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392. Again, I'm giving you reality, and you're ignoring it

Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:03 PM

Jul 2015

If you scream about "nukes", when we're talking about generalized nuclear power, radiation medicine, use of nuclear isotopes in spacecraft, all of which are not a single thing, then it's obvious you don't understand what you're criticizing.

If you (and people like you) scream that every nuclear reactor is a "nuke" that is unsafe, no matter what, then people simply start rolling their eyes, and ignoring everything you have to say.

Get enough luddite screamers, screaming, and pretty soon you make it easy for people running power plants to dismiss the warnings of actual nuclear experts about actual dangers - as just more incoherent, illogical, emotional, ignorant, screaming. Which is exactly what happened in Fukishima.

By the way, this attitude of yours is prevalent in other places as well. People who don't bother to notice that it's Republicans that are screwing up the economy, but just blame "politicians", and "politics", are the reason why Republicans win.

Nuclear power has less inherent danger to it, and has caused tens if not hundreds of thousands of times less environmental destruction and human health problems, than combustive power generation. Period. If you want to pretend that's not true, there is really no further point to this discussion.

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First they came for ConsortiumNews, and I did not speak out— [View all] Octafish Jul 2015 OP

K&R! marym625 Jul 2015 #1

When Money is Speech... Octafish Jul 2015 #9

Hilarious thread. Thank you for raising the alarm uhnope Jul 2015 #102

He has managed to piss off the right people RobertEarl Jul 2015 #115

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #421

Bartcop was awesome 90-percent Jul 2015 #112

What Skinner wrote about Bartcop... Octafish Jul 2015 #133

I'm one of those who came here via BartCop Oilwellian Jul 2015 #215

"When Money is Speech..." and "Money Trumps Peace" (GWB).. there, I fixed that for you... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #124

Thank you for the kind correction. Octafish Jul 2015 #138

"Thank you for standing up for the good fight, Ghost in the Machine." Thank YOU, Octafish.... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #418

Excellent post. newthinking Jul 2015 #504

You're right about people waking up to the manipulation. I USED to think that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #512

OMG marym625 Jul 2015 #224

Consortium News? Really? MineralMan Jul 2015 #2

No, ConsortiumNews is an excellent resource. For example, Ray McGovern on matters of high treason... Octafish Jul 2015 #14

That's just horse patooty. That story was WIDELY carried in the "regular" news media. MADem Jul 2015 #86

How about The New York Times? Wall Street Journal? ABC? CNN? CBS? NBC? Octafish Jul 2015 #98

You can do your own homework--but here, let me show you just how MISTAKEN you are.... MADem Jul 2015 #103

slam dunk. I wonder if that will cause ANY pause at all uhnope Jul 2015 #110

What diatribe of BS, uhnope? Octafish Jul 2015 #116

um, this whole thread. And the post we are talking about, were BS posts uhnope Jul 2015 #127

So, you can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Jul 2015 #156

Hardly... SidDithers Jul 2015 #126

Like clockwork: ad hominem and SidDithers of DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #159

You promote writers like Israel Shamir and Christopher Bollyn at DU... SidDithers Jul 2015 #161

Where did I promote them? Octafish Jul 2015 #163

And some would alert, hide, lock and censor everyone that doesn't march to the "correct" rhett o rick Jul 2015 #206

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #208

Perfect. That emoticon really says it all. When all else fails you, ridicule. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #209

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #212

A typical response from this site's hifiguy Jul 2015 #312

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #313

You got that right! polly7 Jul 2015 #322

Before Chomsky, Wittgenstein recognized the strategy. Octafish Jul 2015 #243

There must be a shortage of straw in your area treestar Jul 2015 #246

Results: bravenak Jul 2015 #227

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #230

Awesome... SidDithers Jul 2015 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jul 2015 #334

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #419

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #420

I doubt it--it will be pivot-turn-change subject. Anything save confront that his beloved website MADem Jul 2015 #387

How does that refute what I wrote? Octafish Jul 2015 #114

Oh, I see. Now they don't count because they didn't "make a dent" uhnope Jul 2015 #125

No. Because they didn't mention Petraeus got off easy compared to CIA and Pentagon whistleblowers. Octafish Jul 2015 #134

oh, so they don't editorialize in their news articles & that makes them bad uhnope Jul 2015 #141

I just showed you where you were wrong. Octafish Jul 2015 #155

fuck Ray McGovern the anti-Semite uhnope Jul 2015 #111

Promoting yet ANOTHER anti-Semite on DU? zappaman Jul 2015 #130

Not exactly what he said, uhnope, but when you're smearing someone, that's the point. Octafish Jul 2015 #146

go ahead, double-down on your support for an anti-Semite uhnope Jul 2015 #147

Do you guys have a name for this tactic? It isn't very politically liberal. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #210

Not very Democratic. Tactic reminds me of this... Octafish Jul 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jul 2015 #333

