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In reply to the discussion: The Verdict is in: Guess Who's The Worst President in US History? -- Guess who? [View all]OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)71. Not for us, anyway.
The Logical Bipartisan Insanity of Endless War
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-logical-bipartisan-insanity-of-endless-war/
War Pays for Some: A Hunt for Cash
Thats something for the leading liberal pundit, partisan Democrat, and converted Obama fan Paul Krugman to reflect on. War, Krugman informed New York Times readers last August, doesnt pay anymore, if it ever did for modern, wealthy nations. This is particularly true, Krugman feels, in an interconnected world where war would necessarily inflict severe economic harm on the victor.
Theres truth in his argument if by war we mean only major military conflicts between large and industrialized states. Such conflagrations are more than unlikely in our current ultra-imperialist (Karl Kautskys term) era marked by massive cross-national capital investment and global market inter-penetration.
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-logical-bipartisan-insanity-of-endless-war/
War Pays for Some: A Hunt for Cash
Thats something for the leading liberal pundit, partisan Democrat, and converted Obama fan Paul Krugman to reflect on. War, Krugman informed New York Times readers last August, doesnt pay anymore, if it ever did for modern, wealthy nations. This is particularly true, Krugman feels, in an interconnected world where war would necessarily inflict severe economic harm on the victor.
Theres truth in his argument if by war we mean only major military conflicts between large and industrialized states. Such conflagrations are more than unlikely in our current ultra-imperialist (Karl Kautskys term) era marked by massive cross-national capital investment and global market inter-penetration.
More on Karl Kautsky:
Winslow, E. M. (1931). Marxian, liberal, and sociological theories of imperialism. Journal of Political Economy, 39(6), 713-758.
To Hilferding imperialism is a policy of capitalism and not a stage of capitalism itself. Kautsky also held this view, but he differed with Hilferding in regarding imperialism as a policy of industrial (albeit a "highly developed"
capitalism rather than of financial capitalism. From the policy viewpoint, regardless of how it expresses itself, capitalism conceivably possesses the power to turn competitive imperialism into a cooperative economic internationalism. Kautsky, indeed, came to the conclusion during the war that imperialism is not inevitable or unalterable under capitalism but may yet attain a still higher synthesis, an "ultra-" or "super-imperialism," under which a peaceful policy may be adopted as in the days of Manchesterism, as the best means of eliminating the wastes of competitive warfare and of insuring uninterrupted profits.36 Hilferding likewise thought such an eventuality possible economically but not politically, because of antagonistic interests between the powers.37
Turning to the radical communist representatives of Marxian thought, we find very little originality, but a vast amount of polemical criticism of the theories of imperialism held by Kautsky, Hilferding, and all center and right-wing socialists. The outstanding example of this sort of criticism is found in Lenin's Imperialism.38 Embittered and disillusioned, particularly by the failure of Kautsky, so long regarded as Marx's direct successor, to go the whole way with violent revolution, Lenin makes him the scape-goat for all revisionist "renegades" from true Marxism.
Lenin and the communists generally are hostile to the notion that capitalism is capable of adopting a peaceful policy, even temporarily. The fact that capitalism once went through a peaceful stage is regarded as a mere episode in its development.39 Lenin identifies imperialism with the monopoly stage of capitalism and scornfully rejects the view that it is a mere external policy. He looks upon imperialism as "a tendency to violence and reaction in general,"40 and he brands any suggestion that it is otherwise as the talk of bourgeois reformers and socialist opportunists which glosses over the "deepest internal contradictions of imperialism."4I Granting, says Lenin, that capitalist nations should combine into such an "ultra-imperialism" or world-alliance as that visualized by Kautsky and others, it could be no more than temporary, for peaceful alliances prepare the ground for wars.42
To Hilferding imperialism is a policy of capitalism and not a stage of capitalism itself. Kautsky also held this view, but he differed with Hilferding in regarding imperialism as a policy of industrial (albeit a "highly developed"
Turning to the radical communist representatives of Marxian thought, we find very little originality, but a vast amount of polemical criticism of the theories of imperialism held by Kautsky, Hilferding, and all center and right-wing socialists. The outstanding example of this sort of criticism is found in Lenin's Imperialism.38 Embittered and disillusioned, particularly by the failure of Kautsky, so long regarded as Marx's direct successor, to go the whole way with violent revolution, Lenin makes him the scape-goat for all revisionist "renegades" from true Marxism.
Lenin and the communists generally are hostile to the notion that capitalism is capable of adopting a peaceful policy, even temporarily. The fact that capitalism once went through a peaceful stage is regarded as a mere episode in its development.39 Lenin identifies imperialism with the monopoly stage of capitalism and scornfully rejects the view that it is a mere external policy. He looks upon imperialism as "a tendency to violence and reaction in general,"40 and he brands any suggestion that it is otherwise as the talk of bourgeois reformers and socialist opportunists which glosses over the "deepest internal contradictions of imperialism."4I Granting, says Lenin, that capitalist nations should combine into such an "ultra-imperialism" or world-alliance as that visualized by Kautsky and others, it could be no more than temporary, for peaceful alliances prepare the ground for wars.42
The Logical Bipartisan Insanity of Endless War
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-logical-bipartisan-insanity-of-endless-war/
But many elites in rich nations, the US (the worlds sole military superpower) above all, still and quite reasonably see an economic payoff in undertaking military engagements in mostly poor and pre-modern but resource-rich nations and regions. In a more classically national-imperialist vein, Washington remains committed to the use of military force in pursuit of the control of Middle Eastern oil (and other strategic energy concentrations around the world) because of the critical leverage such control grants the US over competitor states.
