and some allowed to stand. Octafish Jul 2015 #50

Hosts do not "take down" posts. They can only lock OPs that MineralMan Jul 2015 #66

Consensus of all 30? Or just those who happen to be around? Octafish Jul 2015 #81

All 30 hosts are never online at the same time. MineralMan Jul 2015 #88

Thank you! Octafish Jul 2015 #96

You have it exactly right, Octafish. FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #192

Speak English, Dammit! This is America! MineralMan Jul 2015 #51

+1 freshwest Jul 2015 #137

He can't... FBaggins Jul 2015 #17

That is so witty. Octafish Jul 2015 #453

Just pointing out your decade-long defense of Parry's psychotic break from reality FBaggins Jul 2015 #498

It's shameful. You nailed it. zappaman Jul 2015 #20

+lots (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #40

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #52

I thought the thread was a spoof till I'd read a few posts. okasha Jul 2015 #193

Nailed it. This OP is incredible. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #245

Incredible like the time the Tag Team got all worked up for me quoting a banned DUer? Octafish Jul 2015 #248

You mean where you cited a DUer banned for Holocaust denial to prove that another Holocaust denier msanthrope Jul 2015 #249

You mean the DUer banned for holocaust denial that was referred to as zappaman Jul 2015 #256

I'm fucking floored that the very simple message "Stop citing Holocaust deniers" msanthrope Jul 2015 #258

I wonder why? zappaman Jul 2015 #260

I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity...... msanthrope Jul 2015 #261

To what do you ascribe your condescension? Octafish Jul 2015 #264

it fucking floors me that you are upset about condescension.... msanthrope Jul 2015 #265

Where do I promote anti-Semitism? Octafish Jul 2015 #270

I didn't claim you promoted anti-Semitism.....I said you cited Holocaust deniers. msanthrope Jul 2015 #271

It's what you just wrote, msanthrope. Octafish Jul 2015 #273

Quote the post where I wrote that. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #274

261. ''I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity......'' Octafish Jul 2015 #280

You must have quoted the wrong post. zappaman Jul 2015 #282

Octa, I'm referring to your citation of Holocaust deniers. msanthrope Jul 2015 #289

Or using a quote about the holocaust zappaman Jul 2015 #291

That's a smear by association, msanthrope. Octafish Jul 2015 #463

Then alert.....and any juror can Google your username, my username, and "shamir" msanthrope Jul 2015 #469

Just show where I did any of that. No need to repeat it. Octafish Jul 2015 #470

How difficult is it to tell the truth? reorg Jul 2015 #481

Thank you for proving that what was posted was in fact, correctly translated bullshit. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #495

I realize you don't want to hear about Assange and Wikileaks reorg Jul 2015 #497

Are you actually defending Shamir's article? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #508

Are you actually disputing what was reported? n/t reorg Aug 2015 #523

There you go again. zappaman Jul 2015 #276

Even with an OP that compares outing a site that hosts anti-Semites zappaman Jul 2015 #275

You got me there...... seriously I want to take the Op and the reccers msanthrope Jul 2015 #292

Or a form of dementia perhaps. uhnope Jul 2015 #281

Yeah. It's like being crazy about assholes, uhnope. Octafish Jul 2015 #286

Are you talking to the voices in your head? uhnope Jul 2015 #473

I thought that's what you meant. Octafish Jul 2015 #475

You are wrong, NuclearDem. Octafish Jul 2015 #382

Who's "coming for" Consortium News? Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #13

The Stonecutters. sufrommich Jul 2015 #19

Nobody is. Many, however, question MineralMan Jul 2015 #21

Is there something wrong with looking at all points of view? Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #152

You should do what you wish to do. MineralMan Jul 2015 #157

"Is there something wrong with looking at all points of view?" EX500rider Jul 2015 #494