There it is.................. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #350

"facist state media RT"? JonLP24 Jul 2015 #319

Thanks to Octafish and Robert Parry 1norcal Jul 2015 #118

Consortium News ROCKS! John Poet Jul 2015 #136

Gary Webb Too 1norcal Jul 2015 #144

I have the bfee trilogy. really good stuff. Doctor_J Jul 2015 #506

Yes, Consortium New Absolutely doxyluv13 Jul 2015 #89

I see. MineralMan Jul 2015 #95

So everyone who questions Washington is a Putinista? Octafish Jul 2015 #99

When did I say anything of the sort, Octafish? MineralMan Jul 2015 #105

The Russian writing. Octafish Jul 2015 #109

How so? No more so than the association MineralMan Jul 2015 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jul 2015 #336

Tie a chicken on the misbehaving dogs neck .... PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #121

Not sure if serious... Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #178

Prove it. grasswire Jul 2015 #221

That's the thing... MattSh Jul 2015 #232

''The Media of the 1%'' Octafish Jul 2015 #244

So what would you recommend? MattSh Jul 2015 #231

Let's see, ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch could disappear tomorrow and I would toast the fact Godhumor Jul 2015 #3

Same here leftynyc Jul 2015 #6

+ 1. "News" for the hopelessly gullible. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #12

Sorry you feel that way. In particular, I don't like some of the things I've read on CounterPunch. Octafish Jul 2015 #23

Well, that's exactly what the OP is referring to reorg Jul 2015 #184

And this thread is exactly what I am referring to Godhumor Jul 2015 #188

Which news outlets do you support? nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #207

Here they come. Octafish. grasswire Jul 2015 #223

Oh yes, they're so persecuted Godhumor Jul 2015 #239

Haters gotta hate, right? Octafish Jul 2015 #352

Well, enjoy the mainsteam media then. MattSh Jul 2015 #233

You left out naturalnews and enenews hobbit709 Jul 2015 #4

And god forbid we forget WSWS or FDL Godhumor Jul 2015 #5

Wow, you're toxic. Maedhros Jul 2015 #500

Shame. I enjoy you posts. Godhumor Jul 2015 #505

What's your problem with enenews? It's a great source for news on nuclear energy FourScore Jul 2015 #11

You believe in the Easter Bunny too? hobbit709 Jul 2015 #15

Why are you being rude? Can't you just answer the question? FourScore Jul 2015 #22

They have about as much real credibility as Donald Trump hobbit709 Jul 2015 #26

They don't write anything. They just link to other nuclear industry articles. FourScore Jul 2015 #28

So on one hand you're claiming the nuclear industry has credibility hobbit709 Jul 2015 #32

Ugh. Now you're mincing words. They link to articles ABOUT the nuclear industry. FourScore Jul 2015 #45

That wasn't what you said. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #69

they always try to confuse issues and words heaven05 Jul 2015 #74

Thank you. n/t FourScore Jul 2015 #234

That is not at all true FBaggins Jul 2015 #33

They post the paragraph or two of interest to them and link to the article. FourScore Jul 2015 #47

no heaven05 Jul 2015 #71

It's not a great source at all. MineralMan Jul 2015 #36

since when is advocacy bad? As for bias - FourScore Jul 2015 #53

Advocacy is good. Slanting information by selective MineralMan Jul 2015 #61

ENEnews is one sided RobertEarl Jul 2015 #150

Truth is complex. Only telling part of the truth is not telling the truth. MineralMan Jul 2015 #158

Including this truth: coal ash adds vastly more environmental radioactivity than nuclear waste ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #228

Does that include Plutonium? Octafish Jul 2015 #283

Plutonium is used in power generation ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #320

Sure about that? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #324

Because its less expensive to use uranium than to reprocess plutonium ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #326

You have no sense of the reality of nukes RobertEarl Jul 2015 #362

Fukushima is a classic example of what I'm talking about ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #370

There you go denying reality again RobertEarl Jul 2015 #374

Again, I'm giving you reality, and you're ignoring it ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #392

Heh RobertEarl Jul 2015 #444

ENENEWS is doing better reporting on Fukushima than the for-profit media. Octafish Jul 2015 #30

I can't help it if you believe in antiscience. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #39

Exactly. n/t FourScore Jul 2015 #54

Wow, what a way to dumb down a famous and profound quote. zappaman Jul 2015 #7

Speaking of dumbed-down, I don't remember you ever posting about the NAZIs on DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #41

I don't compare analysis of a website that hosts anti-Semites zappaman Jul 2015 #49

Nice try. Show where you post at all on the subject on DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #83

I have no idea why you promote the writings of anti-Semites zappaman Jul 2015 #87