The biggest flaw in Krugmans argument is his failure to make the (one would think) elementary distinction between (a) the wealthy Few and (b) the rest of us and society as whole when it comes to who loses and who gains from contemporary (endless) war, As the venerable U.S. foreign policy critic Edward S. Herman asks and observes:
Doesnt war pay for Lockheed-Martin, GE, Raytheon, Honeywell, Halliburton, Chevron, Academi (formerly Blackwater) and the vast further array of contractors and their financial, political, and military allies? An important feature of projecting power (i.e., imperialism) has always been the skewed distribution of costs and benefits The costs have always been borne by the general citizenry (including the dead and injured military personnel and their families), while the benefits accrue to privileged sectors whose members not only profit from arms supply and other services, but can plunder the victim countries during and after the invasion-occupation.
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-logical-bipartisan-insanity-of-endless-war/
But many elites in rich nations, the US (the worlds sole military superpower) above all, still and quite reasonably see an economic payoff in undertaking military engagements in mostly poor and pre-modern but resource-rich nations and regions. In a more classically national-imperialist vein, Washington remains committed to the use of military force in pursuit of the control of Middle Eastern oil (and other strategic energy concentrations around the world) because of the critical leverage such control grants the US over competitor states.
The biggest flaw in Krugmans argument is his failure to make the (one would think) elementary distinction between (a) the wealthy Few and (b) the rest of us and society as whole when it comes to who loses and who gains from contemporary (endless) war, As the venerable U.S. foreign policy critic Edward S. Herman asks and observes:
Doesnt war pay for Lockheed-Martin, GE, Raytheon, Honeywell, Halliburton, Chevron, Academi (formerly Blackwater) and the vast further array of contractors and their financial, political, and military allies? An important feature of projecting power (i.e., imperialism) has always been the skewed distribution of costs and benefits The costs have always been borne by the general citizenry (including the dead and injured military personnel and their families), while the benefits accrue to privileged sectors whose members not only profit from arms supply and other services, but can plunder the victim countries during and after the invasion-occupation.
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The Verdict is in: Guess Who's The Worst President in US History? -- Guess who? [View all]
Feeling the Bern
Aug 2015
OP
I refer you to my OP and the hyperlink for my answer to your question.
Feeling the Bern
Aug 2015
#111
I liked the article I just don't believe the other ones listed above in the thread compare,
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#112
Harding raised tariffs, restricted immigration and cut taxes on the rich. A modern-day Donald Trump.
pampango
Aug 2015
#143
Thanks. I hope to listen to that tomorrow when my buzz doesn't include music.
Enthusiast
Aug 2015
#107
Did you make an errant left turn and wind up in DU instead of...............?
George II
Aug 2015
#22
Dubya lost Ohio in 2004. That is clear from exit polls. Bush lost, both times.
Enthusiast
Aug 2015
#37
Iran-Contra can't hold a candle to the debacle and its after-effects of the Illegal Iraq Invasion.
WinkyDink
Aug 2015
#53
Um, no. In one case (the former), it's plain lies. In the latter, it's plain fact. SEE?
WinkyDink
Aug 2015
#54
98.2% to 1.8% would be described by Republicans as "there's some disagreement"....
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2015
#6
The @#$% Yeah Our Children is Learning Historians of the Home Schools of God Bless America.
Scurrilous
Aug 2015
#45
Nixon may have gone down in history as one of the greatest if he wasn't such an egomaniac.
George II
Aug 2015
#25
Yup. If there is such a thing as karma, it should be sitting all over Jebbie.
SunSeeker
Aug 2015
#21
I think Dubya's dad was the most likely candidate for architect of Iran-Contra.
Enthusiast
Aug 2015
#35
What this really speaks volumes to is that there are a lot of stupid idiots voting in this fucked up
L0oniX
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#41
That poll doesn't deal with truth or facts. Its nothing but a questionable opinion poll.
Elwood P Dowd
Aug 2015
#65
I've been saying that Bush/Cheney are among the biggest war criminals of the past century.
bulloney
Aug 2015
#117
Hard to imagine it could be seen any other way. He failed at everything there is possible to fail at
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#79
Saying that the illegitimate George W. Bush was the worst President is overrating him,
Uncle Joe
Aug 2015
#80
I am seriously disappointed that this thread doesn't have hundreds of recommendations!
Enthusiast
Aug 2015
#103
Well DUHHH!! We knew that 6 months into his pResidency. *SOME* of us knew he was going to be
Ghost in the Machine
Aug 2015
#113
Sorry folks. I despite Bush as much as many here two presidents should have gotten that spot
PFunk1
Aug 2015
#120
FWIW, the most recent survey of scholars (yours is from 2008) in 2015 is GWB 35th, Buchanan last
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#124