More importantly, who is "coming for" DU? femmocrat Jul 2015 #35

Nobody's "coming for" any of them. MineralMan Jul 2015 #38

Thanks! femmocrat Jul 2015 #44

DUers. Octafish Jul 2015 #48

Excellent advice, Octafish. MineralMan Jul 2015 #78

Puerile. Octafish Jul 2015 #85

It's Purell. zappaman Jul 2015 #90

It's Tag Team. Octafish Jul 2015 #94

The call goes out and they come running. Emboldened by their friends. Not offering rhett o rick Jul 2015 #338

Jury results: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #339

Thanks for posting. This is supposed to be a politically liberal message board rhett o rick Jul 2015 #340

There should be a tougher penalty for bullshit alerts. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #341

It's like arguing with creationists. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #343

Not really. Creationists go by one source, the Bible. Octafish Jul 2015 #360

That's the opinion of one DUer. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #82

Harold Pinter: Truth, War and the Big Lie Octafish Jul 2015 #92

No, of course not. And as far as I know Counterpunch hasn't been "banned." The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #106

I was on a jury last night BainsBane Jul 2015 #117

There should be a law against paraphrasing Niemöller. Brickbat Jul 2015 #18

First, they came for those who paraphrased Niemöller, and I did not speak out.... (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #43

That would be unconstitutional. Octafish Jul 2015 #59

It's like you think I meant that literally. Brickbat Jul 2015 #73

See Sid's #68 below... stevenleser Jul 2015 #76

yeah, wow. Maybe we should back off? Because they might really be clinical, literally (!) uhnope Jul 2015 #160

Wow... SidDithers Jul 2015 #25

Unbelievable, ain't it? zappaman Jul 2015 #27

I guess when you've invested so much time defending the likes of Paul Craig Roberts... SidDithers Jul 2015 #34

Wow! Caretha Jul 2015 #328

The amount of times he jumps the shark, well, we should nickname him Fonzie. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #60

Yeah... SidDithers Jul 2015 #67

The neverending drama of DU: freshwest Jul 2015 #143

NAZIs believe in censorship. Why do you? Octafish Jul 2015 #65

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #68

It's almost like he did it right on cue. Few comedians have that kind of timing... stevenleser Jul 2015 #75

His timing is impeccable.... SidDithers Jul 2015 #84

First they came for Glenn Greenwald... Octafish Jul 2015 #77

Glenn Beck may be a more appropriate name to drop in this context... NuclearDem Jul 2015 #80

Nobody "came for" him, either. As far as I know he's still free The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #107

Mr. Godwin? Is that you? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #72

Discussing the quality and bias of news sources on DU isn't censorship. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #79

It's not just Nazis but authoritarians of all strips zeemike Jul 2015 #128

Bold? Hardly... dogknob Jul 2015 #145

It's neither a poem nor was it ever written down, reorg Jul 2015 #183

Hah! Good ones... druidity33 Jul 2015 #205

I think someone needs to clean up his Wiki Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #31

Niemoeller was a patriot. Octafish Jul 2015 #287

You forgot to mention globalresearch.ca (nt) TacoD Jul 2015 #37

Can find Peter Dale Scott's writing there... Octafish Jul 2015 #217

Seriously? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #42

Really. I hate NAZIs. So does ConsortiumNews. So did Rev. Niemöller. Octafish Jul 2015 #455

Yes, 6+ Million dead is exactly like people pointing out holes in your favored media's stories. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #46

Exactly. zappaman Jul 2015 #55

How did you get that? ConsortiumNews is the antidote for NAZI ideology. Octafish Jul 2015 #358

You are claiming that people disliking your media choice is the holocaust. jeff47 Jul 2015 #488

No, you have no idea what you're blathering about reorg Jul 2015 #490

:facepalm: jeff47 Jul 2015 #491

the subject is censorship and YOU are trying to change it n/t reorg Jul 2015 #492

For posterity... SidDithers Jul 2015 #56

Right...like he would have the decency to delete this garbage of an OP. zappaman Jul 2015 #57

15 DUers have already rec'd this abominable pile of tripe. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #58

It is baffling Godhumor Jul 2015 #63

Honestly BainsBane Jul 2015 #123

There is something very Quijote-esque to his pronouncements stevenleser Jul 2015 #100

