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In reply to the discussion: First they came for ConsortiumNews, and I did not speak out— [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)467. I'd want to hear what you said, even if you disagreed with me.
Especially, if you disagreed with me.

Otherwise, how can I learn anything new?
Misguided Honor for Condi Rice
U.S. officials lecture others about respecting international law and punishing human rights crimes, but those principles are ignored when the violators are U.S. officials. Offenders like ex-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice even get honors, as Coleen Rowley and Todd E. Pierce note.
By Coleen Rowley and Todd E. Pierce
CounterPunch, April 3, 2014
Some of us predicted when Condi Rice left office that she would become intent on revising history. Faustian bargains dont end that quickly!
Its now come to pass that universities around the country, including Rutgers and the University of Minnesota, are willing to heap praise upon Rice and pay her huge speaking fees to hear her talk about her struggle for civil rights.
Her speech is not entitled what she usually likes to talk about: why war is good, but rather Keeping Faith with a Legacy of Justice: the 50th Anniversary of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Does it sound like shes hit upon another noble cause rationale for why she helped launch war on Iraq and initiate torture policies?
The University of Minnesota Humphrey Institute officials who arranged for Rices appearance cleverly framed their invitation as promoting academic freedom and free speech. But its not about free speech. A student group, which saw through this red herring, responded as follows:
First, by rescinding her invitation, the university would not be limiting Dr. Rices free speech (ironically named, as she will be receiving $150,000 for the talk). We understand that university campuses are meant to be places where multiple viewpoints are heard, where students can be exposed to many opposing viewpoints. We firmly believe in this tradition.
As you can imagine, given her prominent former positions as both the National Security Advisor and Secretary of State, Dr. Rice will have no shortage of platforms on which to express herself. Rescinding her invitation has nothing to do with limiting Dr. Rices right to free speech. Instead, it is about the University of Minnesota, continuously seeking to be perceived as a global university, tying itself to Dr. Rices abhorrent conduct on behalf of the American people.
By extending this invitation, the University has condoned Dr. Rices authorization of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques and her using the threat of a mushroom cloud to push the United States into war with Iraq. The only appropriate action regarding Dr. Rices invitation is to rescind it. Only this would send the correct message: that the University of Minnesota stands with the people of the world against torture and unjustified war.
A few weeks ago, the Faculty Councils at two Rutgers University campuses voted in support of a resolution to rescind Dr. Rices invitation to deliver the commencement address there.
Anyway we have sent the following letter on Wednesday in an effort to educate and inform some of the faculty, students and administration at the University of Minnesota who have invited Condi Rice to give their Distinguished Northrop Lecture on April 17.
Some of the faculty and students will be voting Thursday afternoon on a resolution asking that Rice be disinvited and we thought it important that the facts about her involvement in planning and ordering torture, at least what is currently known, be shared. Our letter reads:
Dear Humphrey School Faculty, Fellows, Staff and PASA members: Former Vice President Mondale is on record as saying there should be some form of accountability for government officials use of torture in the so-called war on terror. He said that otherwise its like laying a loaded gun on the table that in the future could be picked up and used again.
Unfortunately by inviting Condi Rice to give a distinguished Northrop lecture, the University of Minnesota just reached over the table and cocked that loaded gun. Strong reasons exist to oppose University officials decision to give the distinguished podium to someone, albeit a former high official, so credibly accused of serious war crimes. Planning and ordering of torture is a jus cogens crime of the highest magnitude under both domestic and international law, not protected by the First Amendment or even academic freedom.
This is not about politics. This is not about facilitating an educational discussion via controversial speakers. This IS about criminality and whether our country is willing to follow the rule of law or make exceptions for past (or in fact, future) leaders actions.
Despite efforts to keep the facts secret, enough truth has come out to establish that beginning in 2002, Rice convened dozens of top secret meetings of the National Security Councils Principals Committee (whose members also included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, George Tenet and John Ashcroft). The Principals planned and approved the use of various tortures, even choreographing some, to include near drowning (waterboarding), sleep deprivation, physical assault, subjection to extremely cold temperatures to cause hypothermia and use of stress positions.
At one point Attorney General Ashcroft even questioned the group, Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.
It was Rice herself who personally conveyed this White House groups order to the CIA to commence waterboarding of prisoners, telling the CIA: Go do it. Its your baby in July of 2002, even before [Bush administration] lawyer John Yoo was tasked with writing his famously faulty torture memo to legalize what they were doing. The torture memos were an attempt to provide what a later Department of Justice lawyer would label a golden shield from future criminal accountability for everyone involved. Other lawyers aptly describe Yoos memos as a kind of get out of jail free card.
After photos leaked depicting horrible inhumane abuses of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and Major General Antonio Taguba was assigned to investigate, he called the interrogation program that Rice and other officials had devised a systemic regime of torture. The list of approved tortures for the CIA had migrated down the military chain of command via Donald Rumsfeld, one of the main Principals at the White House meetings.
In 2008, the top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial, retired Judge Susan J. Crawford, was forced to dismiss war crime charges against an important 9-11 suspect when she concluded that the U.S. military tortured the Saudi national by interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a life-threatening condition.
The difficulty University officials experience in understanding these facts about Condi Rices sordid history probably stems from a political decision, however, the one made by Obama when he took office to not look backward, only look forward. That decision was not based on adherence to the law, as all accountability for crime inherently requires examining past actions.