So you go ad hominem as you have nothing to back you up. Octafish Jul 2015 #153

Yes, Old friend. Everyone CAN see this thread. zappaman Jul 2015 #164

Show where I'm wrong on what I post and I'll apologize. Octafish Jul 2015 #171

You aren't helping your 'case' with posts like that, you know..... MADem Jul 2015 #97

What case? Those are the facts. Octafish Jul 2015 #359

Thanks for the info and links. nilesobek Jul 2015 #507

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #422

Hurry! Maybe you can get to 10 before MIRT nukes you yet again...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #423

Welcome to DU. zappaman Jul 2015 #425

Come down off that cross, we can use the wood for something useful. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #8

Thank you for saying it so eloquently DonViejo Jul 2015 #10

Wow! You, a forum host, applaud me being compared to a fascist apologist? Octafish Jul 2015 #16

Forum hosts are also DUers. They are free to express their opinions on MineralMan Jul 2015 #24

Yep, I applaud the statement.... DonViejo Jul 2015 #29

That makes me wonder why some posts are taken down and some allowed to stand. Octafish Jul 2015 #50

Hosts do not "take down" posts. They can only lock OPs that MineralMan Jul 2015 #66

Consensus of all 30? Or just those who happen to be around? Octafish Jul 2015 #81

All 30 hosts are never online at the same time. MineralMan Jul 2015 #88

Thank you! Octafish Jul 2015 #96

You have it exactly right, Octafish. FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #192

Speak English, Dammit! This is America! MineralMan Jul 2015 #51

+1 freshwest Jul 2015 #137

He can't... FBaggins Jul 2015 #17

That is so witty. Octafish Jul 2015 #453

Just pointing out your decade-long defense of Parry's psychotic break from reality FBaggins Jul 2015 #498

It's shameful. You nailed it. zappaman Jul 2015 #20

+lots (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #40

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #52

I thought the thread was a spoof till I'd read a few posts. okasha Jul 2015 #193

Nailed it. This OP is incredible. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #245

Incredible like the time the Tag Team got all worked up for me quoting a banned DUer? Octafish Jul 2015 #248

You mean where you cited a DUer banned for Holocaust denial to prove that another Holocaust denier msanthrope Jul 2015 #249

You mean the DUer banned for holocaust denial that was referred to as zappaman Jul 2015 #256

I'm fucking floored that the very simple message "Stop citing Holocaust deniers" msanthrope Jul 2015 #258

I wonder why? zappaman Jul 2015 #260

I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity...... msanthrope Jul 2015 #261

To what do you ascribe your condescension? Octafish Jul 2015 #264

it fucking floors me that you are upset about condescension.... msanthrope Jul 2015 #265

Where do I promote anti-Semitism? Octafish Jul 2015 #270

I didn't claim you promoted anti-Semitism.....I said you cited Holocaust deniers. msanthrope Jul 2015 #271

It's what you just wrote, msanthrope. Octafish Jul 2015 #273

Quote the post where I wrote that. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #274

261. ''I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity......'' Octafish Jul 2015 #280

You must have quoted the wrong post. zappaman Jul 2015 #282

Octa, I'm referring to your citation of Holocaust deniers. msanthrope Jul 2015 #289

Or using a quote about the holocaust zappaman Jul 2015 #291

That's a smear by association, msanthrope. Octafish Jul 2015 #463

Then alert.....and any juror can Google your username, my username, and "shamir" msanthrope Jul 2015 #469

Just show where I did any of that. No need to repeat it. Octafish Jul 2015 #470

How difficult is it to tell the truth? reorg Jul 2015 #481

Thank you for proving that what was posted was in fact, correctly translated bullshit. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #495

I realize you don't want to hear about Assange and Wikileaks reorg Jul 2015 #497

Are you actually defending Shamir's article? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #508

Are you actually disputing what was reported? n/t reorg Aug 2015 #523

There you go again. zappaman Jul 2015 #276

Even with an OP that compares outing a site that hosts anti-Semites zappaman Jul 2015 #275

You got me there...... seriously I want to take the Op and the reccers msanthrope Jul 2015 #292

Or a form of dementia perhaps. uhnope Jul 2015 #281

Yeah. It's like being crazy about assholes, uhnope. Octafish Jul 2015 #286

Are you talking to the voices in your head? uhnope Jul 2015 #473

I thought that's what you meant. Octafish Jul 2015 #475

You are wrong, NuclearDem. Octafish Jul 2015 #382

Who's "coming for" Consortium News? Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #13

The Stonecutters. sufrommich Jul 2015 #19

Nobody is. Many, however, question MineralMan Jul 2015 #21

Is there something wrong with looking at all points of view? Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #152

You should do what you wish to do. MineralMan Jul 2015 #157

"Is there something wrong with looking at all points of view?" EX500rider Jul 2015 #494