I'm loving this thread BainsBane Jul 2015 #120

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes. Octafish Jul 2015 #459

Here's an approved site! Teamster Jeff Jul 2015 #62

The Flock of Money Octafish Jul 2015 #64

Yeah, it's cited all the time BainsBane Jul 2015 #122

Lol. That's quite a stretch don't hurt yourself Teamster Jeff Jul 2015 #139

Are you saying you haven't seen that? BainsBane Jul 2015 #140

Idea from the approved site: Zorra Jul 2015 #480

First they came for the passive-aggressive, and I did not speak out. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #70

Then they didn't. kwassa Jul 2015 #238

Good! Cause those peeps are annoying! nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #330

I'd want to hear what you said, even if you disagreed with me. Octafish Jul 2015 #467

first they came for those who criticized consortium news fishwax Jul 2015 #91

And that's putting it lightly! zappaman Jul 2015 #93

Does CounterPunch's publishing right wing authors mean we can not trust their left wing writers? Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #101

CounterPunch has good and bad, some stuff I read, most I like I skim, and lots I skip. Octafish Jul 2015 #303

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #104

You are most welcome, Enthusiast! For Gary Webb and Media Manipulation, from Beverly Bandler... Octafish Jul 2015 #346

+1, thank you for that. One has to wonder about the current heroin epidemic. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #349

And the meth epidemic. Octafish Jul 2015 #363

So much sounds so familiar, so often, that it has become deja vu all over again, again. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #399

First they came for Octafish... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #108

And I laughed... Octafish Jul 2015 #142

I sometimes wonder if this is performance art Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #162

I have wondered that myself. zappaman Jul 2015 #165

I dunno. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #167

No, I post because I want to preserve Democracy. Octafish Jul 2015 #166

I believe in science Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #168

So it should be easy to show where I post any of that. Octafish Jul 2015 #172

See here... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #173

So, you can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Jul 2015 #175

This thread is a prime example. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #179

You know he is going to now use that against you in the future as you admitting to being a paid stevenleser Jul 2015 #181

Yeah, I've seen the barage against you for appearing on Fox News... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #182

Show where I do that to '''win' arguments,'' stevenleser. Octafish Jul 2015 #189

When ad hominem is all you have, you don't have anything. Octafish Jul 2015 #185

Hey, you're just making me money here... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #204

Speaking of which... zappaman Jul 2015 #214

No, but does that surprise you? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #237

This thread is all kinds of awesome... SidDithers Jul 2015 #119

Very well could give the Dr. Oz thread a run for its money. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #129

It may end up becomming as legendary as Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #177

Bush's 'Perception Management' Plan Octafish Jul 2015 #390

Uh... Android3.14 Jul 2015 #131

How so? Can you be more ambiguous? TIA! Octafish Jul 2015 #456

Were you sincere in offering your apology? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #478

I'm puzzled -- Consortium News is still there... brooklynite Jul 2015 #132

Are you really puzzled or are you using that as a rhetorical device? Octafish Jul 2015 #457

Ah, now I remember where I've seen this before. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #135

Why post Glenn Beck NAZI crap on DU, NuclearDem? Octafish Jul 2015 #458

You didn't actually watch the video, did you? NuclearDem Jul 2015 #471

Why waste my time? Octafish Jul 2015 #476

You're buddies with Lewis Black? zappaman Jul 2015 #483

You monitor every post I write? Octafish Jul 2015 #485

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #486

It helps when you want to know what you're talking about. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #487

To be fair, it's easier to just make things up. zappaman Jul 2015 #493

That's classic! tammywammy Jul 2015 #474

This is some kind of guerrilla avant garde performance, right Godhumor Jul 2015 #149

You would think so. The kinds of issues one would need to have... Well... Lest... stevenleser Jul 2015 #240

This is a good exercise... CanSocDem Jul 2015 #151

Democracy is one idea worth defending, no matter what. Octafish Jul 2015 #278

Wow, is the stupid multiplying? Hydra Jul 2015 #154

It's all going according to GOP-NAZI plan exposed in 1988... Octafish Jul 2015 #203

