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81. And you still don't get it...

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 07:08 PM

Aug 2015

Hedges is an anti-capitalist. Sanders is not. It is that simple. Hence... the luke-warm support of Sanders among leftists and anti-capitalists. That doesn't mean that many of the things Sanders is talking about are not some of the things that would be part of any leftist platform. It also means that Sanders is far from above critique on other things.

The overriding responsibility of anti-capitalists (Leftists) is to unyielding critique the mechanisms of capitalism and everything that goes with it (economic, political, and social) including elections in a capitalist power structure. Regardless of who is nominated and elected in the 2016 election... the capitalist power structure will remain the same and the responsibility of leftists will remain the same. Leftists are not going to be silenced Fred. The "red-scare" is over nobody is gonna steal your goat.

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Chris Hedges: The Great Unraveling [View all] marmar Aug 2015 OP

Hedges - Always On Target cantbeserious Aug 2015 #1

+1 Scuba Aug 2015 #95

So many willfully ignorant humans, chervilant Aug 2015 #2

+1000 nt abelenkpe Aug 2015 #7

Sadly, he may be correct. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #3

Me too! ananda Aug 2015 #11

"The very word �drought� is part of the deception, implying this is somehow reversible. It isn�t." < jtuck004 Aug 2015 #4

Perhaps a preamble to another "French" revolution. Augiedog Aug 2015 #5

I have thought that this may be the last time to use our pitchforks at the voting booth. libdem4life Aug 2015 #44

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." hifiguy Aug 2015 #61

Spot on hifiguy! punguin54 Aug 2015 #69

Never heard that one, but Amen to the wise JFK. That's why they took him from us. libdem4life Sep 2015 #109

K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #6

A strong tonic Fairgo Aug 2015 #8

And that about sums it up... IthinkThereforeIAM Aug 2015 #13

That's a lyrical way of saying we're fucked. pscot Aug 2015 #77

I was in a mood Fairgo Sep 2015 #103

Hedges just has to throw in a smear against Obama and Clinton using the same Trump broad stroke Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #9

I definitely agree with you. olegramps Aug 2015 #15

I'll give you a mulligan and assume you know nothing about Chris Hedges. marmar Aug 2015 #17

I read the article as far as the part I quoted, isn't that enough to know for the purposes of this thread? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #18

Head Blecht Aug 2015 #35

Try reading some of his many books. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #56

I watch him nearly nightly and have had great respect for him. olegramps Aug 2015 #21

Are you confusing Chris Hedges with Chris Hayes? nt HomerRamone Aug 2015 #28

Thanks for the correction. olegramps Aug 2015 #30

He's basically saying that the entire system is corrupt and beyond redemption. PotatoChip Aug 2015 #29

I completely agree with your post. I believe what Hedges says is right on the money. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #33

Yes, I feel that we have absolutely nothing to lose at this point. PotatoChip Aug 2015 #36

We are in a do or die situation. Moving to a third party is sucide. The Democratic Party rhett o rick Aug 2015 #37

Yes, indeed! (nt) PotatoChip Aug 2015 #38

Yep. hifiguy Aug 2015 #65

I agree. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #57

I think Hedges likes Bernie Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #62

Hedges doesn't believe we can win playing the Oligarchs game. Obama and Clinton play rhett o rick Aug 2015 #68

I think this OP is a bit of an extremist alarmist rant passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #97

I agree. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #34

You have reading comprehension difficulties... haikugal Aug 2015 #23

It's not a direct attack. The word IF - a big word - makes it conditional at best. hifiguy Aug 2015 #78

It is because of profound cynicism that many of us have. zeemike Aug 2015 #19

"I'll take Nanette Fabre... Blus4u Aug 2015 #20

Agree! mountain grammy Aug 2015 #24

Phil Gramm? Penny Pritzker? Octafish Aug 2015 #32

Does the truth scare you? Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #76

Hedges is after bigger game than Hillary pscot Aug 2015 #79

All that money looking for a new fix. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #10

This is why I'm for Sanders, and why I'm tilting at this windmill one more time. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #12

It reminds me of William Butler Yeats: tclambert Aug 2015 #14

One last time it remains to be seen does the truth work? gordianot Aug 2015 #16

. haikugal Aug 2015 #22

Good journaling of the crisis, almost nothing on what to do about it dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #25

Great post. I think there are a lot more like Sanders that are waiting to see if there really is rhett o rick Aug 2015 #40

