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Rozlee

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125. Semantics.

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:02 PM

Aug 2015

They're trained to shoot center-mass, where the most vital organs are. That's neutralizing alright.

www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/police-shoot-kill-taser-force-experts-law

As the latter article states, police lobbyists have fought to keep legislation from being introduced that will introduce training for less than lethal force or minimum force. All police carry at least one other weapon besides a gun, i.e. stun gun, baton, etc.

To throw you a bone, an ex-police officer does play semantics with his training on neutralizing vs. killing. It's an interesting exercise as he understands there is no difference between the two.

www.policeone.com/use-of-force/articles/3468112-Shooting-center-mass-Shooting-to-kill-or-to-stop/

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Semper Fi !!! chieftain Aug 2015 #1

Didn't know that was the Air Force motto as well. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #84

Nope - read the BBC & France 24 accounts GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #85

Brave Devil Dogs. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #2

How terrifying. narnian60 Aug 2015 #3

"Hope that Marine makes it." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #4

So true Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #27

Good guys without guns foil bad guy with assault rifle and lots of malaise Aug 2015 #5

+If they were armed there would only be one person shot. former9thward Aug 2015 #6

Just like gun control kept the shooter from acquiring a rifle and nine 30-round magazines. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Aug 2015 #18

Like the foiled attack on Charlie Hebdo Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #30

Exactly. alarimer Aug 2015 #26

Women and minorities are the fastest growing segment of the gun owning population. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #28

I'm a woman and a feminist - and I hate seeing men mocked Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #47

+1 nt steve2470 Aug 2015 #80

No telling how many lives they saved. herding cats Aug 2015 #8

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #10

+1001 SCantiGOP Aug 2015 #24

They're no better than Westboro Baptist Church fanatics. snagglepuss Aug 2015 #42

You're not familiar with the OP, are you? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #75

this nt a la izquierda Aug 2015 #50

Our bravest and finest did a good job here Gothmog Aug 2015 #9

Air Force guy. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #92

How would they have recognized him? KamaAina Aug 2015 #11

I'm guessing a Kalashnikov and a shit ton of ammo in a bag are kind of distinctive. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #13

If he was walking down the street like that KamaAina Aug 2015 #17

Perhaps. Perhaps not. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #22

Marines I believe are commonly used for embassy security Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #52

embassy security leanforward Aug 2015 #58

Sorry, they weren't Marines. tabasco Aug 2015 #94

"A shit ton". That always gets me laughing! Thats a LOT! 7962 Aug 2015 #19

Brussels to Paris? Stryder Aug 2015 #36

There's two types of country in the world. Those who use the metric system and Glassunion Aug 2015 #38

Another good one! nt 7962 Aug 2015 #63

article says they heard the distinct sound of loading the gun from inside the restroom HFRN Aug 2015 #29

They weren't passengers....they saw the guy in the station and followed him onto the train. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #57

That was after they were on the train. KamaAina Aug 2015 #65

They probably saw something that set off danger signals, GGJohn Aug 2015 #67

They've been trained at recognizing suspicious people. 7962 Aug 2015 #21

Post #12 suggests Islamophobia Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #31

Whoever post 12 is must have me on ignore yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #34

You and about 45 others according to his boasts. Frankly, I'm surprised he saw the OP. I was Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #53

... pinboy3niner Aug 2015 #56

laughing so hard right now...... 7962 Aug 2015 #64

Lol. Well their loss. Have a great weekend! yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #68

Same here davidpdx Aug 2015 #118

Marines are being taught "combat profiling" enabling them pocoloco Aug 2015 #33

They were not Marines. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #100

They profiled him. Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #40

They weren't Marines. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #93

The early reports were not sure it was a terrorist until his skin color and his religion were known. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #12

Pat yourself on the back. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #14

You're such a putz Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #15

Just never stops does it? 7962 Aug 2015 #20

I ask, Have you no shame sir? GGJohn Aug 2015 #35

I may be wrong... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #44

You may be right, but given Fred's track record, GGJohn Aug 2015 #48

That's the way I read it. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #61

Its also often called "white supremacist" or "anti government" 7962 Aug 2015 #66

He was already known to the authorities, and I think the attack was the convincing item. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #49

You never quit, do you? Codeine Aug 2015 #117

Wow... does this post make you look like an ASS, or what? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #121

I have every confidence President Obama will ... lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #16

President Obama won't have to worry about it philosslayer Aug 2015 #59

Our police could take lessons from these Marines. Rozlee Aug 2015 #23

A U.S. cop would have shot the guy with the Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #39

I would love to believe that but... Rozlee Aug 2015 #46

Do you know how hard it is to hit an arm or leg from a distance shot? 7962 Aug 2015 #69

A Bruce Willis movie? Are you serious? Rozlee Aug 2015 #102

Unarmed? Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #114

Huh? Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #70

Damn serious. Haven't you been reading about Ferguson? Rozlee Aug 2015 #103

What the fuck are you talking about? Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #115

False. GGJohn Aug 2015 #71

What threat did Michael Brown, Tamir Rice and Walter Scott pose? Rozlee Aug 2015 #105

What's that got to do with my post? GGJohn Aug 2015 #112

And again, what kind of threat needed to be neutralized in a suspect that was running away? Rozlee Aug 2015 #113

What the fuck all does any if that have to do with the OP? Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #116

*sigh* Rozlee Aug 2015 #122

What part of my post are you not understanding? GGJohn Aug 2015 #120

And I said many in the US kill even after the threat is neutralized and even when Rozlee Aug 2015 #123

That has zero to do with the training they receive in the academy, GGJohn Aug 2015 #124

Semantics. Rozlee Aug 2015 #125

Extreme bravery sarisataka Aug 2015 #25

K&R... spanone Aug 2015 #32

Oo-rah! roscoeroscoe Aug 2015 #37

Way to go, USAF andf National Guard! LiberalEsto Aug 2015 #41

No Marines were involved GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #96

bravo. this should LBN. A massacre was prevented thanks to the Marines still_one Aug 2015 #43

USA! USA! USA! ericson00 Aug 2015 #45

Do I detect sarcasm, Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #72

dead serious. Nothing wrong with chanting our country's great name ericson00 Aug 2015 #81

I love this story, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #51

My understanding is that they were already on the train Gigabear Aug 2015 #54

That would make more sense! Thanks. NT Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #60

My understanding is that they saw the perp somewhere Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #73

Unarmed marines leanforward Aug 2015 #55

I take that train all the time DFW Aug 2015 #62

What would cause 3 presumably strange to this area to start following a stranger, and jtuck004 Aug 2015 #101

That is a very crowded train DFW Aug 2015 #109

Semper Fucking A! nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #74

Is that the new Air Force motto? GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #95

Read the original post without edits. You'll see they were originally identified as Marines Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #97

Been posting this for the last six hours. GoneOffShore Aug 2015 #98

Wow. (edited to add: Not Marines, one Air Force one Oregon National Guard) Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #76

Not sure where the 'toilet' story came from - he shot, and then the 2 decided to rush him muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #77

The Thalys trains are very narrow and very crowded DFW Aug 2015 #89

See #79 - it now seems it was another who struggled with him first muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #90

KGW looks to now have some video he shot in the train... cascadiance Aug 2015 #106

it is now being reported by the french media drray23 Aug 2015 #79

Very brave, fast thinking and acting! Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #82

K&R Glassunion Aug 2015 #83

They were not Marines. cwydro Aug 2015 #86

In the news report linked, they were Marines. Glassunion Aug 2015 #87

And often OPs edit as new info becomes available. cwydro Aug 2015 #88

I have added an update Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #91

I was in the Air Force long ago. cwydro Aug 2015 #99

And it's good to see sarisataka Aug 2015 #107

Hell to the yeah. nt cwydro Aug 2015 #108

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I hope they made his takedown very, very painful (like loss of his tackle) NT 1939 Aug 2015 #110

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As an American and Oregonian I am proud of these guys davidpdx Aug 2015 #119