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218. He was in bed with her. She was there beside him.

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:53 PM

Aug 2015

Allowing him to stay in her apartment and sleep in her bed speaks volumes. Don'cha think?

Haven't you ever heard of nudging your sleeping partner to get things going?

BOTH of the women he had sex with while in Sweden DENIED that he raped them. And the one he stayed with at her apartment, denied that she slept through the sexual encounter.

Sweden has different laws than here in the US. In Sweden rape is under what is known as PUBLIC PROSECUTION LAW. Officials don't need the "victim's" consent to do an investigation or to prosecute.

Assange had no idea he was being accused of rape. He read the allegation in the newspapers.

The prosecutor dropped the case but a woman lawyer pressed them to re-open it. Reasons were not published as to her motives or the influence that triggered her actions.

On September 27th Assange left Sweden and immdiately afterwards the prosecutor issued a warrant for his arrest.

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Context and the Assange case. [View all] hifiguy Aug 2015 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #1

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Read the Swedish Judicial Authority's "Findings of facts and reasons" for insight into how Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #283

OMG!!!! CARL ROVE IS ADVISOR TO SWEDISH GOV RE PROSECUTION OF JULIAN ASSANGE!!!!!!! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #286

Thanks. ronnie624 Aug 2015 #303

Sweden Tells the UN that Indefinite Detention Without Charge is Fine AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #314

Assange has known since 2011 that a secret indictment was waiting for him in the USA AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #343

Comment to SNOT's June 2012 comment about "there's no way to indict Assange for espionage" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #425

Sarah Palin: hunt WikiLeaks founder like al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #426

Good works of Assange's WikiLeaks - Links by country AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #431

An excellent OP, hifiguy! Hope it awakens some here, but the propaganda has been strong. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #2

The intelligence agencies and propaganda machines get those billions upon billions hifiguy Aug 2015 #4

I see you are getting hammered for your OP. Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #179

I expected to get hammered by those hifiguy Aug 2015 #181

bless your heart, hifiguy librechik Aug 2015 #198

Thank you. hifiguy Aug 2015 #199

this thread is fabulous for flushing out moles librechik Aug 2015 #201

"Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #291

Maybe it's almost over now? "Julian Assange's attorney speaks out as sexual assault case dropped" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #318

Come back librchik and support hifiguy and those trying to post AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #418

Julian Assange should be awarded Nobel peace prize, suggests Russia AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #430

Hifiguy, in case you ever wondered whether Assange helped the world realize that fascism is upon us AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #401

Counterpunch's John Pilger tells the story of Assange and the dangerous stage he's now entering AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #394

Anyone with a dozen brain cells can connect hifiguy Aug 2015 #395

Thank you hifiguy for the opportunity to participate in your wonderful thread. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #396

Thanks AS. hifiguy Aug 2015 #397

Biden says Assange is a "high tech terrorist" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #428

Assange has received many awards and honors for leaking the truth about how the world AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #406

Here's an excellent post by MARMAR which demonstrates that the government AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #410

There is a vendetta against truth telling AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #411

Propaganda galore, but also much support from respected people like Michael Moore and AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #416

Good God, you're right, Assange is no James Bond. randome Aug 2015 #3

i cannot even begin to quantify the irrelevance of what you are attempting to say. hifiguy Aug 2015 #5

Right. Because someone, somewhere might be targeted, Assange's word is automatically golden. randome Aug 2015 #6

MLK was targeted. Occupy was targeted. hifiguy Aug 2015 #8

Was Scott Ritter targeted? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #14

WTF does Scott Ritter, hifiguy Aug 2015 #16

As randome indicated it's entirely possible to be politically on the right side of the spectrum msanthrope Aug 2015 #23

But no one would have any possible reason to frame Assange, right? hifiguy Aug 2015 #25

how does one frame a man who has admitted to the acts described in the warrant? msanthrope Aug 2015 #28

it was known that he couldn't say no reorg Aug 2015 #34

A bit of spycraft that is literally as old hifiguy Aug 2015 #54

so now you're comparing these women to prostitutes? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #75

Are you REALLY this ignorant about how intelligence people hifiguy Aug 2015 #80

Again....do you have any evidence? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #83

US targets WikiLeaks like no other organisation (interesting 2011 news report) AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #296

A newspaper article from 4 years ago is not proof of anything. msanthrope Aug 2015 #305

Naomi Wolf investigated and discovered that CARL ROVE is advising Sweden in prosecution of ASSANGE AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #306

Again...four years ago. And not 'proven' so much as wildly speculated. msanthrope Aug 2015 #307

You are the one speculating using flimsy claims void of facts or documentation. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #313

you are conflating Naomi Wolf with Naomi Klein. msanthrope Aug 2015 #315

You're confused. I know the difference between Naoimi Klein and Naomi Wolf, the latter being an AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #319

Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolf, + women's advocacy group, question nature + purpose of Assange prosecution AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #322

Newt Gingrich says Assange "...should be treated as an enemy combatant." AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #429

What?! Older articles don't inform you about history of the situation? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #364

Just as you seem to dismiss Assange's previous flaws. randome Aug 2015 #369

Who said informants "deserve to be killed" ???? Do you have a link? Any documentation at all? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #371

He edited out the glint of an RPG in the 'Collateral Damage' video. randome Aug 2015 #385

You twisted the facts in the Stephen Colbert interview randome AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #405

Spycraft uses lies of all types, but sex is both the honeytrap and the button pusher extraordinaire AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #408

w ait a second you're saying Assange was forced into penetrating a sleeping woman? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #66

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #76

You are being ungentlemanly. My suggestion is that until you can refrain msanthrope Aug 2015 #82

Methinks you are ignoring the very basic sexual instincts of men, which many consider AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #151

The possibility that this was an intelligence setup is pretty close to zero. stevenleser Aug 2015 #165

You cannot make that analysis with any certainty whatsoever. But you can look at history AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #172

Sure I can. The nonsense posited here is a virtual impossibility. The CIA does not have time for stevenleser Aug 2015 #173

Reality check Mr. Leser. You need to read the book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #209

There are all kinds of books written alleging all kinds of stuff. That doesn't make them true. stevenleser Aug 2015 #211

Anyone who doesn't believe in conspiracy theory AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #216

I believe some conspiracies happen sure. This simply isn't a plausible one. stevenleser Aug 2015 #233

OMG -- no wonder corporations and the Rove people want to neutralize Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #412

You said "Arab Spring was a national security risk to leaders of those countries, not to the US" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #241

But Joe Biden said Assange is a "terrorist". Do you think the CIA heard him? Read this: AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #415

He has a history of admitting to the accusations. randome Aug 2015 #167

Where is your documentation for these admissions? I'd like to see the AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #210

See msanthrope's link regarding the transcripts. randome Aug 2015 #227

If you read the transcript you refer to you would have to admit that you're wrong. Look at your AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #242

You can read, right? Below is a snippet. Assange is not contesting the allegations. randome Aug 2015 #255

Unless you can provide a link, your post is trash to me. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #261

I already told you it comes from msanthrope's previous link. randome Aug 2015 #282

Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #293

Yeah that's some genius legal tactic there cemaphonic Aug 2015 #298

This message was self-deleted by its author AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #320

Swedish prosecution drops 2 of 4 allegations against Assange due to statute of limitations expiry AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #321

Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #294

Look, Assange was staying at the apartment of one of the women he had sex with. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #214

Oops. You're telling a bunch of inconvenient truths. hifiguy Aug 2015 #247

Has there ever been a man pursued like this for such nonsense? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #348

Julian Assange: The Untold Story Of An Epic Struggle For Justice AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #295

Vladimir Putin criticizes the detention and motives to frame Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #432

So you and the other poster are Assange supporters, reorg Aug 2015 #33

So someone with great courage, who is also brilliant, risks his life AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #212

I'm in good company as far as supporters go, both here AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #407

Jeez....it must be frustrating to have to deal with this kind of AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #240

Du has really devolved in the last few years. hifiguy Aug 2015 #243

Thank you for the explanation and especially your committment to stay AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #254

Thanks. There are a lot of good, very smart people here hifiguy Aug 2015 #301

Why can't you admit that Assange is being targeted by Karl Rove and Company AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #372

How is he a threat? He's a narcissistic buffoon! randome Aug 2015 #26

Of course, as a former or current member reorg Aug 2015 #35

What do intelligence services have to do with courts of law? randome Aug 2015 #46

The FBI framed Ethel Rosenberg hifiguy Aug 2015 #56

And you base this on the word of a man accused of a crime? randome Aug 2015 #72

So someone who has been ACCUSED, but not CONVICTED hifiguy Aug 2015 #84

It is a waste of time to try to reason with a lynch mob. zeemike Aug 2015 #111

Indeed. hifiguy Aug 2015 #113

Yep I remember that fiasco. zeemike Aug 2015 #116

They have been allowed to bully and shout down people for a long while. hifiguy Aug 2015 #122

One can only speculate. zeemike Aug 2015 #126

uh, if I recall that was one whacky person that went after SCE and Kali Aug 2015 #177

You took the words out of my mouth zeemike. It's a waste of precious time to argue with AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #215

If he won't face his accusers, he can never be convicted. randome Aug 2015 #145

You really think he would get a fair trial? hifiguy Aug 2015 #183

Right again. Fully half the world is engaged in this grand conspiracy theory of yours. randome Aug 2015 #189

You have not documented a damned thing AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #224

Randome, I suggest you follow the advice of your sig line. Get a very good, very, very AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #217

Well, that's certainly a cogent debating point, isn't it? randome Aug 2015 #226

The FBI are not foreign spies, they are a domestic law enforcement organization. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #128

Ask Ethel Rosenberg how much difference that made. hifiguy Aug 2015 #134

Ethel Rosenberg isnt the issue. You are using what a different agency did to make your point. And stevenleser Aug 2015 #135

The meta-point is a simple one: hifiguy Aug 2015 #137

First off, Assange isn't a dissenter. He's not a US citizen. This isn't a movie or a cartoon. stevenleser Aug 2015 #138

But don't forget, Joe Biden called Assange a "terrorist". AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #414

Sure have. elias49 Aug 2015 #149

Justice Department officials privately described investigation as being "unprecedented in scale AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #404

Bwaa hahaha, OMG do you really think that's true? Here's the link to the FBI's international website AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #258

Do you understand what all of that means? I doubt it, in fact I am sure you don't. From YOUR link... stevenleser Aug 2015 #259

Wow. You are really a crazy expert in twisting things around. A real gobbledegook expert. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #262

You didn't prove me wrong, you proved you dont know the difference between a law enforcement agency stevenleser Aug 2015 #263

The FBI works both domestic and foreign intelligence AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #267

LOL, I thought you put me on ignore... stevenleser Aug 2015 #268

You need to read FBI public docs. The FBI can do more foreign intelligence since the Patriot Act AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #271

As I explained, putting you on IGNORE would give the impression AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #272

Here a link to the FBI's website describing their foreign intelligence activities AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #273

In plain English, in the body of this text, it mentions the FBI's foreign intelligence activities AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #274

That is not what that is saying. It is saying in the pursuit of domestic law enforcement the FBI stevenleser Aug 2015 #358

You are such a vacuous mind. Mincing words is your skill AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #359

Once again, I've talked to CIA Agents and FBI Agents. When have you done so? stevenleser Aug 2015 #360

I see the CIA's and FBI's own published material. You have to be an idiot not to understand AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #361

And you are completely misinterpreting what you are reading. I have to ask... stevenleser Aug 2015 #362

Retired US Intelligence Officers See Benefits of WikiLeaks Truth-telling AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #409

the former are using the latter n/t reorg Aug 2015 #59

You want to believe that, I'm sure, because it elevates The Great Hero in your eyes. randome Aug 2015 #69

'infallibility'? reorg Aug 2015 #81

Your laugable presumption that Assange is some Great Hero hifiguy Aug 2015 #86

So what? He admitted to having consensual sex. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #174

How does a sleeping woman consent to sex? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #185

Well, you see, rules are different for the sacred cows like Assange, Sanders and Greenwald. stevenleser Aug 2015 #204

the authoritarian mindset that protects the privilege of these white men msanthrope Aug 2015 #205

Jesus, you are incredibly single-minded and dumber than a box of hair. hifiguy Aug 2015 #246

I am "dumber than a box of hair?" What an interesting insult. And yet....you still can't msanthrope Aug 2015 #249

I suspect it just means a box of hair never disagreed with him, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #253

I think the incredible responses that protect the privilege of this particular white man to rape msanthrope Aug 2015 #270

He was in bed with her. She was there beside him. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #218

You are a hopeless case in my opinion AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #236

WikiLeaks didn't "disown him" -- as usual you are pissing in the thorny wind AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #427

I believe you completely. I saw many activist targeted including myself AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #142

Thank you for this. It takes courage. elias49 Aug 2015 #152

That one is so amusing, it is like they take it personally or something. Rex Aug 2015 #7

Trying to educate some of the people around here hifiguy Aug 2015 #9

+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #277

If no-one gives a shit, why do you always show up elias49 Aug 2015 #147

You say that Assange "is nothing but another George Zimmerman"?????!!!!! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #213

And you reflexively nullify the women who want him tested. randome Aug 2015 #225

You are misrepresenting Assange. Thank heavens you're not his attorney AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #279

But, but...but... Carl Rove cares very much what happens to Julian Assange!!!! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #310

Nonsense, twaddle and utter foolishness. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #10

I base it on a knowledge of how intelligence agencies hifiguy Aug 2015 #17

Your words were indeed clear; they are an awful example of misogyny muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #19

BS. Women couldn't be blackmailed or bribed by a spy agency? hifiguy Aug 2015 #20

but of course you've offered no evidence of these women were. In T msanthrope Aug 2015 #22

This really isn't about them as people. hifiguy Aug 2015 #24

that's how you view victims of sexual assault? Pawns? msanthrope Aug 2015 #27

You are lying again reorg Aug 2015 #41

I can't make you read the trial court documents..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #55

I read them before you and that's how I know you are lying n/t reorg Aug 2015 #63

reorg.... here is an excerpt from the Assange legal case that proves Misanthrope is lying again. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #230

So provide your interpretation of what Assange said. Simple. But you refuse to do so stevenleser Aug 2015 #231

And I say bullshit to you. My answer to your "request" is contained in post 230 AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #235

There are a myriad of links on the web that dispute you stevenleser Aug 2015 #238

You are still using information from opinion sites who agree with you about your Assange claims. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #239

The problem you have is, Assange's attorney said these things. You can't explain that away. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #260

Jesus. hifiguy Aug 2015 #61

do you have any evidence to support this theory you have about these these women? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #71

My "theory" which is actually a hypothesis, hifiguy Aug 2015 #77

do you have any evidence for this hypothesis? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #79

You clearly don't understand what a hypothesis is hifiguy Aug 2015 #87

Okay...give us an "explanation why the guess may be correct." Or, evidence, proof, facts msanthrope Aug 2015 #91

It's all in the OP but here's the bullet point summary hifiguy Aug 2015 #95

Again...do you have any evidence to support any of your claims? msanthrope Aug 2015 #119

It is an educated guess, like all hypotheses. hifiguy Aug 2015 #121

It's all based on a cartoonish version of the CIA where Assange is their biggest national security stevenleser Aug 2015 #130

HiFiGuy is much closer to truth than you because you refuse to recognize historical patterns AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #175

What historical pattern? Provide examples of other persons. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #184

Your name is so perfect for you, a slight variation of the word "misanthrope" which means AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #384

A little feisty this evening, aren't we? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #387

Ka-boom! CanSocDem Aug 2015 #120

Why thank you! hifiguy Aug 2015 #123

I agree with you this far HFG: this case should not be assumed to be primarily about rape charges. leveymg Aug 2015 #202

That is the central point at which I was driving. hifiguy Aug 2015 #203

Roger. leveymg Aug 2015 #207

LOL reorg Aug 2015 #39

That's your evidence? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #43

You know the evidence as well as I do, LOL n/t reorg Aug 2015 #53

I am sure the rest of Democratic Underground would like to see your evidence posted. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #73

You dismissed the women out of hand, right at the start of your diatribe muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #29

I think they were used by intelligence agencies, a very common practice hifiguy Aug 2015 #32

You're leaving DU? Great. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #36

Hardly. It is highly likely they were coerced into participation hifiguy Aug 2015 #90