More importantly, who is "coming for" DU? femmocrat Jul 2015 #35

Nobody's "coming for" any of them. MineralMan Jul 2015 #38

Thanks! femmocrat Jul 2015 #44

DUers. Octafish Jul 2015 #48

Excellent advice, Octafish. MineralMan Jul 2015 #78

Puerile. Octafish Jul 2015 #85

It's Purell. zappaman Jul 2015 #90

It's Tag Team. Octafish Jul 2015 #94

The call goes out and they come running. Emboldened by their friends. Not offering rhett o rick Jul 2015 #338

Jury results: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #339

Thanks for posting. This is supposed to be a politically liberal message board rhett o rick Jul 2015 #340

There should be a tougher penalty for bullshit alerts. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #341

It's like arguing with creationists. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #343

Not really. Creationists go by one source, the Bible. Octafish Jul 2015 #360

That's the opinion of one DUer. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #82

Harold Pinter: Truth, War and the Big Lie Octafish Jul 2015 #92

No, of course not. And as far as I know Counterpunch hasn't been "banned." The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #106

I was on a jury last night BainsBane Jul 2015 #117

There should be a law against paraphrasing Niemöller. Brickbat Jul 2015 #18

First, they came for those who paraphrased Niemöller, and I did not speak out.... (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #43

That would be unconstitutional. Octafish Jul 2015 #59

It's like you think I meant that literally. Brickbat Jul 2015 #73

See Sid's #68 below... stevenleser Jul 2015 #76

yeah, wow. Maybe we should back off? Because they might really be clinical, literally (!) uhnope Jul 2015 #160

Wow... SidDithers Jul 2015 #25

Unbelievable, ain't it? zappaman Jul 2015 #27

I guess when you've invested so much time defending the likes of Paul Craig Roberts... SidDithers Jul 2015 #34

Wow! Caretha Jul 2015 #328

The amount of times he jumps the shark, well, we should nickname him Fonzie. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #60

Yeah... SidDithers Jul 2015 #67

The neverending drama of DU: freshwest Jul 2015 #143

NAZIs believe in censorship. Why do you? Octafish Jul 2015 #65

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #68

It's almost like he did it right on cue. Few comedians have that kind of timing... stevenleser Jul 2015 #75

His timing is impeccable.... SidDithers Jul 2015 #84

First they came for Glenn Greenwald... Octafish Jul 2015 #77

Glenn Beck may be a more appropriate name to drop in this context... NuclearDem Jul 2015 #80

Nobody "came for" him, either. As far as I know he's still free The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #107

Mr. Godwin? Is that you? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #72

Discussing the quality and bias of news sources on DU isn't censorship. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #79

It's not just Nazis but authoritarians of all strips zeemike Jul 2015 #128

Bold? Hardly... dogknob Jul 2015 #145

It's neither a poem nor was it ever written down, reorg Jul 2015 #183

Hah! Good ones... druidity33 Jul 2015 #205

I think someone needs to clean up his Wiki Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #31

Niemoeller was a patriot. Octafish Jul 2015 #287

You forgot to mention globalresearch.ca (nt) TacoD Jul 2015 #37

Can find Peter Dale Scott's writing there... Octafish Jul 2015 #217

Seriously? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #42

Really. I hate NAZIs. So does ConsortiumNews. So did Rev. Niemöller. Octafish Jul 2015 #455

Yes, 6+ Million dead is exactly like people pointing out holes in your favored media's stories. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #46

Exactly. zappaman Jul 2015 #55

How did you get that? ConsortiumNews is the antidote for NAZI ideology. Octafish Jul 2015 #358

You are claiming that people disliking your media choice is the holocaust. jeff47 Jul 2015 #488

No, you have no idea what you're blathering about reorg Jul 2015 #490

:facepalm: jeff47 Jul 2015 #491

the subject is censorship and YOU are trying to change it n/t reorg Jul 2015 #492

For posterity... SidDithers Jul 2015 #56

Right...like he would have the decency to delete this garbage of an OP. zappaman Jul 2015 #57

15 DUers have already rec'd this abominable pile of tripe. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #58

It is baffling Godhumor Jul 2015 #63

Honestly BainsBane Jul 2015 #123

There is something very Quijote-esque to his pronouncements stevenleser Jul 2015 #100

I'm loving this thread BainsBane Jul 2015 #120

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes. Octafish Jul 2015 #459

Here's an approved site! Teamster Jeff Jul 2015 #62

The Flock of Money Octafish Jul 2015 #64

Yeah, it's cited all the time BainsBane Jul 2015 #122

Lol. That's quite a stretch don't hurt yourself Teamster Jeff Jul 2015 #139

Are you saying you haven't seen that? BainsBane Jul 2015 #140

Idea from the approved site: Zorra Jul 2015 #480

First they came for the passive-aggressive, and I did not speak out. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #70

Then they didn't. kwassa Jul 2015 #238

Good! Cause those peeps are annoying! nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #330

