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LiberalLovinLug

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56. I think one cannot get caught up in individuals peccadillos

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:33 PM

Aug 2015

but look at the actual Party platforms. And their history. I guess if you go far enough back you will find it was Democrats that were the most racist in the deep south, but if you look to their platforms AFTER the Republican Southern Strategy, you will find the New Deal, and you will find it is the Democratic Party that has fought hardest for the working classes on issues like minimum wages, women's right to vote, protecting the environment, protecting social programs that benefit those in need.

Of course there are Blue Dog DINOs or even Democrat Presidents caught literally with their pants down. Of course there are many examples of bad behaviour on the R side of the isle.

But base your vote on the present day platform of the party, and more specifically the candidates running for that party.

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I am weary to my marrow of the deep moral and intellectual sickness of the right [View all] cali Aug 2015 OP

+1,000 Scuba Aug 2015 #1

Good rant. Keep in mind, when someone says "We can get Republican grassroots to vote for X candidate stevenleser Aug 2015 #2

the opportunity to get republicans to vote for candidate X tk2kewl Aug 2015 #5

You are preaching to the choir on that point. It's exactly why I do what I do where I do it. stevenleser Aug 2015 #7

I'm sorry - what is it that you do and where do you do it? tularetom Aug 2015 #76

I wasn't responding to you, but if you are curious Google is your friend. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #79

Nah, I don't really care that much but your post had kind of an implicit self important tone tularetom Aug 2015 #81

Nope, it didn't. stevenleser Aug 2015 #82

No it's not. There are many republicans azmom Aug 2015 #8

Even when they don't hold the views themselves, they tolerate them in the folks for whom they vote. stevenleser Aug 2015 #9

The Democratic Party has plenty of bigots. azmom Aug 2015 #14

An interesting red herring but ultimately not related to the discussion. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #22

Of course not azmom Aug 2015 #27

Glad you can see that. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #29

Didn't you know better than to... ryan_cats Aug 2015 #80

No it's not. There are many republicans The CCC Aug 2015 #40

All republicans Bad, all democrats good. azmom Aug 2015 #41

I think one cannot get caught up in individuals peccadillos LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #56

Lots of Republican voters thought they were voting for fiscal conservatives or against union bosses JDPriestly Aug 2015 #38

I think you are right, particularly as to those who only hifiguy Aug 2015 #51

Amen.... daleanime Aug 2015 #3

Just don't hold your breath waiting for Republicans to change. world wide wally Aug 2015 #4

A significant number of folks here have been saying Bernie will change their minds and get them to stevenleser Aug 2015 #10

We won't need many votes from them. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #21

Then your expectations are in the ballpark because if nominated he would get close to zero. stevenleser Aug 2015 #23

He's not a generic Socialist (but you knew that). Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #25

We can argue what Bernie is, but that doesn't matter, and YOU know that. It only matters what stevenleser Aug 2015 #28

It's not impossible to fight. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #32

You think so? Ask George Allen how easy it was to fight "Macaca" with video of him saying it. stevenleser Aug 2015 #34

There are far more where he explains what a Democratic Socialist is, Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #37

That won't matter. I'm surprised you need anyone to tell you this. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #44

I hope you read beyond my post title. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #45

And if Clinton wins the nomination, the Republicans will point out that she joined them rhett o rick Aug 2015 #61

That's a joke right? The last thing the GOP will mention is the Iraq war. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #63

That's your opinion. By the way, Jeb has already mentioned it. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #71

Yeah, in response to questions he clearly didn't want to answer. And he fumbled stevenleser Aug 2015 #72

So you admit the the GOP has already mentioned the Iraq War but still contend rhett o rick Aug 2015 #75

No, that is your strawman. GOP candidates were asked about it by reporters. stevenleser Aug 2015 #78

You said they wouldn't mention it and yet they did and I think they will again. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #84

Doesn't matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it's still wrong. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #89

How very untrue. Many Republicans are warming to the message of honesty that Sen Sanders rhett o rick Aug 2015 #60

Anyone falling for that, Chris Christie has a bridge he would like to sell you. stevenleser Aug 2015 #64

an equally heartsick k and r niyad Aug 2015 #6

Thank you, cali. I do tire of protestations that republican X, Y or Z is a 'broken clock'. They are pampango Aug 2015 #11

I just saw Jimmy Carter on TV, the oft mocked Carter by the right hollysmom Aug 2015 #12

I missed this post originally but this is a great point. Carter was 100% honest all the time. That stevenleser Aug 2015 #73

I think Sanders has been around Washington a good long time and will not face it naively. hollysmom Aug 2015 #74

The responsibility to change it comes from the left, which is divided, fearful, apathetic. Gregorian Aug 2015 #13

I largely disagree with you. And it's hardly just a tiny group in the congress. cali Aug 2015 #15

For my benefit, please elaborate. I'm here to learn. Gregorian Aug 2015 #20

+1000000000 azmom Aug 2015 #16

You're looking at today and ignoring yesterday. jeff47 Aug 2015 #17

If we are going to talk history then you are ignoring plenty as well. stevenleser Aug 2015 #26

Because the global left is a monolithic bloc jeff47 Aug 2015 #48

Further enhanced by any media taking any of these Candidates seriously.... glinda Aug 2015 #18

yes. the media eggs it all on by treating outrageous crap as if cali Aug 2015 #19

That is the biggest problem. hifiguy Aug 2015 #52

You are being too kind Generic Other Aug 2015 #24

The backlash is already in motion. DirkGently Aug 2015 #30

Very good points. Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #39

A very thought provoking post, hifiguy Aug 2015 #54

Does Trump actually believe in "protectionism for union workers"? Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #65

I was thinking of his recent "import tariff" proposals DirkGently Aug 2015 #67

What else can we expect of the party of slave owners. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #31

You may be, but they aren't. It's sport to them, now. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #33

IF FOX news disappeared tomorrow.... yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #35

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #36

I am weary to my marrow swilton Aug 2015 #42

I refuse to believe kacekwl Aug 2015 #43

I thought Kasich had a modicum of sanity until his 'get rid of the teacher's lounges' comments. panader0 Aug 2015 #46

me too, pan. oh well. cali Aug 2015 #59

Two party system isn't working Milliesmom Aug 2015 #47

As I was saying about the gas lines Milliesmom Aug 2015 #66

Nicely stated rant. Please post all over the Internet where you can, nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #49

May i re-post with attribution? nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #50

sure. cali Aug 2015 #58

if it weren't for the neoliberal and corporatist aspects of this party, republicans wouldnt be HFRN Aug 2015 #53

Being Repuke-Lite is VASTLY more personally profitable. hifiguy Aug 2015 #55

Yep. If I knew what was going to happen to this country with its regressivism, mmonk Aug 2015 #57

K&R... spanone Aug 2015 #62

Please add electronic voting machines to your list. Stevepol Aug 2015 #68

Sadly, a lot of the moral decay is because of so-called Christian churches tabasco Aug 2015 #69

Also contributing to the decay is the conservative Catholic movement. John1956PA Aug 2015 #77

It's a dangerous and scary moment in a 2-party system when one of the KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #70

It's all a game of misdirection with them, Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #83

I keep hoping that clown Trumpet will display such ugliness and bigotry AikidoSoul Aug 2015 #85

You would think their movement would've died out completely by now. I mean craigmatic Aug 2015 #86

Advanced corruption always eventually rots and is replaced by new cleaner components. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #88

The fundamental "wrongness" of the "deep moral and intellectual sickness of the right" ladjf Aug 2015 #87

Don't mourn: organize struggle4progress Aug 2015 #90