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In reply to the discussion: Context and the Assange case. [View all]AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)343. Assange has known since 2011 that a secret indictment was waiting for him in the USA
Last edited Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:00 PM - Edit history (1)
Thanks to a post by DUer SNOT I found this and a good comment from him at the end of this post from 2012.
Taken from Rolling Stone
"WikiLeaks Stratfor Emails: A Secret Indictment Against Julian Assange?"
On January 26, 2011, Fred Burton, the vice president of Stratfor, a leading private intelligence firm which bills itself as a kind of shadow CIA, sent an excited email to his colleagues. "Text Not for Pub," he wrote. "We" meaning the U.S. government "have a sealed indictment on Assange. Pls protect."
The news, if true, was a bombshell. At the time, the Justice Department was ramping up its investigation of Julian Assange, the founder of the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks, which over the past few years has released hundreds of thousands of sensitive government documents. An indictment under the 1917 Espionage Act would be the most serious action taken to date against Assange, possibly paving the way for his extradition to the U.S. (Assange is currently under house arrest in Britain fighting extradition to Sweden on sexual assault charges.)
Burton, a former federal agent with the U.S. Diplomatic Security Services, had reason to trust his information. He often boasted of his stellar government sources ("CIA cronies," he called them in another email), and in his role as a government counter-terror agent he had worked on some of the most high-profile terrorism cases of recent years, including the arrest of the first World Trade Center bomber, Ramzi Yousef. As the VP of Texas-based Stratfor Global Intelligence, a private firm that contracts with corporations and several government agencies, like the Department of Homeland Security, to collect and analyze intelligence on political situations around the world, it was part of his job to keep those contacts alive and share inside information with analysts at the company. (The emails cited in this story contained in a leak of 5 million internal Stratfor messages were examined by Rolling Stone in an investigative partnership with Wikileaks.)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wikileaks-stratfor-emails-a-secret-indictment-against-assange-20120228
Good quote by "SNOT" found in a June 2012 post where he did an analysis of the situation:
"The fact is, most legal experts agree that there's no way to indict Assange for espionage, since he's not a US citizen (i.e., the US isn't his country to begin with, so he can't betray it. Only way to get him is as a co-conspirator with Manning; but apparently they haven't been able to get Manning to implicate him, despite subjecting him to conditions widely considered to be torture; or else they're keeping the indictment secret, perhaps bec. they know if they reveal it, they would be prevented from extradicting him from any number of countries that refuse to allow extradition if the person could face capital punishment.)"
Aikido Soul: Yep. I would worry that the CIA torturers would force Manning to implicate Assange so he could be boiled alive in Guantanamo. Or just do one of those rendiditon kidnappings and drop him out of a plane."
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Read the Swedish Judicial Authority's "Findings of facts and reasons" for insight into how Assange
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#283
OMG!!!! CARL ROVE IS ADVISOR TO SWEDISH GOV RE PROSECUTION OF JULIAN ASSANGE!!!!!!!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#286
Assange has known since 2011 that a secret indictment was waiting for him in the USA
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#343
Comment to SNOT's June 2012 comment about "there's no way to indict Assange for espionage"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#425
An excellent OP, hifiguy! Hope it awakens some here, but the propaganda has been strong. nt
Mnemosyne
Aug 2015
#2
The intelligence agencies and propaganda machines get those billions upon billions
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#4
"Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#291
Maybe it's almost over now? "Julian Assange's attorney speaks out as sexual assault case dropped"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#318
Hifiguy, in case you ever wondered whether Assange helped the world realize that fascism is upon us
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#401
Counterpunch's John Pilger tells the story of Assange and the dangerous stage he's now entering
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#394
Thank you hifiguy for the opportunity to participate in your wonderful thread.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#396
Assange has received many awards and honors for leaking the truth about how the world
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#406
Propaganda galore, but also much support from respected people like Michael Moore and
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#416
i cannot even begin to quantify the irrelevance of what you are attempting to say.
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#5
Right. Because someone, somewhere might be targeted, Assange's word is automatically golden.
randome
Aug 2015
#6
As randome indicated it's entirely possible to be politically on the right side of the spectrum
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#23
how does one frame a man who has admitted to the acts described in the warrant?
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#28
US targets WikiLeaks like no other organisation (interesting 2011 news report)
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#296
Naomi Wolf investigated and discovered that CARL ROVE is advising Sweden in prosecution of ASSANGE
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#306
You are the one speculating using flimsy claims void of facts or documentation.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#313
You're confused. I know the difference between Naoimi Klein and Naomi Wolf, the latter being an
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#319
Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolf, + women's advocacy group, question nature + purpose of Assange prosecution
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#322
Who said informants "deserve to be killed" ???? Do you have a link? Any documentation at all?
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#371
Spycraft uses lies of all types, but sex is both the honeytrap and the button pusher extraordinaire
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#408
w ait a second you're saying Assange was forced into penetrating a sleeping woman? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#66
Methinks you are ignoring the very basic sexual instincts of men, which many consider
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#151
The possibility that this was an intelligence setup is pretty close to zero.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#165
You cannot make that analysis with any certainty whatsoever. But you can look at history
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#172
Sure I can. The nonsense posited here is a virtual impossibility. The CIA does not have time for
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#173
Reality check Mr. Leser. You need to read the book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#209
There are all kinds of books written alleging all kinds of stuff. That doesn't make them true.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#211
I believe some conspiracies happen sure. This simply isn't a plausible one.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#233
OMG -- no wonder corporations and the Rove people want to neutralize Assange
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#412
You said "Arab Spring was a national security risk to leaders of those countries, not to the US"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#241
But Joe Biden said Assange is a "terrorist". Do you think the CIA heard him? Read this:
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#415
If you read the transcript you refer to you would have to admit that you're wrong. Look at your
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#242
You can read, right? Below is a snippet. Assange is not contesting the allegations.
randome
Aug 2015
#255
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#293
Swedish prosecution drops 2 of 4 allegations against Assange due to statute of limitations expiry
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#321
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#294
Look, Assange was staying at the apartment of one of the women he had sex with.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#214
Why can't you admit that Assange is being targeted by Karl Rove and Company
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#372
You took the words out of my mouth zeemike. It's a waste of precious time to argue with
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#215
Right again. Fully half the world is engaged in this grand conspiracy theory of yours.
randome
Aug 2015
#189
Randome, I suggest you follow the advice of your sig line. Get a very good, very, very
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#217
The FBI are not foreign spies, they are a domestic law enforcement organization. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#128
Ethel Rosenberg isnt the issue. You are using what a different agency did to make your point. And
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#135
First off, Assange isn't a dissenter. He's not a US citizen. This isn't a movie or a cartoon.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#138
Justice Department officials privately described investigation as being "unprecedented in scale
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#404
Bwaa hahaha, OMG do you really think that's true? Here's the link to the FBI's international website
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#258
Do you understand what all of that means? I doubt it, in fact I am sure you don't. From YOUR link...
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#259
Wow. You are really a crazy expert in twisting things around. A real gobbledegook expert.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#262
You didn't prove me wrong, you proved you dont know the difference between a law enforcement agency
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#263
You need to read FBI public docs. The FBI can do more foreign intelligence since the Patriot Act
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#271
Here a link to the FBI's website describing their foreign intelligence activities
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#273
In plain English, in the body of this text, it mentions the FBI's foreign intelligence activities
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#274
That is not what that is saying. It is saying in the pursuit of domestic law enforcement the FBI
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#358
Once again, I've talked to CIA Agents and FBI Agents. When have you done so?
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#360
I see the CIA's and FBI's own published material. You have to be an idiot not to understand
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#361
And you are completely misinterpreting what you are reading. I have to ask...
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#362
You want to believe that, I'm sure, because it elevates The Great Hero in your eyes.
randome
Aug 2015
#69
Well, you see, rules are different for the sacred cows like Assange, Sanders and Greenwald.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#204
I am "dumber than a box of hair?" What an interesting insult. And yet....you still can't
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#249
I think the incredible responses that protect the privilege of this particular white man to rape
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#270
WikiLeaks didn't "disown him" -- as usual you are pissing in the thorny wind
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#427
But, but...but... Carl Rove cares very much what happens to Julian Assange!!!!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#310
Your words were indeed clear; they are an awful example of misogyny
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#19
reorg.... here is an excerpt from the Assange legal case that proves Misanthrope is lying again.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#230
So provide your interpretation of what Assange said. Simple. But you refuse to do so
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#231
And I say bullshit to you. My answer to your "request" is contained in post 230
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#235
You are still using information from opinion sites who agree with you about your Assange claims.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#239
The problem you have is, Assange's attorney said these things. You can't explain that away. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#260
do you have any evidence to support this theory you have about these these women? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#71
Okay...give us an "explanation why the guess may be correct." Or, evidence, proof, facts
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#91
It's all based on a cartoonish version of the CIA where Assange is their biggest national security
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#130
HiFiGuy is much closer to truth than you because you refuse to recognize historical patterns
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#175
Your name is so perfect for you, a slight variation of the word "misanthrope" which means
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#384
I agree with you this far HFG: this case should not be assumed to be primarily about rape charges.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#202
I am sure the rest of Democratic Underground would like to see your evidence posted. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#73
You dismissed the women out of hand, right at the start of your diatribe
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#29
The only villains in my hypothesis are the intelligence agencies and those who directed them
hifiguy
Aug 2015
#97
You ignore that your accusations are impossible; you accuse the women of lying
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#103
You're not supposed to talk about facts. You're supposed to indulge in wild conspiracy theories.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#133
Your accusations against Hifyguy are truly out of context of anything he is
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#219
Read the OP. It starts by denying the possibility that the women are telling the truth
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#221
It's because the OP won't even consider that the women could be telling the truth
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#281
You're weighing possibilities; the OP is declaring the rape charges must be false
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#317
No 'hypothesis' in the OP; 'only' about espionage and whistleblowing; not about the wmoen
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#326
It's vile that you think men mistreat women sexually as a matter of course
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#336
There is NOTHING in your highlighted post material that can be construed as a
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#388
Documentation? Yes, I linked to the report of the extradition hearing
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#390
He was on about the fact that he could tell what you wrote would be hidden because
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#234
Twisted Distortion and calling misogyny is absolutely OTT. You have no basis for that, NONE.
2banon
Aug 2015
#276
Of course you don't like the description of your misogynistic conspiracy theory
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#375
"True enough" you say, "and a history too" ??? Why the "NT"? Document your words
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#386
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#377
As his lawyer said, he started having sex with the woman while she was asleep
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#378
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#380
Assange managed to walk the streets of Great Britain free for 2 years while his appeal was going on
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#21
That kind of slow turnaround is so not what a rogue government or intel agency would do.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#67
It's fascinating how a certain segment of the left will promptly throw everyone under the bus to
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#85
white men of privilege need protection. what could be more authoritarian than that? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#89
I tend to agree with your reasoning, but those points are very difficult to prove -
Maedhros
Aug 2015
#52
So what? The issue is criminalizing journalism for exposing government criminality.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#186
This information blows my mind. The notorious Luis Posada and Anna Ardin - alleged Assange accuser
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#367
Declare victory and scoot-your usual cop-out for not knowing squat on the subject. LOL, stevenleser.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#194
A google search on my name and Iraq will show I was on that long before you. No. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#195
Octafish knows WikiLeaks is a reporting entity, a journal, that reveals lies to the world.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#357
It's close to 2 a.m. on the east coast and I just saw your post #237 which blew my mind
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#265
As much a some here would like to believe that "they" would "do anything"...
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#93
You'll understand my reluctance to accept this airtight case without some actual evidence...
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#101
If the CIA had been engaged on the Assange issue, they would have had someone shoot him.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#125
No, I don't. Criminal implies against the law. The laws here would be international.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#163
I said that someone they identified as an actual national security threat would be shot dead
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#170
Yes, it's so terrible that I actually know what I am talking about. You've shamed me.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#208
".... SWEDEN, a nation that has stayed out of all the foreign entanglements...."
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#376
Thank you for having a highly functioning brain with the capacity to organize
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#155
it doesn't even have to pan out to taint his name permanently--one of those "you never CAN tell
MisterP
Aug 2015
#92
And in your link, there is nothing close to what you are alleging in the last 40 or so years.
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#141
Have no idea why you would think that I would think you have a hangup about sex!
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#232
Saint Julian had his day (lasting a year and a half) in the UK courts and lost. Similarly,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#251
You are wrong. He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts and he hasn't even been charged for God's sake
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#256
He's been back and forth in the Swedish courts trying to get the warrant overturned,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#257
A moment ago, you were telling me "He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts"
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#266
You are right, he did lose his attempts to "overturn the outstanding arrest warrant"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#289
Assange left Sweden for the UK after the Swedish authorities repeatedly contacted his lawyer
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#290
To my knowledge, there is not any US indictment against Assange and so no US extradition request
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#333
Rove says he wants 'Criminal' Julian Assange 'Hunted Down And Grabbed And Put on Trial"
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#370
Under European law, to extradite Assange to a third country from Sweden, after extradition
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#280
Manning could obviously be held to a much stricter standard than Assange. But news coverage,
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#285
Alleged rape was the cover story. See post number 286 to read about Carl Rove's involvement in this
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#287
Assange's apparent persecutory delusions do not gain credibility simply because various supporters
struggle4progress
Aug 2015
#288
He is one of my Facebook friends and was nice enough to drop by at my request
davidpdx
Aug 2015
#325
He did not "evade" Sweden to avoid an interview. The prosecutor REFUSED to do one.
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#330
Plenty of posters right here in this thread willing to illustrate your point for you.
pa28
Aug 2015
#308
Wow! What a comment! You didn't read anything in the swedish legal documents did you?
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#331
the only ones leaping are those who are screaming "liar liar" at the women who
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#332
you have already prejudged the alleged victims to be scheming, evil liars and Assange
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#340
Don't conflate the two incidents - the Steubenville victims were not political targets of Carl Rove
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#341
I'd take the Rove conspiracy angle more seriously if you spelled his name right
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#342
that's a possibility, which is why there should be this thing called a 'trial'
geek tragedy
Aug 2015
#339
Assange was never given the chance to go to trial, beause he can't do so unless the prosecutor
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#344
So you don't believe in "diabolical legal ploys"? Good for your peace of mind perhaps, but
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#363
And perhaps one more. This one from Assange's attorney in an interview with DER SPIEGEL
AikidoSoul
Aug 2015
#420
Alan Dershowitz? I suspect his opinion is simply based on whatever is the most anti-Obama
Electric Monk
Aug 2015
#422