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74. Most "shit stirring atheists" have plenty experience being opressed by "religionists."
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:53 PM
Aug 2015

Their pushing back is entirely good, reasonable, and necessary in a free society.

I'm a Catholic heretic. My mom was going to be a nun until she met a leering, smoking, hard drinking priest who didn't seem all that holy to her. My mom bounces around between extremes, so of course she ended up with the Jehovah Witnesses, and meeting my dad, both working in Hollywood, they married and had a whole mess of kids Catholic style.

As a little kid who was already very weird, I ignored the Pledge of Allegiance to fidget at my desk, increasing my reputation for weirdness. My fourth grade teacher, who was a very wonderful person in many ways, used me as an example of religious freedom in the U.S.A.. Is it any wonder I hated school? I was always an outsider, an alien.

Unfortunately my mom has a tendency to say whatever she's thinking, sometimes about her conversations with God, and she also loves politics. That got us kicked out of the Kingdom Hall, bouncers at the front door style. After that we were soon Quakers. My mom could say whatever was on her mind, people listened respectfully, and then the Meeting moved on.

I still didn't say the Pledge in school. Quakers don't do that. I've seen my mom get in pissing contests with Catholic Bishops, and I was worried she might make a scene at my Big Catholic Wedding. (My wife is Mexican Irish Catholic, my mom's family is frontier Wild West Catholic.) I was even more worried about my crazy grandma who had a history of corrupting nice Mormon boys, throwing crockery at firemen, and biting policemen. (My grandpa was not a nice Mormon boy, but the two of them conceived a baby and fled poisonous religious tongue wagging and discrimination to non-Mormon California to work in the shipyards as welders.) My mom and her mom did not cause trouble at our wedding, they seemed to be enjoying themselves immensely. My dad, my brothers, religious heretics all of them, had a grand time making small talk with the priest about fishing.

My own relationship with the Catholic Church is complicated. Someday maybe I'll write a novel.

I know all about religious social pressures. It's not the atheist community imposing their beliefs upon anyone under color of authority.

My most disturbing heresy is time. I believe there is no such thing. Time travel and faster than light travel are impossible. We are all moving at the speed of light, nothing slower, nothing faster. Everything is relative and both the past and the future are fuzzy clouds of probability we are free to wander in from our own "now."

It's all stories, and the stories never end. The universe is very big, and our human minds are very small. We must cherish one another. What we "believe" changes both the past and the future.

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #1
LOL, get a load of this mayors mug... snooper2 Aug 2015 #2
Wrought by an angry god. snort Aug 2015 #5
That character looks like hifiguy Aug 2015 #7
That's not the bird I envision when I think of Les..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #14
"The turkeys are hitting the ground like bags of wet cement...." hifiguy Aug 2015 #26
If that doesn't have 70s TV preacher written all over it.... Roland99 Aug 2015 #10
BEGONE SATAN!!!! d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #18
Man, I would hate to see the bandage Les would wear after that encounter CBGLuthier Aug 2015 #75
A DUH looking character if ever. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #78
Is it Wednesday yet? JHB Aug 2015 #82
Both "stations" will now be eliminated in very short order whatthehey Aug 2015 #3
and the RWC's will complain (and campaign) that atheists are persecuting them 0rganism Aug 2015 #8
All the city has to do is rename the station to "Prayer or other purpose" station happyslug Aug 2015 #12
Why should the city provide any space for any non-municipal use? csziggy Aug 2015 #29
My point was the room could meet CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER with a minor change.... happyslug Aug 2015 #80
Ahhhh, my hometown etherealtruth Aug 2015 #4
I find this interesting. Is your area a really Roman Catholic area? Prayer jwirr Aug 2015 #9
Extremely RC and Maronite Catholic ... very much a democratic party stronghold, too etherealtruth Aug 2015 #19
Yes, many catholics are Democrats. They truly believe in what Pope jwirr Aug 2015 #20
Though I left Catholocism and religion behind years ago, I credit the RC church .... etherealtruth Aug 2015 #21
You ust have been raised in the John XXIII era. hifiguy Aug 2015 #27
Definitely Irish Catholic etherealtruth Aug 2015 #30
Religious zealots have no shame. blackspade Aug 2015 #6
Curious, why the f*** is a "prayer station" even needed in a City Hall?? Roland99 Aug 2015 #11
Praying that no one finds out that you are Thor_MN Aug 2015 #13
Meanwhile agnostics are the sane ones once again seveneyes Aug 2015 #15
In what way is this unreasonable or shit stirring on the atheist's part? Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #16
Agnostics have an open mind seveneyes Aug 2015 #17
I'm agnostic and I disagree with your overbearing characterization AndreaCG Aug 2015 #22
Look up "strong atheism" vs. "weak atheism". DavidDvorkin Aug 2015 #23
I am a strong atheist - secular, scientific and humanistic. hifiguy Aug 2015 #28
You seem rather ignorant of what atheists believe, why not educate yourself before you embarrass... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #32
atheists believe they know something they don't know is a fact seveneyes Aug 2015 #35
There are different kinds of atheism. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #36
I know not what an athiest believes seveneyes Aug 2015 #37
That is true, you obviously know nothing about atheism. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #38
You can't stereotype a believer seveneyes Aug 2015 #39
What do I believe? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #41
You tell me seveneyes Aug 2015 #42
From about atheism : beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #44
"not believing in gods" seveneyes Aug 2015 #45
LMAO! "not everyone can become logical scientists" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #46
I'll take the Denver Boot for 1000 seveneyes Aug 2015 #47
Don't quit your day job. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #48
If you are calling me a fundamentalist seveneyes Aug 2015 #49
You're sure acting like one. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #51
The fact remains, athiest and religionists are belivers in unproven imagination seveneyes Aug 2015 #52
Calling me a believer when I told you I'm not is bigoted. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #53
You either believe there is a god or you believe there is not a god seveneyes Aug 2015 #54
I am an agnostic atheist. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #55
At least you finally admit you are an agnostic seveneyes Aug 2015 #56
Now you're having difficulties with reading comprehension. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #57
I believe you admitted you believe there is no god seveneyes Aug 2015 #58
I told you I am an atheist yet you still believe I'm an agnostic without proof. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #62
Music is as close as I get to religion seveneyes Aug 2015 #64
Nope. You're very religious in your thinking. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #66
logic is fundamental seveneyes Aug 2015 #68
It's illogical to believe something is true because you keep saying it. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #69
One has to believe in something seveneyes Aug 2015 #70
Even when they know it's illogical. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #71
lack of belief is not the same as disbelief. nt Ligyron Aug 2015 #63
If you negate believing what do you have logically ? seveneyes Aug 2015 #67
niether puters or associated hardware have beliefs. Ligyron Aug 2015 #72
Not having a belief is the same as having a belief? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #85
Go away and read a book or two. Not your diary, I mean a book written by mr blur Aug 2015 #88
Show me an atheist that allows for an undiscovered greater being and I'll show you an agnostic. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #89
The question is, do you believe it diety or do you not. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #59
An agnostic requires proof seveneyes Aug 2015 #61
Yes, and you can't prove a negative. So agnostic atheist would be me. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #65
No they don't, most disbelieve a claim, just like a claim about the existence of Sasquatch or... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #76
I'd argue that many, if not most, recognize that it's a belief. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #87
The worst of the three: the know it all agnostic Lordquinton Aug 2015 #40
XKCD.jpeg requires a bit more direction to its source seveneyes Aug 2015 #43
You don't have a clue what the word atheist even mean. nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #90
You keep using that word... MindPilot Aug 2015 #25
I don't expect everyone to understand quantum states seveneyes Aug 2015 #31
Please do NOT misuse quantum physics to try to bolster your non-point. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #33
My boots are full of water seveneyes Aug 2015 #34
He's pulling a Deepak! cleanhippie Aug 2015 #86
Somebody said Deepak. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #91
Most "shit stirring atheists" have plenty experience being opressed by "religionists." hunter Aug 2015 #74
You are showing your lack of knowledge. Most "atheists" are given that label without their approval. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #84
Fuck, haven't seen a smug agnostic like you in a long time EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2015 #92
But but but ... The Mayor, James Fout, then went on to compare atheists to the Ku Klux Klan. PufPuf23 Aug 2015 #24
Religion is often a tool for evil minds. L. Coyote Aug 2015 #50
I demand they add a "maybe" booth seveneyes Aug 2015 #60
reason has no place in politics apparently rurallib Aug 2015 #73
the satanic temple should join in. niyad Aug 2015 #77
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #79
"Prayer station"? No problem... JHB Aug 2015 #81
K&R!!! haikugal Aug 2015 #83
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