I think the voters have spoken on this one dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #26

Things are falling apart. jalan48 Aug 2015 #27

An excellent description of the shitstorm that has arrived. blackspade Aug 2015 #31

Everyone should read this, and the comments following it Doctor_J Aug 2015 #39

Fuck Chris Hedges muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #41

Chris Hedges described how Hannah Arendt pegged our situation today. Octafish Aug 2015 #42

The OP is an anti-Democratic party article that has no place on a Democratic board muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #43

Justice doesn't take a back seat to my Party. Octafish Aug 2015 #46

Yup. Kinda sad. marmar Aug 2015 #47

SO what you are saying Octa, is that some here talk about people and not issues? Rex Aug 2015 #50

Hedges' party is not the Democratic party muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #53

Hedges believes in democracy, which is the most important thing to believe in... Octafish Aug 2015 #55

He's not that keen on small-d democracy either muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #59

Did you read it? dougolat Sep 2015 #99

Hedges' point is not Sanders' point; Hedges has condemned Sanders muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #101

More like a condemnation for an expressed promise to... dougolat Sep 2015 #104

ill-advised decision to validate the Democratic Party by becoming one of its presidential candidates muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #105

ALL of this. hifiguy Aug 2015 #70

Simple solution...don't read it... AOR Aug 2015 #48

And he's a known plagiarist, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #49

Do you believe that the Democratic Party is perfect as it is? bvar22 Aug 2015 #51

He's only interested in attacking the Democratic party muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #52

If Hillary is coronated as the nominee, bvar22 Aug 2015 #54

I thought 'PUMA' was a crap idea in 2008, and it would be crap in 2016 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #58

I am not talking about Democrat v Republican, bvar22 Aug 2015 #64

And that is now the ONLY battleground that matters. hifiguy Aug 2015 #71

^^^this^^^ is the real war "Citizens v Oligarchy" L0oniX Aug 2015 #82

He hates the kitteh. L0oniX Aug 2015 #83

As a Bernie Sanders Group host, are you happy with Hedges' remarks about Sanders? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #84

"If" he has a legit criticism of Bernie I have no problem with it being discussed. L0oniX Aug 2015 #85

No, I don't hang out there; but I'm surprised at a Bernie Sanders supporter muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #88

Is there any proof that "Bernie is just a sheepdog to herd the gullible progressives"??? L0oniX Aug 2015 #89

Hedges called Sanders a sheepdog; see #72 (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #100

He represents the "Underground" faction of the Democratic party. I believe he does belong here. corkhead Aug 2015 #93

Hedges is not in any faction of the Democrats. He wants the party gone muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #102

2008 was a gasp, the next one will be the death stroke. Rex Aug 2015 #45

No...much of the worlds problems are due to global capitalism on the march... AOR Aug 2015 #67

So....you would go with Marx and Engels plan? Already tried that. Doesn't work either. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #74

The work of Marx and Engels are a guide and a foundation for the working class... AOR Aug 2015 #80

Had that pegged......! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #86

Used to be the uber-rich were content with just all the physical toys and the simple pleasures of money. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #73

I hope people take the time to read the whole thing Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #60

"He functions as a sheepdog to corral progressives, left-leaning progressives" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #72

Funny how often the folks beseeching others to "read the article" have obviously not done so themselves. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #75

And you still don't get it... AOR Aug 2015 #81

On the contrary, I welcome folks educated in Marxist lore and revolutionary zeal, it is the ID of Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #87

Marx and Engels have been dead a lot less than 200 years hifiguy Aug 2015 #90

Apologies to AOR poster for my dates of death....you make a valid point of surplus from labor. Capitalism Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #91

"Economically, overall things are not that bad" REALLY? RiverLover Sep 2015 #107

Gloom and doom is not for me! I remember 2008, for example. Remember that? I recall no time of economic perfection, but Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #108

People will get there on there own as material conditions dictate or they won't Fred... AOR Aug 2015 #92

I understand what you are saying, but a revolution, fascist or socialist needs one thing above all Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #94

Well I disagree that the economy is not broken... AOR Aug 2015 #96

Chris is correct, we must stop the neoliberalist march. Neoliberal = Nazi. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #66

I really wonder if we are witnessing the fall of the American Republic. Kablooie Sep 2015 #98

Globally income equality is better than it has ever been. In the US it is almost as bad as pre-FDR pampango Sep 2015 #106