Great thread, Octafish. polly7 Jul 2015 #169

Right wingers on his Secret Service detail said they wouldn't protect JFK. Octafish Jul 2015 #199

Wow. polly7 Jul 2015 #321

Only ~20 more recs to get this to the front page of DU! TacoD Jul 2015 #170

It's like a popularity contest at the Grand Jury. Octafish Jul 2015 #201

I'd hide my face with a hat too if I authored zappaman Jul 2015 #202

History is on your side, huh, zappaman? Octafish Jul 2015 #219

Dupe Octafish Jul 2015 #220

K&R of pissing off all the Right people! Rex Jul 2015 #174

They live happily in the times Frank Church warned us about. Octafish Jul 2015 #197

Did I miss something? What happened to ConsortiumNews? Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #176

Nazis.... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #180

Some DUers seem to want ConsortiumNews censored as a news source. Octafish Jul 2015 #194

Well Parry's "useful idiot" schtik aside, Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #195

Anything to say about what Parry wrote, Blue Tires? Octafish Jul 2015 #198

I've easily refuted his Ukraine stuff in previous threads...Search away Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #222

Great, but Parry reported Team PNAC, not President Obama, who push for war in Ukraine. Octafish Jul 2015 #241

So you truly believe Nuland is a rogue Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #514

Truly, that is a great question. Octafish Jul 2015 #515

Calling Blue. Come in Blue. elias49 Aug 2015 #525

We got a possible Code 666 Violation. Octafish Aug 2015 #529

Care to revisit this now? Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #543

I must say this whole thread is fuckin' gold in 2018... Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #544

What? No RT? Might as well get them all in there. nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #186

RT airs interviews with former SEC regulator William K Black, whom the Bush-Obama DoJs ignored. Octafish Jul 2015 #191

Then there's this... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #251

That's not William K. Black, though. Ever hear of Russell Tice? Octafish Jul 2015 #272

I'm sure whatever you think is happening is JUST LIKE THE HOLOCAUST!!11 REP Jul 2015 #187

That must be why I posted: Who enabled NAZI Germany to round up the Jews? Think IBM. Octafish Jul 2015 #190

"Trashing ConsortiumNews is just like gassing millions of innocent folk!" struggle4progress Jul 2015 #196

No. ConsortiumNews sheds light on those responsible for the Holocaust. Octafish Jul 2015 #200

... tammywammy Jul 2015 #211

Kinda affirms what you always suspected... zappaman Jul 2015 #216

I might have missed something dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #213

You may be correct, as CN and CP post articles critical of politicians. Octafish Jul 2015 #408

Didn't know about the DU - Parry link dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #445

Henry Gonzalez: A Great American...was ready to fight E Howard Hunt, mano a mano. Octafish Jul 2015 #448

Yes, Gonzalez was truly heroic dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #449

Know Your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam Octafish Jul 2015 #450

Thanks dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #516

April Glaspie affair exposes pro- anti-BFEE divisions within the Establishment. Octafish Aug 2015 #518

I think that is why the message coming from 3 channels said something to me dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #522

First they came for surprise... Dr. Strange Jul 2015 #225

You win! zappaman Jul 2015 #226

And so we all lose when such ridicule and name calling... dougolat Jul 2015 #236

K&R CrawlingChaos Jul 2015 #229

Why All This Matters: Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception Octafish Jul 2015 #269

I can't say this often enough Octafish CrawlingChaos Jul 2015 #325

I have been listing internet media that people should follow instead of the TV and JDPriestly Jul 2015 #235

I put that principle in action when I remember what Gen. George S. Patton said long ago... Octafish Jul 2015 #263

Another insightful quote to hold close these days. seafan Jul 2015 #242

Thank you, seafan! That is one of the great Democratic quotes of all time. Octafish Jul 2015 #253

I guess there's no hope we'll ever find out the truth about chemtrails and UFOs Major Nikon Jul 2015 #247

Because nothing says ''Democracy'' like Secret Government. Octafish Jul 2015 #250