I'd want to hear what you said, even if you disagreed with me. Octafish Jul 2015 #467

first they came for those who criticized consortium news fishwax Jul 2015 #91

And that's putting it lightly! zappaman Jul 2015 #93

Does CounterPunch's publishing right wing authors mean we can not trust their left wing writers? Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #101

CounterPunch has good and bad, some stuff I read, most I like I skim, and lots I skip. Octafish Jul 2015 #303

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #104

You are most welcome, Enthusiast! For Gary Webb and Media Manipulation, from Beverly Bandler... Octafish Jul 2015 #346

+1, thank you for that. One has to wonder about the current heroin epidemic. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #349

And the meth epidemic. Octafish Jul 2015 #363

So much sounds so familiar, so often, that it has become deja vu all over again, again. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #399

First they came for Octafish... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #108

And I laughed... Octafish Jul 2015 #142

I sometimes wonder if this is performance art Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #162

I have wondered that myself. zappaman Jul 2015 #165

I dunno. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #167

No, I post because I want to preserve Democracy. Octafish Jul 2015 #166

I believe in science Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #168

So it should be easy to show where I post any of that. Octafish Jul 2015 #172

See here... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #173

So, you can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Jul 2015 #175

This thread is a prime example. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #179

You know he is going to now use that against you in the future as you admitting to being a paid stevenleser Jul 2015 #181

Yeah, I've seen the barage against you for appearing on Fox News... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #182

Show where I do that to '''win' arguments,'' stevenleser. Octafish Jul 2015 #189

When ad hominem is all you have, you don't have anything. Octafish Jul 2015 #185

Hey, you're just making me money here... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #204

Speaking of which... zappaman Jul 2015 #214

No, but does that surprise you? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #237

This thread is all kinds of awesome... SidDithers Jul 2015 #119

Very well could give the Dr. Oz thread a run for its money. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #129

It may end up becomming as legendary as Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #177

Bush's 'Perception Management' Plan Octafish Jul 2015 #390

Uh... Android3.14 Jul 2015 #131

How so? Can you be more ambiguous? TIA! Octafish Jul 2015 #456

Were you sincere in offering your apology? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #478

I'm puzzled -- Consortium News is still there... brooklynite Jul 2015 #132

Are you really puzzled or are you using that as a rhetorical device? Octafish Jul 2015 #457

Ah, now I remember where I've seen this before. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #135

Why post Glenn Beck NAZI crap on DU, NuclearDem? Octafish Jul 2015 #458

You didn't actually watch the video, did you? NuclearDem Jul 2015 #471

Why waste my time? Octafish Jul 2015 #476

You're buddies with Lewis Black? zappaman Jul 2015 #483

You monitor every post I write? Octafish Jul 2015 #485

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #486

It helps when you want to know what you're talking about. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #487

To be fair, it's easier to just make things up. zappaman Jul 2015 #493

That's classic! tammywammy Jul 2015 #474

This is some kind of guerrilla avant garde performance, right Godhumor Jul 2015 #149

You would think so. The kinds of issues one would need to have... Well... Lest... stevenleser Jul 2015 #240

This is a good exercise... CanSocDem Jul 2015 #151

Democracy is one idea worth defending, no matter what. Octafish Jul 2015 #278

Wow, is the stupid multiplying? Hydra Jul 2015 #154

It's all going according to GOP-NAZI plan exposed in 1988... Octafish Jul 2015 #203

Great thread, Octafish. polly7 Jul 2015 #169

Right wingers on his Secret Service detail said they wouldn't protect JFK. Octafish Jul 2015 #199

Wow. polly7 Jul 2015 #321

Only ~20 more recs to get this to the front page of DU! TacoD Jul 2015 #170

It's like a popularity contest at the Grand Jury. Octafish Jul 2015 #201

I'd hide my face with a hat too if I authored zappaman Jul 2015 #202

History is on your side, huh, zappaman? Octafish Jul 2015 #219

Dupe Octafish Jul 2015 #220

K&R of pissing off all the Right people! Rex Jul 2015 #174

They live happily in the times Frank Church warned us about. Octafish Jul 2015 #197

Did I miss something? What happened to ConsortiumNews? Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #176

Nazis.... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #180

Some DUers seem to want ConsortiumNews censored as a news source. Octafish Jul 2015 #194

Well Parry's "useful idiot" schtik aside, Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #195

Anything to say about what Parry wrote, Blue Tires? Octafish Jul 2015 #198

I've easily refuted his Ukraine stuff in previous threads...Search away Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #222

Great, but Parry reported Team PNAC, not President Obama, who push for war in Ukraine. Octafish Jul 2015 #241

So you truly believe Nuland is a rogue Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #514

Truly, that is a great question. Octafish Jul 2015 #515

Calling Blue. Come in Blue. elias49 Aug 2015 #525

We got a possible Code 666 Violation. Octafish Aug 2015 #529

Care to revisit this now? Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #543

