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In reply to the discussion: Context and the Assange case. [View all]randome
(34,845 posts)226. Well, that's certainly a cogent debating point, isn't it?
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Read the Swedish Judicial Authority's "Findings of facts and reasons" for insight into how Assange
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#283
OMG!!!! CARL ROVE IS ADVISOR TO SWEDISH GOV RE PROSECUTION OF JULIAN ASSANGE!!!!!!!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#286
Assange has known since 2011 that a secret indictment was waiting for him in the USA
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#343
Comment to SNOT's June 2012 comment about "there's no way to indict Assange for espionage"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#425
An excellent OP, hifiguy! Hope it awakens some here, but the propaganda has been strong. nt
Mnemosyne
Aug 2015
#2
The intelligence agencies and propaganda machines get those billions upon billions
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#4
"Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#291
Maybe it's almost over now? "Julian Assange's attorney speaks out as sexual assault case dropped"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#318
Hifiguy, in case you ever wondered whether Assange helped the world realize that fascism is upon us
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#401
Counterpunch's John Pilger tells the story of Assange and the dangerous stage he's now entering
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#394
Thank you hifiguy for the opportunity to participate in your wonderful thread.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#396
Assange has received many awards and honors for leaking the truth about how the world
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#406
Propaganda galore, but also much support from respected people like Michael Moore and
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#416
i cannot even begin to quantify the irrelevance of what you are attempting to say.
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#5
Right. Because someone, somewhere might be targeted, Assange's word is automatically golden.
randome
Aug 2015
#6
As randome indicated it's entirely possible to be politically on the right side of the spectrum
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#23
how does one frame a man who has admitted to the acts described in the warrant?
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#28
US targets WikiLeaks like no other organisation (interesting 2011 news report)
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#296
Naomi Wolf investigated and discovered that CARL ROVE is advising Sweden in prosecution of ASSANGE
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#306
You are the one speculating using flimsy claims void of facts or documentation.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#313
You're confused. I know the difference between Naoimi Klein and Naomi Wolf, the latter being an
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#319
Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolf, + women's advocacy group, question nature + purpose of Assange prosecution
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#322
Who said informants "deserve to be killed" ???? Do you have a link? Any documentation at all?
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#371
Spycraft uses lies of all types, but sex is both the honeytrap and the button pusher extraordinaire
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#408
w ait a second you're saying Assange was forced into penetrating a sleeping woman? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#66
Methinks you are ignoring the very basic sexual instincts of men, which many consider
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#151
The possibility that this was an intelligence setup is pretty close to zero.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#165
You cannot make that analysis with any certainty whatsoever. But you can look at history
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#172
Sure I can. The nonsense posited here is a virtual impossibility. The CIA does not have time for
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#173
Reality check Mr. Leser. You need to read the book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#209
There are all kinds of books written alleging all kinds of stuff. That doesn't make them true.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#211
I believe some conspiracies happen sure. This simply isn't a plausible one.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#233
OMG -- no wonder corporations and the Rove people want to neutralize Assange
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#412
You said "Arab Spring was a national security risk to leaders of those countries, not to the US"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#241
But Joe Biden said Assange is a "terrorist". Do you think the CIA heard him? Read this:
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#415
If you read the transcript you refer to you would have to admit that you're wrong. Look at your
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#242
You can read, right? Below is a snippet. Assange is not contesting the allegations.
randome
Aug 2015
#255
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#293
Swedish prosecution drops 2 of 4 allegations against Assange due to statute of limitations expiry
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#321
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#294
Look, Assange was staying at the apartment of one of the women he had sex with.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#214
Why can't you admit that Assange is being targeted by Karl Rove and Company
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#372
You took the words out of my mouth zeemike. It's a waste of precious time to argue with
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#215
Right again. Fully half the world is engaged in this grand conspiracy theory of yours.
randome
Aug 2015
#189
Randome, I suggest you follow the advice of your sig line. Get a very good, very, very
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#217
The FBI are not foreign spies, they are a domestic law enforcement organization. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#128
Ethel Rosenberg isnt the issue. You are using what a different agency did to make your point. And
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#135
First off, Assange isn't a dissenter. He's not a US citizen. This isn't a movie or a cartoon.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#138
Justice Department officials privately described investigation as being "unprecedented in scale
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#404
Bwaa hahaha, OMG do you really think that's true? Here's the link to the FBI's international website
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#258
Do you understand what all of that means? I doubt it, in fact I am sure you don't. From YOUR link...
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#259
Wow. You are really a crazy expert in twisting things around. A real gobbledegook expert.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#262
You didn't prove me wrong, you proved you dont know the difference between a law enforcement agency
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#263
You need to read FBI public docs. The FBI can do more foreign intelligence since the Patriot Act
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#271
Here a link to the FBI's website describing their foreign intelligence activities
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#273
In plain English, in the body of this text, it mentions the FBI's foreign intelligence activities
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#274
That is not what that is saying. It is saying in the pursuit of domestic law enforcement the FBI
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#358
Once again, I've talked to CIA Agents and FBI Agents. When have you done so?
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#360
I see the CIA's and FBI's own published material. You have to be an idiot not to understand
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#361
And you are completely misinterpreting what you are reading. I have to ask...
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#362
You want to believe that, I'm sure, because it elevates The Great Hero in your eyes.
randome
Aug 2015
#69
Well, you see, rules are different for the sacred cows like Assange, Sanders and Greenwald.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#204
I am "dumber than a box of hair?" What an interesting insult. And yet....you still can't
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#249
I think the incredible responses that protect the privilege of this particular white man to rape
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#270
WikiLeaks didn't "disown him" -- as usual you are pissing in the thorny wind
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#427
But, but...but... Carl Rove cares very much what happens to Julian Assange!!!!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#310
Your words were indeed clear; they are an awful example of misogyny
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#19
reorg.... here is an excerpt from the Assange legal case that proves Misanthrope is lying again.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#230
So provide your interpretation of what Assange said. Simple. But you refuse to do so
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#231
And I say bullshit to you. My answer to your "request" is contained in post 230
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#235
You are still using information from opinion sites who agree with you about your Assange claims.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#239
The problem you have is, Assange's attorney said these things. You can't explain that away. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#260
do you have any evidence to support this theory you have about these these women? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#71
Okay...give us an "explanation why the guess may be correct." Or, evidence, proof, facts
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#91
It's all based on a cartoonish version of the CIA where Assange is their biggest national security
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#130
HiFiGuy is much closer to truth than you because you refuse to recognize historical patterns
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#175
Your name is so perfect for you, a slight variation of the word "misanthrope" which means
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#384
I agree with you this far HFG: this case should not be assumed to be primarily about rape charges.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#202
I am sure the rest of Democratic Underground would like to see your evidence posted. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#73
You dismissed the women out of hand, right at the start of your diatribe
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#29
The only villains in my hypothesis are the intelligence agencies and those who directed them
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#97
You ignore that your accusations are impossible; you accuse the women of lying
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#103
You're not supposed to talk about facts. You're supposed to indulge in wild conspiracy theories.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#133
Your accusations against Hifyguy are truly out of context of anything he is
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#219
Read the OP. It starts by denying the possibility that the women are telling the truth
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#221
It's because the OP won't even consider that the women could be telling the truth
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#281
You're weighing possibilities; the OP is declaring the rape charges must be false
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#317
No 'hypothesis' in the OP; 'only' about espionage and whistleblowing; not about the wmoen
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#326
It's vile that you think men mistreat women sexually as a matter of course
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#336
There is NOTHING in your highlighted post material that can be construed as a
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#388
Documentation? Yes, I linked to the report of the extradition hearing
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#390
He was on about the fact that he could tell what you wrote would be hidden because
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#234
Twisted Distortion and calling misogyny is absolutely OTT. You have no basis for that, NONE.
2banon
Aug 2015
#276
Of course you don't like the description of your misogynistic conspiracy theory
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#375
"True enough" you say, "and a history too" ??? Why the "NT"? Document your words
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#386
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#377
As his lawyer said, he started having sex with the woman while she was asleep
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#378
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#380
Assange managed to walk the streets of Great Britain free for 2 years while his appeal was going on
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#21
That kind of slow turnaround is so not what a rogue government or intel agency would do.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#67
It's fascinating how a certain segment of the left will promptly throw everyone under the bus to
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#85
white men of privilege need protection. what could be more authoritarian than that? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#89
I tend to agree with your reasoning, but those points are very difficult to prove -
Maedhros
Aug 2015
#52
So what? The issue is criminalizing journalism for exposing government criminality.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#186
This information blows my mind. The notorious Luis Posada and Anna Ardin - alleged Assange accuser
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#367
Declare victory and scoot-your usual cop-out for not knowing squat on the subject. LOL, stevenleser.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#194
A google search on my name and Iraq will show I was on that long before you. No. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#195
Octafish knows WikiLeaks is a reporting entity, a journal, that reveals lies to the world.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#357
It's close to 2 a.m. on the east coast and I just saw your post #237 which blew my mind
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#265
As much a some here would like to believe that "they" would "do anything"...
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#93
You'll understand my reluctance to accept this airtight case without some actual evidence...
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#101
If the CIA had been engaged on the Assange issue, they would have had someone shoot him.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#125
No, I don't. Criminal implies against the law. The laws here would be international.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#163
I said that someone they identified as an actual national security threat would be shot dead
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#170
Yes, it's so terrible that I actually know what I am talking about. You've shamed me.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#208
".... SWEDEN, a nation that has stayed out of all the foreign entanglements...."
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#376
Thank you for having a highly functioning brain with the capacity to organize
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#155
it doesn't even have to pan out to taint his name permanently--one of those "you never CAN tell
MisterP
Aug 2015
#92
And in your link, there is nothing close to what you are alleging in the last 40 or so years.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#141
Have no idea why you would think that I would think you have a hangup about sex!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#232
Saint Julian had his day (lasting a year and a half) in the UK courts and lost. Similarly,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#251
You are wrong. He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts and he hasn't even been charged for God's sake
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#256
He's been back and forth in the Swedish courts trying to get the warrant overturned,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#257
A moment ago, you were telling me "He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts"
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#266
You are right, he did lose his attempts to "overturn the outstanding arrest warrant"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#289
Assange left Sweden for the UK after the Swedish authorities repeatedly contacted his lawyer
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#290
To my knowledge, there is not any US indictment against Assange and so no US extradition request
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#333
Rove says he wants 'Criminal' Julian Assange 'Hunted Down And Grabbed And Put on Trial"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#370
Under European law, to extradite Assange to a third country from Sweden, after extradition
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#280
Manning could obviously be held to a much stricter standard than Assange. But news coverage,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#285
Alleged rape was the cover story. See post number 286 to read about Carl Rove's involvement in this
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#287
Assange's apparent persecutory delusions do not gain credibility simply because various supporters
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#288
He is one of my Facebook friends and was nice enough to drop by at my request
davidpdx
Aug 2015
#325
He did not "evade" Sweden to avoid an interview. The prosecutor REFUSED to do one.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#330
Plenty of posters right here in this thread willing to illustrate your point for you.
pa28
Aug 2015
#308
Wow! What a comment! You didn't read anything in the swedish legal documents did you?
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#331
the only ones leaping are those who are screaming "liar liar" at the women who
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#332
you have already prejudged the alleged victims to be scheming, evil liars and Assange
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#340
Don't conflate the two incidents - the Steubenville victims were not political targets of Carl Rove
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#341
I'd take the Rove conspiracy angle more seriously if you spelled his name right
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#342
that's a possibility, which is why there should be this thing called a 'trial'
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#339
Assange was never given the chance to go to trial, beause he can't do so unless the prosecutor
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#344
So you don't believe in "diabolical legal ploys"? Good for your peace of mind perhaps, but
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#363
And perhaps one more. This one from Assange's attorney in an interview with DER SPIEGEL
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#420
Alan Dershowitz? I suspect his opinion is simply based on whatever is the most anti-Obama
Electric Monk
Aug 2015
#422