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ProgressiveProfessor

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49. Apples and Oranges

Reply to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #27)

Sun May 20, 2012, 01:16 PM

May 2012

Being a sworn LEO makes all the difference.

The point I am making is that those who claimed Zimmerman ignored police orders are wrong. When they lead with that, any further argument they make is devalued/dismissed since they can not get something basic, in this case that the 911 operator has not authority to order anyone to do anything, the rest of what they say is equally questionable.

What the 911 operator said was advisory in nature, very good advice and had he followed it none of this would have happened. Zimmerman owns the death of Martin morally. Hopefully legally as well.

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Trayvon Martin ran from George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman ran him down. [View all] Egalitariat May 2012 OP

GZ got out of his car armed and pursued Trayvon Martin- after being told not to notadmblnd May 2012 #1

Advised, not directed ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #15

he called the police department and the officer on dispatch said "we don't need you to do that" notadmblnd May 2012 #18

Dispatcher should have instructed Z ashling May 2012 #25

I would concede that it was advice if the instruction came from a 911 dispatch notadmblnd May 2012 #42

I am not trying to defend Z ashling May 2012 #45

The dispatcher was asking Zimmerman to act reasonably. JDPriestly May 2012 #61

Again, you have nothing to indicate it was an officer ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #70

Oh please... Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2012 #27

Apples and Oranges ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #49

Here's something that you don't seem to understand GZ did not call 911 he called Sanford PD notadmblnd May 2012 #50

That is the first time I have heard that it was an LEO that Zimmerman spoke to that night before the ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #51

I knew you would come up with something to rationalize and justify it in your mind. notadmblnd May 2012 #56

Have a link to what you posted? ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #59

see post #50 notadmblnd May 2012 #60

If I called 911 about a suspicious person and was asked if I was following them, after responding sabrina 1 May 2012 #57

I think the question will be whether he acted reasonably under the circumstances, JDPriestly May 2012 #63

That should be considered by the jury when assessing his mental state ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #71

Well, the HOA that Zimmerman represented specifically instructs watchmen to not intervene magical thyme May 2012 #62

but why didn't he follow the advice? Blue_Tires May 2012 #65

I've always wondered... If it's a gated community, there is usually a guard at the guard house kayakjohnny May 2012 #2

Only in the high end ones, and Zimmerman's is not ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #16

What do you mean "ran him down"? There are several possible ways of taking that. uppityperson May 2012 #3

Actually, no. There is a very well-understood 'way of taking that'. The Doctor. May 2012 #8

"Ran him down" to me usually means in a vehicle. Why on earth would you feel the need to insult uppityperson May 2012 #12

Nobody knows Peregrine May 2012 #4

His friend on the phone heard it abelenkpe May 2012 #5

actually an eye witness did see two men in a chase magical thyme May 2012 #64

Martin's girlfriend said Martin called her and said he was scared of creepy guy following him. ZombieHorde May 2012 #6

you tell us...is it? Blue_Tires May 2012 #7

"These assholes always get away." - George Zimmerman n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #9

He had to run him down. He was standing his ground. Why do you hate America? Amerigo Vespucci May 2012 #10

He won' t fry malaise May 2012 #37

I know...what I've said consistently is that he's gonna walk. Amerigo Vespucci May 2012 #43

I don't think he'll walk malaise May 2012 #44

Here is the underlying issue that concerns me... Amerigo Vespucci May 2012 #55

Excellent point malaise May 2012 #69

A witness said there was a chase with one person about 10 feet behind the other Quixote1818 May 2012 #11

What The Fuck is a "Whiteness?" (edited) Skip Intro May 2012 #21

I've not read that witness statement Youngat50 May 2012 #26

So do you think Zimmerman's story lacks credibility too? Quixote1818 May 2012 #28

The "source" said... Youngat50 May 2012 #34

The fact is we don't know who started the fight but we do know Quixote1818 May 2012 #47

Your argument is based on reasonable person concept ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #53

You "wonder about the intelligence of" Tray's girlfriend? Good grief and good bye. uppityperson May 2012 #52

A person with 17 posts to their handle... 99Forever May 2012 #54

She will be cross-examined, and the jury will decide her credibility. JDPriestly May 2012 #67

Zimmerman's claim of Martin circling his car makes no sense magical thyme May 2012 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Quixote1818 May 2012 #28

So you joined DU just to say this? Interesting. Lilyeye May 2012 #31

Actually, no. Youngat50 May 2012 #35

"the guy following him" alphafemale May 2012 #33

Because Stand Your Ground doesn't allow for that. Youngat50 May 2012 #36

So you would not be scared to death by some big guy coming after you at night if you were 17? Quixote1818 May 2012 #46

What makes you think she didn't say something? lunatica May 2012 #38

This is uninformed just plain stupid jibberish cr8tvlde May 2012 #58

I suspect that she did not come forward because she was 16 years old JDPriestly May 2012 #66

right shimonitanegi May 2012 #13

He had such a huge issue with black kids... Youngat50 May 2012 #41

This entire episode was instigated by one person bupkus May 2012 #14

Morally of course. Legally is TBD and there is a lot of fuzz on it. ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #17

Hot damn, thanks for coming forward. flvegan May 2012 #20

Case closed is based on a grown man armed with a 9 mm pistol bupkus May 2012 #39

We don't know if that is right, or if what Zimmerman says, Skip Intro May 2012 #19

Which of Zimmerman's several versions are we supposed to believe? Fumesucker May 2012 #22

I was only aware of one. Has he contradicted himself on what happened? Skip Intro May 2012 #23

This goes into some detail Quixote1818 May 2012 #24

Let's see. One had a gun and the other had Skittles. Wonder who was the intimidater. Lint Head May 2012 #32

Why of course the one with Skittles LiberalFighter May 2012 #40

Yes - it's not against the law to run from another citizen Taverner May 2012 #48