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AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
361. I see the CIA's and FBI's own published material. You have to be an idiot not to understand
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

what it means.

Plus the plethora of information and news internationally.

Who made that up?

If you're trying to bait me into admitting who I know in the intelligence agencies -- it won't work.

Context and the Assange case. [View all] hifiguy Aug 2015 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #1
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #99
Read the Swedish Judicial Authority's "Findings of facts and reasons" for insight into how Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #283
OMG!!!! CARL ROVE IS ADVISOR TO SWEDISH GOV RE PROSECUTION OF JULIAN ASSANGE!!!!!!! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #286
Thanks. ronnie624 Aug 2015 #303
Sweden Tells the UN that Indefinite Detention Without Charge is Fine AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #314
Assange has known since 2011 that a secret indictment was waiting for him in the USA AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #343
Comment to SNOT's June 2012 comment about "there's no way to indict Assange for espionage" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #425
Sarah Palin: hunt WikiLeaks founder like al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #426
Good works of Assange's WikiLeaks - Links by country AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #431
An excellent OP, hifiguy! Hope it awakens some here, but the propaganda has been strong. nt Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #2
The intelligence agencies and propaganda machines get those billions upon billions hifiguy Aug 2015 #4
I see you are getting hammered for your OP. Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #179
I expected to get hammered by those hifiguy Aug 2015 #181
bless your heart, hifiguy librechik Aug 2015 #198
Thank you. hifiguy Aug 2015 #199
this thread is fabulous for flushing out moles librechik Aug 2015 #201
"Sex accusers boasted about their 'conquest' of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #291
Maybe it's almost over now? "Julian Assange's attorney speaks out as sexual assault case dropped" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #318
Come back librchik and support hifiguy and those trying to post AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #418
Julian Assange should be awarded Nobel peace prize, suggests Russia AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #430
Hifiguy, in case you ever wondered whether Assange helped the world realize that fascism is upon us AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #401
Counterpunch's John Pilger tells the story of Assange and the dangerous stage he's now entering AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #394
Anyone with a dozen brain cells can connect hifiguy Aug 2015 #395
Thank you hifiguy for the opportunity to participate in your wonderful thread. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #396
Thanks AS. hifiguy Aug 2015 #397
Biden says Assange is a "high tech terrorist" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #428
Assange has received many awards and honors for leaking the truth about how the world AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #406
Here's an excellent post by MARMAR which demonstrates that the government AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #410
There is a vendetta against truth telling AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #411
Propaganda galore, but also much support from respected people like Michael Moore and AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #416
Good God, you're right, Assange is no James Bond. randome Aug 2015 #3
i cannot even begin to quantify the irrelevance of what you are attempting to say. hifiguy Aug 2015 #5
Right. Because someone, somewhere might be targeted, Assange's word is automatically golden. randome Aug 2015 #6
MLK was targeted. Occupy was targeted. hifiguy Aug 2015 #8
Was Scott Ritter targeted? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #14
WTF does Scott Ritter, hifiguy Aug 2015 #16
As randome indicated it's entirely possible to be politically on the right side of the spectrum msanthrope Aug 2015 #23
But no one would have any possible reason to frame Assange, right? hifiguy Aug 2015 #25
how does one frame a man who has admitted to the acts described in the warrant? msanthrope Aug 2015 #28
it was known that he couldn't say no reorg Aug 2015 #34
A bit of spycraft that is literally as old hifiguy Aug 2015 #54
so now you're comparing these women to prostitutes? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #75
Are you REALLY this ignorant about how intelligence people hifiguy Aug 2015 #80
Again....do you have any evidence? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #83
US targets WikiLeaks like no other organisation (interesting 2011 news report) AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #296
A newspaper article from 4 years ago is not proof of anything. msanthrope Aug 2015 #305
Naomi Wolf investigated and discovered that CARL ROVE is advising Sweden in prosecution of ASSANGE AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #306
