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In reply to the discussion: Looking at the undisputed facts in the Zimmerman case and applying Zimmerman's original story [View all]Spoonman
(1,761 posts)101. I'm sticking with the facts
You're going beyond the undisputed facts and into areas of some dispute
Please explain what is "in dispute".
glaring deficiencies in Zimmerman's story based solely on undisputed facts
Your 6 "undisputed" facts are way too simplistic and narrow to formulate an accurate picture of what happened.
You left out the most important indisputable facts relevant to the case.
1. The eyewitness statement that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman kicking his ass. (this is the only statement that has credibility, and has not wavered) and is supported by A, B, C and D below.
A. The physical injuries suffered by Zimmerman that are well documented by medical reports.
B. The physical evidence of grass staining on Zimmerman's clothing
C. Abrasions on Trayvon's hands
D. Forensic wound analysis of the gunshot wound
2. The recorded phone call with the non-emergency dispatcher where Zimmerman states "Oh crap, I don't want to give it all out. I don't know where this kid is". (He had lost sight of him)
3. Time log of ALL calls relevant to the situation including the call between Trayvon and his girl friend.
4. The ample time for Trayvon to get to his house to avoid this, but didn't.
Zimmerman's original story was that he was ambushed, out of the blue, by Trayvon.
I can't answer that question, and your assertion is somewhat embellished.
Zimmerman never claimed to have been ambushed "out of the blue", his statement to investigators was that he was returning to his vehicle, when Martin approached him from his left rear and confronted him.
His story has been slowly but surely corroborated by the physical evidence, and eye witness testimony.
Of course, as with everything else in this case, the embellished versions have become the "facts" for most.
Why would someone chose to hide out and ambush a potentially dangerous individual instead of logically seeking to seek safety?
Instead of trying to infer that it didn't happened that way simply because YOU don't find it to be a logical decision, realize he had more than enough time to get to his house as demonstrated by the time line of the phone records.
So why would Trayvon then turn the tables and immediately turn into the aggressor? It doesn't make any sense.
Testosterone?
Trayvon did not seek safety by going home, he did not continue to avoid Zimmerman by walking away from him.
Given ALL the facts at hand, it is apparent the Trayvon decided for whatever reason to confront Zimmerman and become the aggressor.
You and I have no clue why he did what he did. We can only look at the facts and accept them for what they are.
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Looking at the undisputed facts in the Zimmerman case and applying Zimmerman's original story [View all]
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
OP
So what is Martin's motive in chosing to ambush Zimmerman instead of retreating to safety?
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#49
Well, at least you realize in a very backwards way the racial component of this case.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#72
Zimmerman is the one with history of violent assaults against other people, Trayvon's offenses
JI7
May 2012
#89
Yeah, it makes so much more sense that a kid with Skittles and tea went looking for a fight.
EOTE
May 2012
#94
Each time there is a new Trayvon thread, a member of MIRT should be assigned to babysit it.
stevenleser
May 2012
#63
Re: #3, I don't see any mention in the transcript that resembles telling Z not to exit his vehicle
slackmaster
May 2012
#3
No, there are other ways to be in that location. Perhaps he hid and waited to see what
uppityperson
May 2012
#28
Zimmy doesn't have to defend from every crackpot theory? Hahahaha. thank you MIRT. eom
uppityperson
May 2012
#33
Your are incorrect regarding the Police Dispatch ...it was not a " suggestion"
FarPoint
May 2012
#26
It wasn't a lawful order. Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to follow the advice.
slackmaster
May 2012
#30
Prove to me that we all can disregard the direction of an officer as desired ...
FarPoint
May 2012
#104
Officers can give ORDERS to people only under very limited circumstances, such as emergencies,
slackmaster
May 2012
#110
Your reply is presumptuous nonsense. You imply that Zimmerman broke a LAW by not following advice,
slackmaster
May 2012
#112
There's a difference between feeling pugnacious and being downright idiotic.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#19
Suspended for pot vs a person with a long history of violence, are you fucking kidding me?
Quixote1818
May 2012
#34
How was Trayvon bigger than Zimmerman? You keep saying that, what do you base that on?
uppityperson
May 2012
#21
How would Zimmerman lose sight of him? And Martin was not bigger than Zimmerman.
Quixote1818
May 2012
#23
I would have to go beyond the undisputed facts for speculation as to the timeline.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#53
You're going beyond the undisputed facts and into areas of some dispute.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#51
All the physical evidence merely does is establish that a struggle took place.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#102
But would you agree that Trayvon deciding to ambush Zimmerman out of the blue doesn't seem logical?
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#115
I think you are glossing over the fact that Trayvon was doing nothing wrong that evening.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#129
I don't know what happened, but a high school kid wanting to beat the crap out of some creep
Vattel
May 2012
#113
The defied logic comes in because of other circumstances you omitt in his situation.
vaberella
May 2012
#132