Are you kidding? I love your UFO posts Major Nikon Jul 2015 #252

You think associating me with them somehow damages my reputation? I stand behind them. Octafish Jul 2015 #255

No, frequently promoting anti-Semitic writers and this OP... zappaman Jul 2015 #257

Are you speaking for Major Nikon, now? Octafish Jul 2015 #268

You are being Un-Democratic! Major Nikon Jul 2015 #299

Well apparently... zappaman Jul 2015 #302

No, I think they are hilarious Major Nikon Jul 2015 #294

Great. What entertains you, others may find informative. Octafish Jul 2015 #295

I don't think you understand Major Nikon Jul 2015 #296

Well, coming from you, that really means something. Octafish Jul 2015 #297

It means I think your UFO posts are hilarious Major Nikon Jul 2015 #300

A USAF guy I met mentioned he'd lose his pension if he answered my question about UFOs. Octafish Jul 2015 #304

I'm surprised they didn't use an EMP weapon on him just for saying that much Major Nikon Jul 2015 #306

!!! zappaman Jul 2015 #307

EMP? So primitive. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #332

Ah, the unnamed anonymous USAF guy. What command and unit was he in? What was his job? nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #348

Why would I tell you something told to me in confidence? Octafish Jul 2015 #361

Because those wouldn't identify him since he is retired, right? stevenleser Jul 2015 #366

Thanks for the UFO lesson. You make a logical fallacy, however. Octafish Jul 2015 #368

Nope, those are pretty much the only guys who would know stevenleser Jul 2015 #369

So they would break their secrecy oaths for SCI? Octafish Jul 2015 #372

Well that's your claim isn't it? That one of them told you something that broke their stevenleser Jul 2015 #398

I didn't claim anything. I explained why I said what I did. Octafish Jul 2015 #403

and boom goes the dynamite...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #373

No, it was a cigar. And it blew up in your face, SidDithers of DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #379

That's gonna leave a mark. zappaman Jul 2015 #385

Yeah, dude. ''Trolling is a art.'' -- SidDithers of DU to zappaman Octafish Jul 2015 #400

You better believe it! zappaman Jul 2015 #401

If that's the best you got, wow. Octafish Jul 2015 #407

If that's the best you got... zappaman Jul 2015 #409

No, actually. Here's how Rupert Murdoch helped maneuver America into war on Iraq. Octafish Jul 2015 #414

I agree that tequila can be good for you. zappaman Jul 2015 #416

You've been reduced to babble. Octafish Jul 2015 #435

It has as much to do with the thread as the post I replied to except zappaman Jul 2015 #437

It's still online Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #259

Guess my post worked. Octafish Jul 2015 #267

Was it ever offline? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #277

If some DUers had their way, it would. Octafish Jul 2015 #279

Not true. zappaman Jul 2015 #284

No offense, I don't take your word on anything, zappaman. Octafish Jul 2015 #288

No, it wouldn't. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #293

Right, just Tag Team DU into submission. Octafish Jul 2015 #298

Propagandists are never wrong, and the people that say they are are just teaming up to silence them. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #301

No kidding. That's why I encourage people to read ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch... Octafish Jul 2015 #305

I'm sorry, but what military's basic training includes lessons on what is and isn't censorship? NuclearDem Jul 2015 #309

They worked it in between folding your drawers in a 6" square and making hospital corners Major Nikon Jul 2015 #310

Oh, so *that's* what they were shouting during drill... NuclearDem Jul 2015 #314

Well, the source was you. Octafish Jul 2015 #365

No, but you are yet again. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #406

Are you a veteran, my friend? zappaman Jul 2015 #315

Is your name Sarah Connor? Octafish Jul 2015 #364

So , that's a no then. zappaman Jul 2015 #384

What a lovely bunch of people responding to this OP. elias49 Jul 2015 #262

It does show. Octafish Jul 2015 #266

relentless harassers and cyberstalkers carolinayellowdog Jul 2015 #335

You do have to be careful around the Anti-Tacos... NuclearDem Jul 2015 #345

It certainly appears that some have it in for Octafish. JEB Jul 2015 #285

All the usual characters who have always run interference on those who dare ask questions. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2015 #290

yes, a veritable who's who grasswire Jul 2015 #308

What's their deal? Thinking people can read and decide for themselves. JEB Jul 2015 #327

not without the assistance of partisan thought police, they can't carolinayellowdog Jul 2015 #337

Yes. Don't ask questions because there is nothing to see here. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #402

KICK and effin REC!!! hifiguy Jul 2015 #311

NPR news chiefs deny they knew of Army interns Octafish Jul 2015 #391

White I would not necessarily agree with the analogy nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #316

And their goal seems to be that somethings are not told. ..nt dougolat Jul 2015 #317

Or sites are not linked to nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #318

DURec leftstreet Jul 2015 #323

Jean Seberg and the War on Terror Octafish Jul 2015 #447

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #329

Most important thing I've learned on DU: George Herbert Walker Bush in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Jul 2015 #405

WOW !!! - Bookmarked !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #411

Godwin Hyperbole much? nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #331

No, not if you know history. Ask Hannah Arendt. Octafish Jul 2015 #347

I am proud to reveal Mira Jul 2015 #342

Thank you for sharing that wonderful connection, Mira. Octafish Jul 2015 #344

Thank you for your reply Mira Jul 2015 #354

There have been some great articles on counterpunch over the years Gothmog Jul 2015 #351

There really have. Octafish Jul 2015 #440

One might think this thread is edhopper Jul 2015 #353

One might. Octafish Jul 2015 #355

You see edhopper Jul 2015 #356

Speaking of Crack: Washington Post’s Slimy Assault on Gary Webb Octafish Jul 2015 #357

That's good edhopper Jul 2015 #371

So what? Where did the media fall-in when the story broke in 1996? Octafish Jul 2015 #375

Tell me more about the group that took down edhopper Jul 2015 #377

I've spent enough time helping you, edhopper. Octafish Jul 2015 #378

Oh! edhopper Jul 2015 #394

No the demands are the reason I answered that way. Octafish Jul 2015 #396

Watt? edhopper Jul 2015 #397

You are toxic as well. Maedhros Jul 2015 #502

My first ignore! edhopper Jul 2015 #510

You left out RT daredtowork Jul 2015 #367

Good point. It was also mentioned upthread. Here's why even Putinasta-filled RT matters... Octafish Jul 2015 #376

Colleen Rowley was one of Time's Persons of the Year in 2002... SidDithers Jul 2015 #380

Is your name daredtowork, too? Octafish Jul 2015 #386

But octafish of DU, I was merely pointing out... SidDithers Jul 2015 #393

Yeah, that must be why daredtowork didn't answer. Octafish Jul 2015 #395

I was afk and now I'm confused about claims Sid is me? Huh? daredtowork Jul 2015 #410

SidDithers responded to a question I posed you. Octafish Jul 2015 #412

I think people should read/watch whatever they want with a critical eye daredtowork Jul 2015 #413

Thank you! I don't want you to think what I think. I want you to think for yourself. Octafish Jul 2015 #430

Glad (and amazed) my age comes off as so ambiguous! nt daredtowork Jul 2015 #442

Alex Jones' favorite mouthpiece! Major Nikon Jul 2015 #389

K&R #112 Many are responsive to their perception managers, others are employees brother. n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #381

DU owes a great deal of gratitude to you, bobthedrummer... Octafish Jul 2015 #383

...! KoKo Jul 2015 #388

...! zappaman Jul 2015 #404

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #415

We close our eyes, we never lose the game... SidDithers Jul 2015 #417

Ewww. zappaman Jul 2015 #426

C'mon... SidDithers Jul 2015 #427

Perhaps you should go west! zappaman Jul 2015 #424

Censorship is un-Democratic. Octafish Jul 2015 #428

Sorry, but your buddy left the building. zappaman Jul 2015 #429

Does that mean his or her rec disappears, too? Octafish Jul 2015 #431

Not sure if recs by trolls stay. zappaman Jul 2015 #432

Not important enough to take up their time. Octafish Jul 2015 #433

!!! zappaman Jul 2015 #434

UBS Octafish Jul 2015 #438

You mean IBS? zappaman Jul 2015 #439

No, UBS. You should know the Swiss bank received at least $100 billion from US taxpayers. Octafish Jul 2015 #441