Again...four years ago. And not 'proven' so much as wildly speculated. msanthrope Aug 2015 #307
You are the one speculating using flimsy claims void of facts or documentation. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #313
you are conflating Naomi Wolf with Naomi Klein. msanthrope Aug 2015 #315
You're confused. I know the difference between Naoimi Klein and Naomi Wolf, the latter being an AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #319
Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolf, + women's advocacy group, question nature + purpose of Assange prosecution AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #322
Newt Gingrich says Assange "...should be treated as an enemy combatant." AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #429
What?! Older articles don't inform you about history of the situation? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #364
Just as you seem to dismiss Assange's previous flaws. randome Aug 2015 #369
Who said informants "deserve to be killed" ???? Do you have a link? Any documentation at all? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #371
He edited out the glint of an RPG in the 'Collateral Damage' video. randome Aug 2015 #385
You twisted the facts in the Stephen Colbert interview randome AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #405
Spycraft uses lies of all types, but sex is both the honeytrap and the button pusher extraordinaire AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #408
w ait a second you're saying Assange was forced into penetrating a sleeping woman? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #66
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #76
You are being ungentlemanly. My suggestion is that until you can refrain msanthrope Aug 2015 #82
Methinks you are ignoring the very basic sexual instincts of men, which many consider AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #151
The possibility that this was an intelligence setup is pretty close to zero. stevenleser Aug 2015 #165
You cannot make that analysis with any certainty whatsoever. But you can look at history AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #172
Sure I can. The nonsense posited here is a virtual impossibility. The CIA does not have time for stevenleser Aug 2015 #173
Reality check Mr. Leser. You need to read the book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #209
There are all kinds of books written alleging all kinds of stuff. That doesn't make them true. stevenleser Aug 2015 #211
Anyone who doesn't believe in conspiracy theory AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #216
I believe some conspiracies happen sure. This simply isn't a plausible one. stevenleser Aug 2015 #233
OMG -- no wonder corporations and the Rove people want to neutralize Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #412
You said "Arab Spring was a national security risk to leaders of those countries, not to the US" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #241
But Joe Biden said Assange is a "terrorist". Do you think the CIA heard him? Read this: AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #415
He has a history of admitting to the accusations. randome Aug 2015 #167
Where is your documentation for these admissions? I'd like to see the AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #210
See msanthrope's link regarding the transcripts. randome Aug 2015 #227
If you read the transcript you refer to you would have to admit that you're wrong. Look at your AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #242
You can read, right? Below is a snippet. Assange is not contesting the allegations. randome Aug 2015 #255
Unless you can provide a link, your post is trash to me. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #261
I already told you it comes from msanthrope's previous link. randome Aug 2015 #282
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #293
Yeah that's some genius legal tactic there cemaphonic Aug 2015 #298
This message was self-deleted by its author AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #320
Swedish prosecution drops 2 of 4 allegations against Assange due to statute of limitations expiry AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #321
Don't you understand randome, Julian Assange was never CHARGED with these allegations AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #294
Look, Assange was staying at the apartment of one of the women he had sex with. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #214
Oops. You're telling a bunch of inconvenient truths. hifiguy Aug 2015 #247
Has there ever been a man pursued like this for such nonsense? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #348
Julian Assange: The Untold Story Of An Epic Struggle For Justice AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #295
Vladimir Putin criticizes the detention and motives to frame Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #432
So you and the other poster are Assange supporters, reorg Aug 2015 #33
So someone with great courage, who is also brilliant, risks his life AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #212
I'm in good company as far as supporters go, both here AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #407