I must say this whole thread is fuckin' gold in 2018... Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #544

What? No RT? Might as well get them all in there. nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #186

RT airs interviews with former SEC regulator William K Black, whom the Bush-Obama DoJs ignored. Octafish Jul 2015 #191

Then there's this... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #251

That's not William K. Black, though. Ever hear of Russell Tice? Octafish Jul 2015 #272

I'm sure whatever you think is happening is JUST LIKE THE HOLOCAUST!!11 REP Jul 2015 #187

That must be why I posted: Who enabled NAZI Germany to round up the Jews? Think IBM. Octafish Jul 2015 #190

"Trashing ConsortiumNews is just like gassing millions of innocent folk!" struggle4progress Jul 2015 #196

No. ConsortiumNews sheds light on those responsible for the Holocaust. Octafish Jul 2015 #200

... tammywammy Jul 2015 #211

Kinda affirms what you always suspected... zappaman Jul 2015 #216

I might have missed something dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #213

You may be correct, as CN and CP post articles critical of politicians. Octafish Jul 2015 #408

Didn't know about the DU - Parry link dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #445

Henry Gonzalez: A Great American...was ready to fight E Howard Hunt, mano a mano. Octafish Jul 2015 #448

Yes, Gonzalez was truly heroic dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #449

Know Your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam Octafish Jul 2015 #450

Thanks dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #516

April Glaspie affair exposes pro- anti-BFEE divisions within the Establishment. Octafish Aug 2015 #518

I think that is why the message coming from 3 channels said something to me dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #522

First they came for surprise... Dr. Strange Jul 2015 #225

You win! zappaman Jul 2015 #226

And so we all lose when such ridicule and name calling... dougolat Jul 2015 #236

K&R CrawlingChaos Jul 2015 #229

Why All This Matters: Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception Octafish Jul 2015 #269

I can't say this often enough Octafish CrawlingChaos Jul 2015 #325

I have been listing internet media that people should follow instead of the TV and JDPriestly Jul 2015 #235

I put that principle in action when I remember what Gen. George S. Patton said long ago... Octafish Jul 2015 #263

Another insightful quote to hold close these days. seafan Jul 2015 #242

Thank you, seafan! That is one of the great Democratic quotes of all time. Octafish Jul 2015 #253

I guess there's no hope we'll ever find out the truth about chemtrails and UFOs Major Nikon Jul 2015 #247

Because nothing says ''Democracy'' like Secret Government. Octafish Jul 2015 #250

Are you kidding? I love your UFO posts Major Nikon Jul 2015 #252

You think associating me with them somehow damages my reputation? I stand behind them. Octafish Jul 2015 #255

No, frequently promoting anti-Semitic writers and this OP... zappaman Jul 2015 #257

Are you speaking for Major Nikon, now? Octafish Jul 2015 #268

You are being Un-Democratic! Major Nikon Jul 2015 #299

Well apparently... zappaman Jul 2015 #302

No, I think they are hilarious Major Nikon Jul 2015 #294

Great. What entertains you, others may find informative. Octafish Jul 2015 #295

I don't think you understand Major Nikon Jul 2015 #296

Well, coming from you, that really means something. Octafish Jul 2015 #297

It means I think your UFO posts are hilarious Major Nikon Jul 2015 #300

A USAF guy I met mentioned he'd lose his pension if he answered my question about UFOs. Octafish Jul 2015 #304

I'm surprised they didn't use an EMP weapon on him just for saying that much Major Nikon Jul 2015 #306

!!! zappaman Jul 2015 #307

EMP? So primitive. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #332

Ah, the unnamed anonymous USAF guy. What command and unit was he in? What was his job? nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #348

Why would I tell you something told to me in confidence? Octafish Jul 2015 #361

Because those wouldn't identify him since he is retired, right? stevenleser Jul 2015 #366

Thanks for the UFO lesson. You make a logical fallacy, however. Octafish Jul 2015 #368

Nope, those are pretty much the only guys who would know stevenleser Jul 2015 #369

So they would break their secrecy oaths for SCI? Octafish Jul 2015 #372

Well that's your claim isn't it? That one of them told you something that broke their stevenleser Jul 2015 #398

I didn't claim anything. I explained why I said what I did. Octafish Jul 2015 #403

and boom goes the dynamite...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #373

No, it was a cigar. And it blew up in your face, SidDithers of DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #379

That's gonna leave a mark. zappaman Jul 2015 #385

Yeah, dude. ''Trolling is a art.'' -- SidDithers of DU to zappaman Octafish Jul 2015 #400

You better believe it! zappaman Jul 2015 #401

If that's the best you got, wow. Octafish Jul 2015 #407

If that's the best you got... zappaman Jul 2015 #409

No, actually. Here's how Rupert Murdoch helped maneuver America into war on Iraq. Octafish Jul 2015 #414