Assange admits he started sex with the woman while she was asleep muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #94

The only villains in my hypothesis are the intelligence agencies and those who directed them hifiguy Aug 2015 #97

You ignore that your accusations are impossible; you accuse the women of lying muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #103

I am done with your crap and most especially the completely bogus hifiguy Aug 2015 #105

Assange and his legal team agree with me on the facts muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #109

You're not supposed to talk about facts. You're supposed to indulge in wild conspiracy theories. stevenleser Aug 2015 #133

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #154

Your accusations against Hifyguy are truly out of context of anything he is AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #219

Read the OP. It starts by denying the possibility that the women are telling the truth muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #221

You need some basic lessons in Human Behavior. 2banon Aug 2015 #278

It's because the OP won't even consider that the women could be telling the truth muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #281

I understand. But that isn't the point of the OP. 2banon Aug 2015 #316

You're weighing possibilities; the OP is declaring the rape charges must be false muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #317

No, that isn't quite true. . 2banon Aug 2015 #323

Your words don't match what the OP actually said AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #324

No 'hypothesis' in the OP; 'only' about espionage and whistleblowing; not about the wmoen muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #326

Saying that people like to, and do, have sex is vile? hifiguy Aug 2015 #335

It's vile that you think men mistreat women sexually as a matter of course muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #336

There is NOTHING in your highlighted post material that can be construed as a AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #388

You have now officially lost this thread. I'm out. randome Aug 2015 #389

Documentation? Yes, I linked to the report of the extradition hearing muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #390

You really do twist things around to suit your obsession with the idea AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #393

You're taking this conversation in a very nasty direction muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #398

Projection, projection, projection AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #399

Here's what's nasty: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #400

Oh for God's sake Muriel, why don't you go work with a rape hotline or AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #402

? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #403

Speak for yourself, muriel... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #229

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #153

Damn, you think getting a hide makes you somehow worthy of something? randome Aug 2015 #166

What the fuck are you on about? elias49 Aug 2015 #169

He was on about the fact that he could tell what you wrote would be hidden because stevenleser Aug 2015 #234

There are people on this site who could and would hifiguy Aug 2015 #178

I love beer, pizza, cats and ducks. We have a lot in common. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #222

Twisted Distortion and calling misogyny is absolutely OTT. You have no basis for that, NONE. 2banon Aug 2015 #276

To quote the great physicist Wolfgang Pauli, hifiguy Aug 2015 #374

Of course you don't like the description of your misogynistic conspiracy theory muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #375

... hifiguy Aug 2015 #382

true enough, and a history, too. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #383

"True enough" you say, "and a history too" ??? Why the "NT"? Document your words AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #386

stick your two second opinion into something you haven't even studied. seabeyond Aug 2015 #391

Excellent Post....another K&R! KoKo Aug 2015 #373

Oh for God's sake Muriel, GOOGLE the international reports on what really AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #223

You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #377

As his lawyer said, he started having sex with the woman while she was asleep muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #378

You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #380

Crudely said, but well written. K&R eom Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #11

except of course that he admitted doing the acts described in the warrant. msanthrope Aug 2015 #12

Now you weren't supposed to mention that. stevenleser Aug 2015 #15

Assange managed to walk the streets of Great Britain free for 2 years while his appeal was going on msanthrope Aug 2015 #21

That kind of slow turnaround is so not what a rogue government or intel agency would do. stevenleser Aug 2015 #67

Repeating your lies doesn't make them better n/t reorg Aug 2015 #49

I can't make you read his legal argument but here they are...... msanthrope Aug 2015 #60

I read it before you and that's how I know you are lying n/t reorg Aug 2015 #64

OK, so in your opinion/interpretation, what did Assange say? nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #68

How dare you introduce facts into a perfectly good Alex Jones level CT?... SidDithers Aug 2015 #58

It's fascinating how a certain segment of the left will promptly throw everyone under the bus to stevenleser Aug 2015 #85

white men of privilege need protection. what could be more authoritarian than that? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #89

This is wild theorizing without a shred of proof mythology Aug 2015 #13

Do you have even the slightest knowledge of the history hifiguy Aug 2015 #18

do you have the slightest knowledge of history of rape prosecutions? msanthrope Aug 2015 #31

My, my, hifiguy. I do believe you hit a nerve. Zorra Aug 2015 #30

i intended to. hifiguy Aug 2015 #38

as someone who has survived sexual assault ya he did hit a nerve..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #40

It was not. hifiguy Aug 2015 #45

have you considered the context of your own writing? msanthrope Aug 2015 #57

Oh, really. hifiguy Aug 2015 #74

what the hell does Bernie sanders have to do with this? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #78

You pointedly asked if I "knew" that I am posting on a liberal board hifiguy Aug 2015 #88

In my mind, the only relevant point is this: Maedhros Aug 2015 #37

Would Assange be pursued so doggedly had he not hifiguy Aug 2015 #42

I tend to agree with your reasoning, but those points are very difficult to prove - Maedhros Aug 2015 #52

... SidDithers Aug 2015 #44

My opinion of you already can't get any lower. hifiguy Aug 2015 #48

Like i give a fuck... SidDithers Aug 2015 #62

Consider your not giving a fuck returned doubly hifiguy Aug 2015 #65

... SidDithers Aug 2015 #70

WTF is that? Why don't you stick with your signature nn-comment elias49 Aug 2015 #157

Nothing says ''Democracy'' like SHUT UP! Octafish Aug 2015 #51

Your defense of Assange, like your defense of Bill Cosby... SidDithers Aug 2015 #96

Nice smear. Here's today's news... Octafish Aug 2015 #102

That one is capable only of drive-by one liners hifiguy Aug 2015 #107

Here's more of the news... SidDithers Aug 2015 #108

Yeah. Its "harbor" isnt it elias49 Aug 2015 #158

No it's "harbour"... SidDithers Aug 2015 #160

So what? The issue is criminalizing journalism for exposing government criminality. Octafish Aug 2015 #186

You state the crime and the problem perfectly. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #392

Am glad the prosecutor refused Assange's offer AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #351

You are an encyclopedia of info on this topic AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #352

I gotta pile on Luis Posada Carriles, BFEE. Octafish Aug 2015 #356

This information blows my mind. The notorious Luis Posada and Anna Ardin - alleged Assange accuser AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #367

Was it you who was friends with Mr. B? If so, gee! Octafish Aug 2015 #368

Yep. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #131

Hey, stevenleser! Do you think it was fascist for the USA to invade Iraq? Octafish Aug 2015 #188

Hey Octafish, you aren't hijacking this thread with unrelated stuff. stevenleser Aug 2015 #190

Should have known you'd dance around the question, stevenleser. Octafish Aug 2015 #192

I'm not letting you hijack this. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #193

Declare victory and scoot-your usual cop-out for not knowing squat on the subject. LOL, stevenleser. Octafish Aug 2015 #194

A google search on my name and Iraq will show I was on that long before you. No. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #195

Good for you! So, show where I hijacked this thread. Octafish Aug 2015 #197

Here is a link. stevenleser Aug 2015 #196

Great, you were on the case, according to the dateline, anyway, in 2003. Octafish Aug 2015 #200

Octafish knows WikiLeaks is a reporting entity, a journal, that reveals lies to the world. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #357

Thank you for posting this. It's amazing to me how many people are AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #220

You are most welcome, AikidoSoul. Thank you for your excellent summation. Octafish Aug 2015 #237

It's close to 2 a.m. on the east coast and I just saw your post #237 which blew my mind AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #265

As much a some here would like to believe that "they" would "do anything"... brooklynite Aug 2015 #93

Intelligence agencies always cooperate with each other. hifiguy Aug 2015 #98

You'll understand my reluctance to accept this airtight case without some actual evidence... brooklynite Aug 2015 #101

It's a hypothesis based on the known practices of intelligence agencies. hifiguy Aug 2015 #104

If the CIA had been engaged on the Assange issue, they would have had someone shoot him. stevenleser Aug 2015 #125

You admit that the intelligence industry is criminal then. elias49 Aug 2015 #161

No, I don't. Criminal implies against the law. The laws here would be international. stevenleser Aug 2015 #163

But you speculated that they would have simply shot him dead elias49 Aug 2015 #168

I said that someone they identified as an actual national security threat would be shot dead stevenleser Aug 2015 #170

I don't come to these threads with the express purpose elias49 Aug 2015 #171

Yes, it's so terrible that I actually know what I am talking about. You've shamed me. stevenleser Aug 2015 #208

".... SWEDEN, a nation that has stayed out of all the foreign entanglements...." AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #376

Assange and WikiLeaks spilled the beans on War Inc. Octafish Aug 2015 #47

Thank you Octafish. hifiguy Aug 2015 #50

Thank you for a most important OP and thread, hifiguy! Octafish Aug 2015 #106

The opinion of a DUer I respect as much as I do you hifiguy Aug 2015 #110

I am honored. Octafish Aug 2015 #118

Thank you for having a highly functioning brain with the capacity to organize AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #155

GOP Spies at Work on Us ... as in 'We the People' Us. Octafish Aug 2015 #187

Free press is eroding dramatically in my lifetime AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #354

Ours may be an Associative Universe... Octafish Aug 2015 #355

it doesn't even have to pan out to taint his name permanently--one of those "you never CAN tell MisterP Aug 2015 #92

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #100

Back atcha, Willy! hifiguy Aug 2015 #112

Great piece, hifiguy Oilwellian Aug 2015 #114

K&R jwirr Aug 2015 #115

That's some epic length rape apology there cemaphonic Aug 2015 #117

Oh, brother. hifiguy Aug 2015 #124

The spy novel stuff was much more entertaining than vague metaphors cemaphonic Aug 2015 #132

Do a little reading about the history of the CIA. hifiguy Aug 2015 #136

And in your link, there is nothing close to what you are alleging in the last 40 or so years. stevenleser Aug 2015 #141

Assange's history is more recent. He admitted to the accusations. randome Aug 2015 #150

Thanks for some sober common sense about this. eom Cleita Aug 2015 #127

The first question to ask is ALWAYS "Who benefits from this?" hifiguy Aug 2015 #129

k & r & thanks! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2015 #139

Thanks hifiguy malokvale77 Aug 2015 #140

The 'tiresome crap' being that poor widdle Julian is being treated unfairly. randome Aug 2015 #144

It's a simple binary distinction. hifiguy Aug 2015 #182

Thanks, hifiguy. Excellent post. nt truebluegreen Aug 2015 #143

Bravo. Well said and sadly true. elias49 Aug 2015 #146

Kicking and recommending this highly educational thread AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #148

Superb OP! markpkessinger Aug 2015 #156

Thanks k&r n/t lordsummerisle Aug 2015 #159

I Have No Doubt That Spooks Have An Arsenal Of Dirty Tricks Liberal_Dog Aug 2015 #162

That's not as important as what he revealed. That's key. elias49 Aug 2015 #164

So does that mean that heroes should never have sex, or get erections? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #176

Oh, FFS Liberal_Dog Aug 2015 #228

Have no idea why you would think that I would think you have a hangup about sex! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #232

Excellent thread LittleBlue Aug 2015 #180

You ought to write novels... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #191

Well said. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #206

Very well said - Thank you sir! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #244

Take my word fo it hifiguy Aug 2015 #245

It certainly appears to be that way. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #248

Really appreciate this post "hifiguy!" KoKo Aug 2015 #250

Saint Julian had his day (lasting a year and a half) in the UK courts and lost. Similarly, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #251

You are wrong. He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts and he hasn't even been charged for God's sake AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #256

He's been back and forth in the Swedish courts trying to get the warrant overturned, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #257

He has not physically been back and forth in the Swedish courts AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #264

A moment ago, you were telling me "He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts" struggle4progress Aug 2015 #266

You are right, he did lose his attempts to "overturn the outstanding arrest warrant" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #289

Assange left Sweden for the UK after the Swedish authorities repeatedly contacted his lawyer struggle4progress Aug 2015 #290

So we wouldnt torture him if he was extradited to the US? MoveIt Aug 2015 #327

To my knowledge, there is not any US indictment against Assange and so no US extradition request struggle4progress Aug 2015 #333

Rove says he wants 'Criminal' Julian Assange 'Hunted Down And Grabbed And Put on Trial" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #370

Delighted to K&R this. Great post. Thank you n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #252

I admit I'm not very well informed about the whole thing surrounding Assange davidpdx Aug 2015 #269

Under European law, to extradite Assange to a third country from Sweden, after extradition struggle4progress Aug 2015 #280

Really there are only 3 countries involved cemaphonic Aug 2015 #284

Manning could obviously be held to a much stricter standard than Assange. But news coverage, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #285

Alleged rape was the cover story. See post number 286 to read about Carl Rove's involvement in this AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #287

Assange's apparent persecutory delusions do not gain credibility simply because various supporters struggle4progress Aug 2015 #288

So hypothetically if he stepped outside the Ecuadorian Embassy davidpdx Aug 2015 #292

Basically yes cemaphonic Aug 2015 #297

If he jumped bail would he not forfeit whatever money he put up davidpdx Aug 2015 #299

The money (paid by friends and supporters mostly) cemaphonic Aug 2015 #300

IIRC violation of the Bail Act can result in a term of imprisonment struggle4progress Aug 2015 #304

This is extraordinary Judgestone Aug 2015 #309

Thank you and yes, many agree with you who have knowledge of Swedish law AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #312

He is one of my Facebook friends and was nice enough to drop by at my request davidpdx Aug 2015 #325

EXTRADITION TREATY BETWEEN SWEDEN AND USA EXISTS -- LINK BELOW AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #328

He did not "evade" Sweden to avoid an interview. The prosecutor REFUSED to do one. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #330

Assange's Swedish lawyer rather struck the UK magistrate as a liar: struggle4progress Aug 2015 #334

Excellent Post. Wonderfully succinct and straight forward in articulation 2banon Aug 2015 #275

Thank you. I poked the status quo/corporatist bear hifiguy Aug 2015 #302

Status quo pro-authoritarians tools as well. :). 2banon Aug 2015 #311

Plenty of posters right here in this thread willing to illustrate your point for you. pa28 Aug 2015 #308

please excuse yourself from serving on any rape jury nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #329

Wow! What a comment! You didn't read anything in the swedish legal documents did you? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #331

the only ones leaping are those who are screaming "liar liar" at the women who geek tragedy Aug 2015 #332

OMG. hifiguy Aug 2015 #338

you have already prejudged the alleged victims to be scheming, evil liars and Assange geek tragedy Aug 2015 #340

That statement is so absurd I will waste only these fourteen words on it. hifiguy Aug 2015 #349

"Not one thing about this case is about any person save Julian Assange" geek tragedy Aug 2015 #350

Don't conflate the two incidents - the Steubenville victims were not political targets of Carl Rove AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #341

I'd take the Rove conspiracy angle more seriously if you spelled his name right geek tragedy Aug 2015 #342

Pathetic. Naomi Wolf is a former advisor to Al Gore And Bill Clinton AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #346

You really, REALLY don't think spy agencies don't try to get the goods hifiguy Aug 2015 #337

that's a possibility, which is why there should be this thing called a 'trial' geek tragedy Aug 2015 #339

Assange was never given the chance to go to trial, beause he can't do so unless the prosecutor AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #344

Fugitives don't get to complain about a lack of a trial nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #345

BWAAAAHHHAAA AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #347

the Assange fanclub "logic" is getting pretty convoluted cemaphonic Aug 2015 #353

So you don't believe in "diabolical legal ploys"? Good for your peace of mind perhaps, but AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #363

You keep children's bath toys in your safe? cemaphonic Aug 2015 #365

Yes, I do. We keep all our valuables there! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #366

Great work on this thread. CanSocDem Aug 2015 #413

Thank you CanSocDem. Very much. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #419

K&R for TRUTH!! ~nt~ b.durruti Aug 2015 #379

Thanks! hifiguy Aug 2015 #381

And it needs another... Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #417

And perhaps one more. This one from Assange's attorney in an interview with DER SPIEGEL AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #420

Awww...one more! Wikileaks: Brazil President Lula backs Julian Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #421

Alan Dershowitz? I suspect his opinion is simply based on whatever is the most anti-Obama Electric Monk Aug 2015 #422

He's a conservative who supports WickiLeaks founder Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #424

New WikiLeaks show Saudi Arabia's global attempts to undermine Iran AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #423