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In reply to the discussion: Context and the Assange case. [View all]AikidoSoul
(2,150 posts)I never made any comment whatsoever whether the women did, or did not enjoy sex. I do know they consented. Whether they enjoyed it or not --- you would have to ask them. One thing for certain, nowhere in the legal literature regarding this case did they say that they did not enjoy it. The ONLY thing that appeared as a concern is that they wanted was for Assange to be tested for venereal disease.
The woman who was asleep when Assange made advances to her, -- is that so awful? It is quite often a natural occurrence in real life for many of us. Whether she enjoyed it or not ... you would have to ask her. I do know that once he made the advances -- that she allowed him to make love to her, and did not resist. Muriel, it may come as a shock to you, but some women actually enjoy it if their partner approaches and penetrates them while sleeping... especially when it's close to the time to wake up anyway. Many women have experienced this. It's a lovely way to wake up. Many have experienced it as playful and joyful.
Nobody in this thread suggested anything about when women should "submit" to sex. Interesting word you use Muriel --- "submit" as though sex is some kind of punishment -- or that women are intrinsically helpless, and are forced to assume a passive attitude when having sex with a man.
You accused me of "taking this conversation in a very nasty direction." What is nasty about it? Are you squeamish about the act of sex? You were the one who brought it up to begin with, so don't expect it not to be on the table for discussion!
Misogyny is a problem in the world-at-large, but I don't see Assange as behaving like a misogynist in his sexual encounters with the women. The two women even bragged of their famous conquest among their associates. But if you trust their intentions, after all one of them is suspected of having CIA affiliations, well why don't you make it your project to write to them and ask away?
BROKEN RECORD: Assange could not be extradited without being charged with a crime. He was not charged because the prosecutor did not fulfill her duties to conduct an interview with the subject. Please remember that it was Karl Rove's suggestion that he be "snatched".
Maybe that would satisfy you if he ended up in the horrid detention facility in Cuba?
Assange left Sweden because he was afraid they WOULD extradite or kidnap him. Assange knows that the Swedish government and the womens' legal council, have cooperated with at least one Extraordinary Rendition which enabled two persons seeking asylum to be taken to Eygpt and tortured.
It's a pity that you cannot see the good that Assange has done by revealing the thousands of lies told by many governments including our own, some of which led to unneccessary wars which made the war profiteers quite happy. I'm sure many women and girls were raped in those wars.
There were many other lies as well that incrementally rigged countries' political and economic systems to benefit the SuperRich at the expense of the rest of us. So who are the bad guys -- Assange or the thousands of liars who have created great wealth for the 1/10% who are made up of war profiteers among others?