I agree that tequila can be good for you. zappaman Jul 2015 #416

You've been reduced to babble. Octafish Jul 2015 #435

It has as much to do with the thread as the post I replied to except zappaman Jul 2015 #437

It's still online Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #259

Guess my post worked. Octafish Jul 2015 #267

Was it ever offline? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #277

If some DUers had their way, it would. Octafish Jul 2015 #279

Not true. zappaman Jul 2015 #284

No offense, I don't take your word on anything, zappaman. Octafish Jul 2015 #288

No, it wouldn't. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #293

Right, just Tag Team DU into submission. Octafish Jul 2015 #298

Propagandists are never wrong, and the people that say they are are just teaming up to silence them. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #301

No kidding. That's why I encourage people to read ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch... Octafish Jul 2015 #305

I'm sorry, but what military's basic training includes lessons on what is and isn't censorship? NuclearDem Jul 2015 #309

They worked it in between folding your drawers in a 6" square and making hospital corners Major Nikon Jul 2015 #310

Oh, so *that's* what they were shouting during drill... NuclearDem Jul 2015 #314

Well, the source was you. Octafish Jul 2015 #365

No, but you are yet again. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #406

Are you a veteran, my friend? zappaman Jul 2015 #315

Is your name Sarah Connor? Octafish Jul 2015 #364

So , that's a no then. zappaman Jul 2015 #384

What a lovely bunch of people responding to this OP. elias49 Jul 2015 #262

It does show. Octafish Jul 2015 #266

relentless harassers and cyberstalkers carolinayellowdog Jul 2015 #335

You do have to be careful around the Anti-Tacos... NuclearDem Jul 2015 #345

It certainly appears that some have it in for Octafish. JEB Jul 2015 #285

All the usual characters who have always run interference on those who dare ask questions. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2015 #290

yes, a veritable who's who grasswire Jul 2015 #308

What's their deal? Thinking people can read and decide for themselves. JEB Jul 2015 #327

not without the assistance of partisan thought police, they can't carolinayellowdog Jul 2015 #337

Yes. Don't ask questions because there is nothing to see here. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #402

KICK and effin REC!!! hifiguy Jul 2015 #311

NPR news chiefs deny they knew of Army interns Octafish Jul 2015 #391

White I would not necessarily agree with the analogy nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #316

And their goal seems to be that somethings are not told. ..nt dougolat Jul 2015 #317

Or sites are not linked to nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #318

DURec leftstreet Jul 2015 #323

Jean Seberg and the War on Terror Octafish Jul 2015 #447

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #329

Most important thing I've learned on DU: George Herbert Walker Bush in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Jul 2015 #405

WOW !!! - Bookmarked !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #411

Godwin Hyperbole much? nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #331

No, not if you know history. Ask Hannah Arendt. Octafish Jul 2015 #347

I am proud to reveal Mira Jul 2015 #342

Thank you for sharing that wonderful connection, Mira. Octafish Jul 2015 #344

Thank you for your reply Mira Jul 2015 #354

There have been some great articles on counterpunch over the years Gothmog Jul 2015 #351

There really have. Octafish Jul 2015 #440

One might think this thread is edhopper Jul 2015 #353

One might. Octafish Jul 2015 #355

You see edhopper Jul 2015 #356

Speaking of Crack: Washington Post’s Slimy Assault on Gary Webb Octafish Jul 2015 #357

That's good edhopper Jul 2015 #371

So what? Where did the media fall-in when the story broke in 1996? Octafish Jul 2015 #375

Tell me more about the group that took down edhopper Jul 2015 #377

I've spent enough time helping you, edhopper. Octafish Jul 2015 #378

Oh! edhopper Jul 2015 #394

No the demands are the reason I answered that way. Octafish Jul 2015 #396

Watt? edhopper Jul 2015 #397

You are toxic as well. Maedhros Jul 2015 #502

My first ignore! edhopper Jul 2015 #510

You left out RT daredtowork Jul 2015 #367

Good point. It was also mentioned upthread. Here's why even Putinasta-filled RT matters... Octafish Jul 2015 #376

Colleen Rowley was one of Time's Persons of the Year in 2002... SidDithers Jul 2015 #380

Is your name daredtowork, too? Octafish Jul 2015 #386

But octafish of DU, I was merely pointing out... SidDithers Jul 2015 #393

Yeah, that must be why daredtowork didn't answer. Octafish Jul 2015 #395

I was afk and now I'm confused about claims Sid is me? Huh? daredtowork Jul 2015 #410

SidDithers responded to a question I posed you. Octafish Jul 2015 #412

I think people should read/watch whatever they want with a critical eye daredtowork Jul 2015 #413

Thank you! I don't want you to think what I think. I want you to think for yourself. Octafish Jul 2015 #430

Glad (and amazed) my age comes off as so ambiguous! nt daredtowork Jul 2015 #442

Alex Jones' favorite mouthpiece! Major Nikon Jul 2015 #389

K&R #112 Many are responsive to their perception managers, others are employees brother. n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #381

DU owes a great deal of gratitude to you, bobthedrummer... Octafish Jul 2015 #383

...! KoKo Jul 2015 #388

...! zappaman Jul 2015 #404

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #415

We close our eyes, we never lose the game... SidDithers Jul 2015 #417

Ewww. zappaman Jul 2015 #426

C'mon... SidDithers Jul 2015 #427

Perhaps you should go west! zappaman Jul 2015 #424

Censorship is un-Democratic. Octafish Jul 2015 #428

Sorry, but your buddy left the building. zappaman Jul 2015 #429

Does that mean his or her rec disappears, too? Octafish Jul 2015 #431

Not sure if recs by trolls stay. zappaman Jul 2015 #432

Not important enough to take up their time. Octafish Jul 2015 #433

!!! zappaman Jul 2015 #434

UBS Octafish Jul 2015 #438

You mean IBS? zappaman Jul 2015 #439

No, UBS. You should know the Swiss bank received at least $100 billion from US taxpayers. Octafish Jul 2015 #441

Sorry your script hasn't sold. zappaman Jul 2015 #443

Kick, Octafish. Thank you again. polly7 Jul 2015 #436

Beware Cass Sunstein, who explained why DoJ must let Bush and Cheney off the hook, all legal-like. Octafish Jul 2015 #451

DU is already absurdly insular, conforming will just make it a mouthpiece. NuttyFluffers Jul 2015 #446

That's about the only reason worth putting up with the abuse of asshats and the emoticon army. Octafish Jul 2015 #452

Well they are entertaining to us that have been here the longest. Rex Jul 2015 #454

*You* have made the years fly by, Rex. Octafish Jul 2015 #460

They can try and omit history, but fail to remember humans are curious by nature. Rex Jul 2015 #468

^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #479

I like to pretend the popularity of a website is simple conspiracy too LanternWaste Jul 2015 #461

Wish I said something when the asshats and emoticon brigade went after Will Pitt. Octafish Jul 2015 #462

Thought police swarming Will Pitt as we speak. JEB Jul 2015 #464

Nothing says ''Democracy'' like SHUT UP! Octafish Jul 2015 #465

I dread to imagine JEB Jul 2015 #466

What is the common thread? Octafish Jul 2015 #477

#123 robertpaulsen Jul 2015 #472

Something never on TV: Nixon assigned a murderous Secret Service agent to protect Ted Kennedy. Octafish Jul 2015 #482

Shocking, yet fits perfectly with what we know of Nixon's paranoid tendencies. robertpaulsen Jul 2015 #509

You know.. not every opinion is equal. X_Digger Jul 2015 #484

Both sides, like the time the New York Times did what CIA wanted? Octafish Jul 2015 #489

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #496

Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press Octafish Jul 2015 #499

Thank you for the kind words, Octafish. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #513

then they came for the twitters, but I did not tweet nt HFRN Jul 2015 #501

What if they come for your retirement? Whatchagonnado? Octafish Jul 2015 #503

Rec ced as usual. Thanks Octa. Mc Mike Jul 2015 #511

Wall Street and War Inc. are where the really Big Bucks go to get made. Octafish Aug 2015 #536

Thanks for the links. All the info is excellent. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #540

Wikileaks showed State Department wheeler dealing, too. Octafish Aug 2015 #541

Everything for sale. Including national security. Mc Mike Aug 2015 #542

It's been 10 days...have they come for anyone? brooklynite Aug 2015 #517

''...or are we just talking about criticism you happen to disagree with?'' Octafish Aug 2015 #519

Who wants to shut them down? brooklynite Aug 2015 #521

As far as I can tell, all of those sites are still up. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #520

Checking in... NuclearDem Aug 2015 #524

When it comes to the point, you really are there. Octafish Aug 2015 #528

I would have thought given the truly grave threat against CN and CP NuclearDem Aug 2015 #530

Where did I post ''Holocaust nonsense'' that ''was just tasteless hyperbole'' NuclearDem? Octafish Aug 2015 #537

Invoking Rev. Niemoller after someone said something not nice about CP or CN NuclearDem Aug 2015 #538

Seeing how I didn't write anything anti-Semitic, that makes your statement false, NuclearDem. Octafish Aug 2015 #539

Well, it's been a couple of weeks Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #526

The worst kind of flies are drawn to shit. Octafish Aug 2015 #527

By all means, keep posting Parry's stuff to your heart's content Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #534

No offense, but I don't recall you proving Parry wrong about anything. Octafish Aug 2015 #535

Which must pi** you off because elias49 Aug 2015 #531

"prone to censorship" NuclearDem Aug 2015 #532

I ignore and insult Parry because he's wrong on everything these days... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #533