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54. What's to prove?

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:54 PM

Aug 2015

The person who can't have a firearm gets it from you, by gift or sale. He goes out and knocks over a liquor store, killing the clerk in the process and is charged with felony murder. You knew or should have known that the person you gave or sold the gun to wasn't supposed to have (convicted felon or whatever). Wouldn't the possibility of being charged along with the perpetrator for his felony murder be incentive enough for you to do a background check even without a law requiring you to do so?

Or are you saying that gun owners need a lot more regulation than they're currently under so that society can be safer from irresponsible gun sales? Which was the original point I was making.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Agschmid Aug 2015 OP

So what you are saying... Indydem Aug 2015 #1

See message below. n/t sharp_stick Aug 2015 #3

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The reason the laws are not enforced goes back to the NRA. MohRokTah Aug 2015 #9

Existing laws are insufficient, and not universal Martin Eden Aug 2015 #21

One effective method sharp_stick Aug 2015 #2

But but it is their Second Wellstone ruled Aug 2015 #5

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Private sales that do not cross state lines are not covered by the Brady Act hack89 Aug 2015 #11

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Varies. High in VT and ME hack89 Aug 2015 #17

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Here you go. Hope this helps. PotatoChip Aug 2015 #19

Pretty closely tracks nichomachus Aug 2015 #20

Yes, Florida does have a lower rate than Vermont. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #27

Whatever that means nichomachus Aug 2015 #41

Texas, too. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #45

Still not making any sense nichomachus Aug 2015 #46

Interesting map. How does it square with this one? beevul Aug 2015 #43

You might want to ask your question of the poster I got the link from. ^(A couple of posts up)^ PotatoChip Aug 2015 #44

What do you think of the 80-megaton air burst over Chicago? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #47

Not interested. But thanks for the invite. (nt) PotatoChip Aug 2015 #48

Not just that, but the lack of substantial gun violence in the upper center... beevul Aug 2015 #51

Bingo,did not mention that. Wellstone ruled Aug 2015 #16

Quadruple the ATF's budget and crack down on illegal gun sales. nt hack89 Aug 2015 #7

Makes sense sharp_stick Aug 2015 #8

Because any Congressperson who votes in favor of doing so gets a failing grade from the NRA MohRokTah Aug 2015 #10

Absolutely sharp_stick Aug 2015 #13

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Straw purchasers need to be severely punished. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #12

Perhaps a new law or two? gratuitous Aug 2015 #22

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What's to prove? gratuitous Aug 2015 #54

That you were the source of the gun. jeff47 Aug 2015 #57

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You can't make that assumption. jeff47 Aug 2015 #63

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That could work. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #24

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So, what is the significance of "designed to kill?" Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #49

There are lots of things that melm00se Aug 2015 #37

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defense spending melm00se Aug 2015 #39

"prohibitive, but that's the point." Another poll tax argument... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #52

Tens of millions of trigger/action locks have been distributed free Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #29

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BATFE has been a hot mess for decades, and throwing more money at it will not fix branford Aug 2015 #34

I agree with your arguments, the BATFE probably ought to be folded... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #55

I dealt with straw purchasers as a deputy. Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #32

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Complain to the Obama Justice Department. branford Aug 2015 #35

No, it is their funded politicians who control the purse strings jberryhill Aug 2015 #53

Bull. The BATFE does not determine who is prosecuted for potential crimes. branford Aug 2015 #60

Can you remind me who is the BATF director? jberryhill Aug 2015 #61

The Acting ATF Director is Thomas E. Brandon, he was chosen by President Obama, branford Aug 2015 #62

Acting director - jberryhill Aug 2015 #64

He has all the powers of the permanent director, GGJohn Aug 2015 #65

I agree- the DOJ doesn't. It's politics Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #42

Reminds me of a public transit consultant who explained why Billions are Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #56

Multiply BATF and state/local agency enforcement dollars by 10 alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #36

It depends where you live. hunter Aug 2015 #50