Jeez....it must be frustrating to have to deal with this kind of AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #240
Du has really devolved in the last few years. hifiguy Aug 2015 #243
Thank you for the explanation and especially your committment to stay AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #254
Thanks. There are a lot of good, very smart people here hifiguy Aug 2015 #301
Why can't you admit that Assange is being targeted by Karl Rove and Company AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #372
How is he a threat? He's a narcissistic buffoon! randome Aug 2015 #26
Of course, as a former or current member reorg Aug 2015 #35
What do intelligence services have to do with courts of law? randome Aug 2015 #46
The FBI framed Ethel Rosenberg hifiguy Aug 2015 #56
And you base this on the word of a man accused of a crime? randome Aug 2015 #72
So someone who has been ACCUSED, but not CONVICTED hifiguy Aug 2015 #84
It is a waste of time to try to reason with a lynch mob. zeemike Aug 2015 #111
Indeed. hifiguy Aug 2015 #113
Yep I remember that fiasco. zeemike Aug 2015 #116
They have been allowed to bully and shout down people for a long while. hifiguy Aug 2015 #122
One can only speculate. zeemike Aug 2015 #126
uh, if I recall that was one whacky person that went after SCE and Kali Aug 2015 #177
You took the words out of my mouth zeemike. It's a waste of precious time to argue with AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #215
If he won't face his accusers, he can never be convicted. randome Aug 2015 #145
You really think he would get a fair trial? hifiguy Aug 2015 #183
Right again. Fully half the world is engaged in this grand conspiracy theory of yours. randome Aug 2015 #189
You have not documented a damned thing AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #224
Randome, I suggest you follow the advice of your sig line. Get a very good, very, very AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #217
Well, that's certainly a cogent debating point, isn't it? randome Aug 2015 #226
The FBI are not foreign spies, they are a domestic law enforcement organization. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #128
Ask Ethel Rosenberg how much difference that made. hifiguy Aug 2015 #134
Ethel Rosenberg isnt the issue. You are using what a different agency did to make your point. And stevenleser Aug 2015 #135
The meta-point is a simple one: hifiguy Aug 2015 #137
First off, Assange isn't a dissenter. He's not a US citizen. This isn't a movie or a cartoon. stevenleser Aug 2015 #138
But don't forget, Joe Biden called Assange a "terrorist". AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #414
Sure have. elias49 Aug 2015 #149
Justice Department officials privately described investigation as being "unprecedented in scale AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #404
Bwaa hahaha, OMG do you really think that's true? Here's the link to the FBI's international website AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #258
Do you understand what all of that means? I doubt it, in fact I am sure you don't. From YOUR link... stevenleser Aug 2015 #259
Wow. You are really a crazy expert in twisting things around. A real gobbledegook expert. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #262
You didn't prove me wrong, you proved you dont know the difference between a law enforcement agency stevenleser Aug 2015 #263
The FBI works both domestic and foreign intelligence AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #267
LOL, I thought you put me on ignore... stevenleser Aug 2015 #268
You need to read FBI public docs. The FBI can do more foreign intelligence since the Patriot Act AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #271
As I explained, putting you on IGNORE would give the impression AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #272
Here a link to the FBI's website describing their foreign intelligence activities AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #273
In plain English, in the body of this text, it mentions the FBI's foreign intelligence activities AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #274
That is not what that is saying. It is saying in the pursuit of domestic law enforcement the FBI stevenleser Aug 2015 #358
You are such a vacuous mind. Mincing words is your skill AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #359
Once again, I've talked to CIA Agents and FBI Agents. When have you done so? stevenleser Aug 2015 #360
I see the CIA's and FBI's own published material. You have to be an idiot not to understand AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #361
And you are completely misinterpreting what you are reading. I have to ask... stevenleser Aug 2015 #362
Retired US Intelligence Officers See Benefits of WikiLeaks Truth-telling AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #409
the former are using the latter n/t reorg Aug 2015 #59
You want to believe that, I'm sure, because it elevates The Great Hero in your eyes. randome Aug 2015 #69
'infallibility'? reorg Aug 2015 #81
Your laugable presumption that Assange is some Great Hero hifiguy Aug 2015 #86
So what? He admitted to having consensual sex. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #174
How does a sleeping woman consent to sex? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #185
Well, you see, rules are different for the sacred cows like Assange, Sanders and Greenwald. stevenleser Aug 2015 #204
the authoritarian mindset that protects the privilege of these white men msanthrope Aug 2015 #205
Jesus, you are incredibly single-minded and dumber than a box of hair. hifiguy Aug 2015 #246
I am "dumber than a box of hair?" What an interesting insult. And yet....you still can't msanthrope Aug 2015 #249
I suspect it just means a box of hair never disagreed with him, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #253
I think the incredible responses that protect the privilege of this particular white man to rape msanthrope Aug 2015 #270
He was in bed with her. She was there beside him. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #218
You are a hopeless case in my opinion AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #236
WikiLeaks didn't "disown him" -- as usual you are pissing in the thorny wind AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #427
I believe you completely. I saw many activist targeted including myself AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #142
Thank you for this. It takes courage. elias49 Aug 2015 #152
That one is so amusing, it is like they take it personally or something. Rex Aug 2015 #7
Trying to educate some of the people around here hifiguy Aug 2015 #9
+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #277
If no-one gives a shit, why do you always show up elias49 Aug 2015 #147
You say that Assange "is nothing but another George Zimmerman"?????!!!!! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #213
And you reflexively nullify the women who want him tested. randome Aug 2015 #225
You are misrepresenting Assange. Thank heavens you're not his attorney AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #279
But, but...but... Carl Rove cares very much what happens to Julian Assange!!!! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #310
Nonsense, twaddle and utter foolishness. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #10
I base it on a knowledge of how intelligence agencies hifiguy Aug 2015 #17
Your words were indeed clear; they are an awful example of misogyny muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #19
BS. Women couldn't be blackmailed or bribed by a spy agency? hifiguy Aug 2015 #20
but of course you've offered no evidence of these women were. In T msanthrope Aug 2015 #22
This really isn't about them as people. hifiguy Aug 2015 #24
that's how you view victims of sexual assault? Pawns? msanthrope Aug 2015 #27
You are lying again reorg Aug 2015 #41
I can't make you read the trial court documents..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #55
I read them before you and that's how I know you are lying n/t reorg Aug 2015 #63
reorg.... here is an excerpt from the Assange legal case that proves Misanthrope is lying again. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #230
So provide your interpretation of what Assange said. Simple. But you refuse to do so stevenleser Aug 2015 #231
And I say bullshit to you. My answer to your "request" is contained in post 230 AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #235
There are a myriad of links on the web that dispute you stevenleser Aug 2015 #238
You are still using information from opinion sites who agree with you about your Assange claims. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #239
The problem you have is, Assange's attorney said these things. You can't explain that away. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #260
Jesus. hifiguy Aug 2015 #61
do you have any evidence to support this theory you have about these these women? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #71
My "theory" which is actually a hypothesis, hifiguy Aug 2015 #77
do you have any evidence for this hypothesis? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #79
You clearly don't understand what a hypothesis is hifiguy Aug 2015 #87
Okay...give us an "explanation why the guess may be correct." Or, evidence, proof, facts msanthrope Aug 2015 #91
It's all in the OP but here's the bullet point summary hifiguy Aug 2015 #95
Again...do you have any evidence to support any of your claims? msanthrope Aug 2015 #119
It is an educated guess, like all hypotheses. hifiguy Aug 2015 #121
It's all based on a cartoonish version of the CIA where Assange is their biggest national security stevenleser Aug 2015 #130
HiFiGuy is much closer to truth than you because you refuse to recognize historical patterns AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #175
What historical pattern? Provide examples of other persons. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #184
Your name is so perfect for you, a slight variation of the word "misanthrope" which means AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #384
A little feisty this evening, aren't we? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #387
Ka-boom! CanSocDem Aug 2015 #120
Why thank you! hifiguy Aug 2015 #123
I agree with you this far HFG: this case should not be assumed to be primarily about rape charges. leveymg Aug 2015 #202
That is the central point at which I was driving. hifiguy Aug 2015 #203
Roger. leveymg Aug 2015 #207
LOL reorg Aug 2015 #39
That's your evidence? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #43
You know the evidence as well as I do, LOL n/t reorg Aug 2015 #53
I am sure the rest of Democratic Underground would like to see your evidence posted. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #73
You dismissed the women out of hand, right at the start of your diatribe muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #29
I think they were used by intelligence agencies, a very common practice hifiguy Aug 2015 #32
You're leaving DU? Great. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #36
Hardly. It is highly likely they were coerced into participation hifiguy Aug 2015 #90
Assange admits he started sex with the woman while she was asleep muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #94
The only villains in my hypothesis are the intelligence agencies and those who directed them hifiguy Aug 2015 #97
You ignore that your accusations are impossible; you accuse the women of lying muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #103
I am done with your crap and most especially the completely bogus hifiguy Aug 2015 #105
Assange and his legal team agree with me on the facts muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #109
You're not supposed to talk about facts. You're supposed to indulge in wild conspiracy theories. stevenleser Aug 2015 #133
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Your accusations against Hifyguy are truly out of context of anything he is AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #219
Read the OP. It starts by denying the possibility that the women are telling the truth muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #221
You need some basic lessons in Human Behavior. 2banon Aug 2015 #278
It's because the OP won't even consider that the women could be telling the truth muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #281
I understand. But that isn't the point of the OP. 2banon Aug 2015 #316
You're weighing possibilities; the OP is declaring the rape charges must be false muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #317
No, that isn't quite true. . 2banon Aug 2015 #323
Your words don't match what the OP actually said AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #324
No 'hypothesis' in the OP; 'only' about espionage and whistleblowing; not about the wmoen muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #326
Saying that people like to, and do, have sex is vile? hifiguy Aug 2015 #335
It's vile that you think men mistreat women sexually as a matter of course muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #336
There is NOTHING in your highlighted post material that can be construed as a AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #388
You have now officially lost this thread. I'm out. randome Aug 2015 #389
Documentation? Yes, I linked to the report of the extradition hearing muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #390
You really do twist things around to suit your obsession with the idea AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #393
You're taking this conversation in a very nasty direction muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #398
Projection, projection, projection AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #399
Here's what's nasty: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #400
Oh for God's sake Muriel, why don't you go work with a rape hotline or AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #402
? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #403
Speak for yourself, muriel... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #229
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #153
Damn, you think getting a hide makes you somehow worthy of something? randome Aug 2015 #166
What the fuck are you on about? elias49 Aug 2015 #169
He was on about the fact that he could tell what you wrote would be hidden because stevenleser Aug 2015 #234
There are people on this site who could and would hifiguy Aug 2015 #178
I love beer, pizza, cats and ducks. We have a lot in common. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #222
Twisted Distortion and calling misogyny is absolutely OTT. You have no basis for that, NONE. 2banon Aug 2015 #276
To quote the great physicist Wolfgang Pauli, hifiguy Aug 2015 #374
Of course you don't like the description of your misogynistic conspiracy theory muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #375
... hifiguy Aug 2015 #382
true enough, and a history, too. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #383
"True enough" you say, "and a history too" ??? Why the "NT"? Document your words AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #386
stick your two second opinion into something you haven't even studied. seabeyond Aug 2015 #391
Excellent Post....another K&R! KoKo Aug 2015 #373
Oh for God's sake Muriel, GOOGLE the international reports on what really AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #223
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #377
As his lawyer said, he started having sex with the woman while she was asleep muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #378
You continue to judge Julian Assange solely on alleged crimes for which he has not even been charged AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #380
Crudely said, but well written. K&R eom Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #11
except of course that he admitted doing the acts described in the warrant. msanthrope Aug 2015 #12
Now you weren't supposed to mention that. stevenleser Aug 2015 #15
Assange managed to walk the streets of Great Britain free for 2 years while his appeal was going on msanthrope Aug 2015 #21
That kind of slow turnaround is so not what a rogue government or intel agency would do. stevenleser Aug 2015 #67
Repeating your lies doesn't make them better n/t reorg Aug 2015 #49
I can't make you read his legal argument but here they are...... msanthrope Aug 2015 #60
I read it before you and that's how I know you are lying n/t reorg Aug 2015 #64
OK, so in your opinion/interpretation, what did Assange say? nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #68
How dare you introduce facts into a perfectly good Alex Jones level CT?... SidDithers Aug 2015 #58
It's fascinating how a certain segment of the left will promptly throw everyone under the bus to stevenleser Aug 2015 #85
white men of privilege need protection. what could be more authoritarian than that? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #89
This is wild theorizing without a shred of proof mythology Aug 2015 #13
Do you have even the slightest knowledge of the history hifiguy Aug 2015 #18
do you have the slightest knowledge of history of rape prosecutions? msanthrope Aug 2015 #31
My, my, hifiguy. I do believe you hit a nerve. Zorra Aug 2015 #30
i intended to. hifiguy Aug 2015 #38
as someone who has survived sexual assault ya he did hit a nerve..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #40
It was not. hifiguy Aug 2015 #45
have you considered the context of your own writing? msanthrope Aug 2015 #57
Oh, really. hifiguy Aug 2015 #74
what the hell does Bernie sanders have to do with this? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #78
You pointedly asked if I "knew" that I am posting on a liberal board hifiguy Aug 2015 #88
In my mind, the only relevant point is this: Maedhros Aug 2015 #37
Would Assange be pursued so doggedly had he not hifiguy Aug 2015 #42
I tend to agree with your reasoning, but those points are very difficult to prove - Maedhros Aug 2015 #52
... SidDithers Aug 2015 #44
My opinion of you already can't get any lower. hifiguy Aug 2015 #48
Like i give a fuck... SidDithers Aug 2015 #62
Consider your not giving a fuck returned doubly hifiguy Aug 2015 #65
... SidDithers Aug 2015 #70
WTF is that? Why don't you stick with your signature nn-comment elias49 Aug 2015 #157
Nothing says ''Democracy'' like SHUT UP! Octafish Aug 2015 #51
Your defense of Assange, like your defense of Bill Cosby... SidDithers Aug 2015 #96
Nice smear. Here's today's news... Octafish Aug 2015 #102
That one is capable only of drive-by one liners hifiguy Aug 2015 #107
Here's more of the news... SidDithers Aug 2015 #108
Yeah. Its "harbor" isnt it elias49 Aug 2015 #158
No it's "harbour"... SidDithers Aug 2015 #160
So what? The issue is criminalizing journalism for exposing government criminality. Octafish Aug 2015 #186
You state the crime and the problem perfectly. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #392
Am glad the prosecutor refused Assange's offer AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #351
You are an encyclopedia of info on this topic AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #352
I gotta pile on Luis Posada Carriles, BFEE. Octafish Aug 2015 #356
This information blows my mind. The notorious Luis Posada and Anna Ardin - alleged Assange accuser AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #367
Was it you who was friends with Mr. B? If so, gee! Octafish Aug 2015 #368
Yep. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #131
Hey, stevenleser! Do you think it was fascist for the USA to invade Iraq? Octafish Aug 2015 #188
Hey Octafish, you aren't hijacking this thread with unrelated stuff. stevenleser Aug 2015 #190
Should have known you'd dance around the question, stevenleser. Octafish Aug 2015 #192
I'm not letting you hijack this. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #193
Declare victory and scoot-your usual cop-out for not knowing squat on the subject. LOL, stevenleser. Octafish Aug 2015 #194
A google search on my name and Iraq will show I was on that long before you. No. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #195
Good for you! So, show where I hijacked this thread. Octafish Aug 2015 #197
Here is a link. stevenleser Aug 2015 #196
Great, you were on the case, according to the dateline, anyway, in 2003. Octafish Aug 2015 #200
Octafish knows WikiLeaks is a reporting entity, a journal, that reveals lies to the world. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #357
Thank you for posting this. It's amazing to me how many people are AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #220
You are most welcome, AikidoSoul. Thank you for your excellent summation. Octafish Aug 2015 #237
It's close to 2 a.m. on the east coast and I just saw your post #237 which blew my mind AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #265
As much a some here would like to believe that "they" would "do anything"... brooklynite Aug 2015 #93
Intelligence agencies always cooperate with each other. hifiguy Aug 2015 #98
You'll understand my reluctance to accept this airtight case without some actual evidence... brooklynite Aug 2015 #101
It's a hypothesis based on the known practices of intelligence agencies. hifiguy Aug 2015 #104
If the CIA had been engaged on the Assange issue, they would have had someone shoot him. stevenleser Aug 2015 #125
You admit that the intelligence industry is criminal then. elias49 Aug 2015 #161
No, I don't. Criminal implies against the law. The laws here would be international. stevenleser Aug 2015 #163
But you speculated that they would have simply shot him dead elias49 Aug 2015 #168
I said that someone they identified as an actual national security threat would be shot dead stevenleser Aug 2015 #170
I don't come to these threads with the express purpose elias49 Aug 2015 #171
Yes, it's so terrible that I actually know what I am talking about. You've shamed me. stevenleser Aug 2015 #208
".... SWEDEN, a nation that has stayed out of all the foreign entanglements...." AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #376
Assange and WikiLeaks spilled the beans on War Inc. Octafish Aug 2015 #47
Thank you Octafish. hifiguy Aug 2015 #50
Thank you for a most important OP and thread, hifiguy! Octafish Aug 2015 #106
The opinion of a DUer I respect as much as I do you hifiguy Aug 2015 #110
I am honored. Octafish Aug 2015 #118
Thank you for having a highly functioning brain with the capacity to organize AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #155
GOP Spies at Work on Us ... as in 'We the People' Us. Octafish Aug 2015 #187
Free press is eroding dramatically in my lifetime AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #354
Ours may be an Associative Universe... Octafish Aug 2015 #355
it doesn't even have to pan out to taint his name permanently--one of those "you never CAN tell MisterP Aug 2015 #92
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #100
Back atcha, Willy! hifiguy Aug 2015 #112
Great piece, hifiguy Oilwellian Aug 2015 #114
K&R jwirr Aug 2015 #115
That's some epic length rape apology there cemaphonic Aug 2015 #117
Oh, brother. hifiguy Aug 2015 #124
The spy novel stuff was much more entertaining than vague metaphors cemaphonic Aug 2015 #132
Do a little reading about the history of the CIA. hifiguy Aug 2015 #136
And in your link, there is nothing close to what you are alleging in the last 40 or so years. stevenleser Aug 2015 #141
Assange's history is more recent. He admitted to the accusations. randome Aug 2015 #150
Thanks for some sober common sense about this. eom Cleita Aug 2015 #127
The first question to ask is ALWAYS "Who benefits from this?" hifiguy Aug 2015 #129
k & r & thanks! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2015 #139
Thanks hifiguy malokvale77 Aug 2015 #140
The 'tiresome crap' being that poor widdle Julian is being treated unfairly. randome Aug 2015 #144
It's a simple binary distinction. hifiguy Aug 2015 #182
Thanks, hifiguy. Excellent post. nt truebluegreen Aug 2015 #143
Bravo. Well said and sadly true. elias49 Aug 2015 #146
Kicking and recommending this highly educational thread AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #148
Superb OP! markpkessinger Aug 2015 #156
Thanks k&r n/t lordsummerisle Aug 2015 #159
I Have No Doubt That Spooks Have An Arsenal Of Dirty Tricks Liberal_Dog Aug 2015 #162
That's not as important as what he revealed. That's key. elias49 Aug 2015 #164
So does that mean that heroes should never have sex, or get erections? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #176
Oh, FFS Liberal_Dog Aug 2015 #228
Have no idea why you would think that I would think you have a hangup about sex! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #232
Excellent thread LittleBlue Aug 2015 #180
You ought to write novels... Blue_Tires Aug 2015 #191
Well said. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #206
Very well said - Thank you sir! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #244
Take my word fo it hifiguy Aug 2015 #245
It certainly appears to be that way. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #248
Really appreciate this post "hifiguy!" KoKo Aug 2015 #250
Saint Julian had his day (lasting a year and a half) in the UK courts and lost. Similarly, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #251
You are wrong. He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts and he hasn't even been charged for God's sake AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #256
He's been back and forth in the Swedish courts trying to get the warrant overturned, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #257
He has not physically been back and forth in the Swedish courts AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #264
A moment ago, you were telling me "He did NOT lose in the Swedish Courts" struggle4progress Aug 2015 #266
You are right, he did lose his attempts to "overturn the outstanding arrest warrant" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #289
Assange left Sweden for the UK after the Swedish authorities repeatedly contacted his lawyer struggle4progress Aug 2015 #290
So we wouldnt torture him if he was extradited to the US? MoveIt Aug 2015 #327
To my knowledge, there is not any US indictment against Assange and so no US extradition request struggle4progress Aug 2015 #333
Rove says he wants 'Criminal' Julian Assange 'Hunted Down And Grabbed And Put on Trial" AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #370
Delighted to K&R this. Great post. Thank you n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #252
I admit I'm not very well informed about the whole thing surrounding Assange davidpdx Aug 2015 #269
Under European law, to extradite Assange to a third country from Sweden, after extradition struggle4progress Aug 2015 #280
Really there are only 3 countries involved cemaphonic Aug 2015 #284
Manning could obviously be held to a much stricter standard than Assange. But news coverage, struggle4progress Aug 2015 #285
Alleged rape was the cover story. See post number 286 to read about Carl Rove's involvement in this AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #287
Assange's apparent persecutory delusions do not gain credibility simply because various supporters struggle4progress Aug 2015 #288
So hypothetically if he stepped outside the Ecuadorian Embassy davidpdx Aug 2015 #292
Basically yes cemaphonic Aug 2015 #297
If he jumped bail would he not forfeit whatever money he put up davidpdx Aug 2015 #299
The money (paid by friends and supporters mostly) cemaphonic Aug 2015 #300
IIRC violation of the Bail Act can result in a term of imprisonment struggle4progress Aug 2015 #304
This is extraordinary Judgestone Aug 2015 #309
Thank you and yes, many agree with you who have knowledge of Swedish law AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #312
He is one of my Facebook friends and was nice enough to drop by at my request davidpdx Aug 2015 #325
EXTRADITION TREATY BETWEEN SWEDEN AND USA EXISTS -- LINK BELOW AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #328
He did not "evade" Sweden to avoid an interview. The prosecutor REFUSED to do one. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #330
Assange's Swedish lawyer rather struck the UK magistrate as a liar: struggle4progress Aug 2015 #334
Excellent Post. Wonderfully succinct and straight forward in articulation 2banon Aug 2015 #275
Thank you. I poked the status quo/corporatist bear hifiguy Aug 2015 #302
Status quo pro-authoritarians tools as well. :). 2banon Aug 2015 #311
Plenty of posters right here in this thread willing to illustrate your point for you. pa28 Aug 2015 #308
please excuse yourself from serving on any rape jury nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #329
Wow! What a comment! You didn't read anything in the swedish legal documents did you? AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #331
the only ones leaping are those who are screaming "liar liar" at the women who geek tragedy Aug 2015 #332
OMG. hifiguy Aug 2015 #338
you have already prejudged the alleged victims to be scheming, evil liars and Assange geek tragedy Aug 2015 #340
That statement is so absurd I will waste only these fourteen words on it. hifiguy Aug 2015 #349
"Not one thing about this case is about any person save Julian Assange" geek tragedy Aug 2015 #350
Don't conflate the two incidents - the Steubenville victims were not political targets of Carl Rove AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #341
I'd take the Rove conspiracy angle more seriously if you spelled his name right geek tragedy Aug 2015 #342
Pathetic. Naomi Wolf is a former advisor to Al Gore And Bill Clinton AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #346
You really, REALLY don't think spy agencies don't try to get the goods hifiguy Aug 2015 #337
that's a possibility, which is why there should be this thing called a 'trial' geek tragedy Aug 2015 #339
Assange was never given the chance to go to trial, beause he can't do so unless the prosecutor AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #344
Fugitives don't get to complain about a lack of a trial nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #345
BWAAAAHHHAAA AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #347
the Assange fanclub "logic" is getting pretty convoluted cemaphonic Aug 2015 #353
So you don't believe in "diabolical legal ploys"? Good for your peace of mind perhaps, but AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #363
You keep children's bath toys in your safe? cemaphonic Aug 2015 #365
Yes, I do. We keep all our valuables there! AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #366
Great work on this thread. CanSocDem Aug 2015 #413
Thank you CanSocDem. Very much. AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #419
K&R for TRUTH!! ~nt~ b.durruti Aug 2015 #379
Thanks! hifiguy Aug 2015 #381
And it needs another... Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #417
And perhaps one more. This one from Assange's attorney in an interview with DER SPIEGEL AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #420
Awww...one more! Wikileaks: Brazil President Lula backs Julian Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #421
Alan Dershowitz? I suspect his opinion is simply based on whatever is the most anti-Obama Electric Monk Aug 2015 #422
He's a conservative who supports WickiLeaks founder Assange AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #424
New WikiLeaks show Saudi Arabia's global attempts to undermine Iran AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #423
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