Sorry your script hasn't sold. zappaman Jul 2015 #443

Kick, Octafish. Thank you again. polly7 Jul 2015 #436

Beware Cass Sunstein, who explained why DoJ must let Bush and Cheney off the hook, all legal-like. Octafish Jul 2015 #451

DU is already absurdly insular, conforming will just make it a mouthpiece. NuttyFluffers Jul 2015 #446

That's about the only reason worth putting up with the abuse of asshats and the emoticon army. Octafish Jul 2015 #452

Well they are entertaining to us that have been here the longest. Rex Jul 2015 #454

*You* have made the years fly by, Rex. Octafish Jul 2015 #460

They can try and omit history, but fail to remember humans are curious by nature. Rex Jul 2015 #468

^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #479

I like to pretend the popularity of a website is simple conspiracy too LanternWaste Jul 2015 #461

Wish I said something when the asshats and emoticon brigade went after Will Pitt. Octafish Jul 2015 #462

Thought police swarming Will Pitt as we speak. JEB Jul 2015 #464

Nothing says ''Democracy'' like SHUT UP! Octafish Jul 2015 #465

I dread to imagine JEB Jul 2015 #466

What is the common thread? Octafish Jul 2015 #477

#123 robertpaulsen Jul 2015 #472

Something never on TV: Nixon assigned a murderous Secret Service agent to protect Ted Kennedy. Octafish Jul 2015 #482

Shocking, yet fits perfectly with what we know of Nixon's paranoid tendencies. robertpaulsen Jul 2015 #509

You know.. not every opinion is equal. X_Digger Jul 2015 #484

Both sides, like the time the New York Times did what CIA wanted? Octafish Jul 2015 #489

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #496

Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press Octafish Jul 2015 #499

Thank you for the kind words, Octafish. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #513

then they came for the twitters, but I did not tweet nt HFRN Jul 2015 #501

What if they come for your retirement? Whatchagonnado? Octafish Jul 2015 #503

Rec ced as usual. Thanks Octa. Mc Mike Jul 2015 #511

Wall Street and War Inc. are where the really Big Bucks go to get made. Octafish Aug 2015 #536

Thanks for the links. All the info is excellent. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #540

Wikileaks showed State Department wheeler dealing, too. Octafish Aug 2015 #541

Everything for sale. Including national security. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #542

It's been 10 days...have they come for anyone? brooklynite Aug 2015 #517

''...or are we just talking about criticism you happen to disagree with?'' Octafish Aug 2015 #519

Who wants to shut them down? brooklynite Aug 2015 #521

As far as I can tell, all of those sites are still up. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #520

Checking in... NuclearDem Aug 2015 #524

When it comes to the point, you really are there. Octafish Aug 2015 #528

I would have thought given the truly grave threat against CN and CP NuclearDem Aug 2015 #530

Where did I post ''Holocaust nonsense'' that ''was just tasteless hyperbole'' NuclearDem? Octafish Aug 2015 #537

Invoking Rev. Niemoller after someone said something not nice about CP or CN NuclearDem Aug 2015 #538

Seeing how I didn't write anything anti-Semitic, that makes your statement false, NuclearDem. Octafish Aug 2015 #539

Well, it's been a couple of weeks Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #526

The worst kind of flies are drawn to shit. Octafish Aug 2015 #527

By all means, keep posting Parry's stuff to your heart's content Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #534

No offense, but I don't recall you proving Parry wrong about anything. Octafish Aug 2015 #535

Which must pi** you off because elias49 Aug 2015 #531

"prone to censorship" NuclearDem Aug 2015 #532

I ignore and insult Parry because he's wrong on everything these days... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #533