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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:16 PM May 2012

On "police state" and "fascism" [View all]


If one finds the terms "police state" and "fascism" to be overly hyperbolic or historically inaccurate, does that mean that they really do understand things better than many here? Or could it be it that their viewpoint is clouded; they're not paying attention; that perhaps the idea things have become much worse may have made them squeamish?

My opinion: if you're able to view threads such as this and believe that there's nothing overly wrong here in the good ol' USA, you've failed. That citizens are not being taken away in the night to be shot or buried alive isn't the dividing line between a civil nation and a police state. Yes, things have been worse in other places and times, but this is not a binary equation - it's a matter of degree. When the weight of evidence shows that out of control authoritarianism has become the new normal and that peaceful protest can easily get your head bloodied (with a smile!), we have crossed a very real line, and inertia tends to indicate the trend will not reverse itself anytime soon.

Screw the "police state" and fascism terminology if you feel they're just rhetorical over-reach. If they cause you offense, fine. But try not to use that as an excuse to ignore or downplay the very real threats to lawful, civil society that have been on public display all too often in our recent history.


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I have not experienced a police state or fascism personally. randome May 2012 #1
I have seen police excesses, which are systemic enough that I'd use the term "police state". backscatter712 May 2012 #11
I have read three books about the Nazi occupation of France and one about how it all sabrina 1 May 2012 #15
It only took 2 years for Hitler to build his Nazi state. Major Hogwash May 2012 #20
I don't believe I said the US was a police state. sabrina 1 May 2012 #22
The road to fascism is taken in small steps. The last step is to feel the heavy heel of the Lint Head May 2012 #2
I agree it is overly hyperbolic and historically inaccurate SoutherDem May 2012 #3
Just because they don't let you know they're reading your email, doesn't mean you're not being leveymg May 2012 #5
It's not a Police State - it's a Polite State kenny blankenship May 2012 #10
"Friendly Fascism" - that's a great book by Bertham Gross from the Reagan era. Hit it spot-on. leveymg May 2012 #17
Case in point here IDemo May 2012 #6
+100 Thank you 99th_Monkey May 2012 #16
OK, just the facts then davekriss May 2012 #7
Loss of habeas corpus, the Executive branch claiming it has a right to assassinate..... DeSwiss May 2012 #14
this a 'uniquely american' form of police state. and it's got to do with more than KG May 2012 #4
it's not a police state unless you just insist on exercising your rights kenny blankenship May 2012 #8
This is a polite way to remind those who rather not have their weddings and such interrupted by those midnight May 2012 #9
K&R DeSwiss May 2012 #12
Why are you quoting a Commie coalition_unwilling May 2012 #18
That's my kinda Commie!!! DeSwiss May 2012 #23
Also "police states" look very different in their infancy, youth and mature forms. wickerwoman May 2012 #13
Emphatic K&R! A magisterial OP - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #19
But trying to downplay reality is their only option. We've just fallen too far Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #21
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