As a result, infighting still persists between the CIA and the Senate Intelligence Committee which has spent over $40 million of taxpayers money on a nearly five-year-long investigation that reviewed millions of government documents. The Senate investigation, launched after it was discovered the CIA illegally destroyed 92 videotapes of its waterboarding torture sessions, produced a 6,300 page report a year ago. Its expected that a summary of that torture investigation will finally be released in the near future.
In fact a declassification vote on the torture report will now likely occur on April 3 coincidentally the very same day the University of Minnesota Faculty Senate votes whether to disinvite Condi Rice. But in the meantime, Senate Chair Diane Feinstein accused the CIA of having illegally removed documents from her Committees computers, apparently attempting to thwart legislative oversight. The torture investigation has thus reached a zenith in producing a constitutional crisis. Clearly these issues are contentious and the full truth has not yet emerged but thats because such serious crimes are implicated!
Unfortunately the legal artifice of the torture memos has worked thus far to protect Ms. Rice so she remains unrepentant and even continues to publicly shill for more pre-emptive wars. But University and Carlson Foundation officials should not be endorsing her past actions. They shouldnt help her bury the truth and revise history.
Since in fact there has been almost no accountability on the use of torture whether through congressional investigation, appointed commission or independent prosecutor and the courts, perhaps the state of Minnesota can provide at least a small measure of accountability by withdrawing its invitation.
Coleen Rowley is a retired FBI agent and former Minneapolis Division legal counsel who writes on ethical and legal issues. Todd E. Pierce retired as a Major in the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General (JAG) Corps in 2012. He was assigned as Defense Counsel in the Office of Chief Defense Counsel, Office of Military Commissions from 2008-2012. (This article was written for Coleen Rowleys blog at HuffingtonPost.)
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/03/misguided-honor-for-condi-rice/
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"When Money is Speech..." and "Money Trumps Peace" (GWB).. there, I fixed that for you...
Ghost in the Machine
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#124
"Thank you for standing up for the good fight, Ghost in the Machine." Thank YOU, Octafish....
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2015
#148
You're right about people waking up to the manipulation. I USED to think that
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Octafish
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MADem
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Perfect. That emoticon really says it all. When all else fails you, ridicule. nm
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I doubt it--it will be pivot-turn-change subject. Anything save confront that his beloved website
MADem
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No. Because they didn't mention Petraeus got off easy compared to CIA and Pentagon whistleblowers.
Octafish
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Not exactly what he said, uhnope, but when you're smearing someone, that's the point.
Octafish
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#146
Do you guys have a name for this tactic? It isn't very politically liberal. nm
rhett o rick
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#210
Let's see, ConsortiumNews and CounterPunch could disappear tomorrow and I would toast the fact
Godhumor
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Sorry you feel that way. In particular, I don't like some of the things I've read on CounterPunch.
Octafish
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What's your problem with enenews? It's a great source for news on nuclear energy
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FourScore
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Including this truth: coal ash adds vastly more environmental radioactivity than nuclear waste
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Speaking of dumbed-down, I don't remember you ever posting about the NAZIs on DU.
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Just pointing out your decade-long defense of Parry's psychotic break from reality
FBaggins
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Incredible like the time the Tag Team got all worked up for me quoting a banned DUer?
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You mean where you cited a DUer banned for Holocaust denial to prove that another Holocaust denier
msanthrope
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I'm fucking floored that the very simple message "Stop citing Holocaust deniers"
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I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity......
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I didn't claim you promoted anti-Semitism.....I said you cited Holocaust deniers.
msanthrope
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261. ''I never ascribe maliciousness to what can be explained by sheer stupidity......''
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Then alert.....and any juror can Google your username, my username, and "shamir"
msanthrope
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Thank you for proving that what was posted was in fact, correctly translated bullshit. nt
msanthrope
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The call goes out and they come running. Emboldened by their friends. Not offering
rhett o rick
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#338
Thanks for posting. This is supposed to be a politically liberal message board
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First, they came for those who paraphrased Niemöller, and I did not speak out.... (nt)
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yeah, wow. Maybe we should back off? Because they might really be clinical, literally (!)
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I guess when you've invested so much time defending the likes of Paul Craig Roberts...
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The amount of times he jumps the shark, well, we should nickname him Fonzie. nt
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It's almost like he did it right on cue. Few comedians have that kind of timing...
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jeff47
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Does CounterPunch's publishing right wing authors mean we can not trust their left wing writers?
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Octafish
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You are most welcome, Enthusiast! For Gary Webb and Media Manipulation, from Beverly Bandler...
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+1, thank you for that. One has to wonder about the current heroin epidemic.
Enthusiast
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So much sounds so familiar, so often, that it has become deja vu all over again, again.
Enthusiast
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You know he is going to now use that against you in the future as you admitting to being a paid
stevenleser
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Great, but Parry reported Team PNAC, not President Obama, who push for war in Ukraine.
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RT airs interviews with former SEC regulator William K Black, whom the Bush-Obama DoJs ignored.
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"Trashing ConsortiumNews is just like gassing millions of innocent folk!"
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April Glaspie affair exposes pro- anti-BFEE divisions within the Establishment.
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I think that is why the message coming from 3 channels said something to me
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I have been listing internet media that people should follow instead of the TV and
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I'm surprised they didn't use an EMP weapon on him just for saying that much
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Propagandists are never wrong, and the people that say they are are just teaming up to silence them.
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They worked it in between folding your drawers in a 6" square and making hospital corners
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Something never on TV: Nixon assigned a murderous Secret Service agent to protect Ted Kennedy.
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Where did I post ''Holocaust nonsense'' that ''was just tasteless hyperbole'' NuclearDem?
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Invoking Rev. Niemoller after someone said something not nice about CP or CN
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