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Spoonman

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109. Very good points

Mon May 21, 2012, 06:17 PM

May 2012

I'm am still in the undecided camp.
I am really trying to analyze every aspect of the case, and keep an open mind.

I will say though that the evidence is certainly beginning to align with Z's version of the story.

As this happens I see more and more "conspiracy theory mentality".

Such as the "Trayvon logically would not have done this or that".

Zimmerman is a lard ass, and NO WAY NO HOW could have outrun a 17 year old football player. (That's logical).

If Trayvon took off running, as Z stated, he had ample time to get home WAY before fat boy could have caught up to him.

It is not that difficult to imagine a 17 year old coping an an attitude and bowing up to "some asshole", I did it at 17 and thank heavens only got my ass kicked.

Z was definitely in the wrong, and suffered from wannabe a cop issues. He did not break any laws by following Trayvon, and I feel incited to confrontation.

My gut feeling is that Z confronted Trayvon in a rather unfriendly manner, Trayvon got pissed off and began smacking the piss out of him. Shit went south from there.

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Looking at the undisputed facts in the Zimmerman case and applying Zimmerman's original story [View all] Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 OP

#3 is not quite correct. Common Sense Party May 2012 #1

Thanks. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #2

Oh, no, not in the least. Common Sense Party May 2012 #4

Option B BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #45

So what is Martin's motive in chosing to ambush Zimmerman instead of retreating to safety? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #49

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #50

Wow. Okay. Wow. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #52

Yeah, Wow BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #64

"These assholes always get away." Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #67

Numerous Break-ins BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #69

Most rapists are men. Does that give anyone the right to profile all men? Daalalou May 2012 #71

Well, at least you realize in a very backwards way the racial component of this case. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #72

Martin Was Clearly the Aggressor Ultimately BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #76

What profile other than black and male? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #80

Well... BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #83

Really....I mean, Really.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #85

Well... BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #86

Again, we are going off of Zimmerman's ORIGINAL STORY. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #90

Zimmerman is the one with history of violent assaults against other people, Trayvon's offenses JI7 May 2012 #89

Do you even know what profiling is? EOTE May 2012 #95

let's break it down like this.. frylock May 2012 #96

I have to give a big thumbs up to this. EOTE May 2012 #99

i'm sick of these trolls signing up here to spread their racisct crap.. frylock May 2012 #107

We have every reason to believe that Zimmerman provoked Martin MattBaggins May 2012 #100

Zimmerman didn't know any of that treestar May 2012 #117

Based on your insulting, moronic comments to the OP CatWoman May 2012 #84

Well... BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #88

Brawndo's got what plants crave. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #91

so the answer to preventing crime CatWoman May 2012 #73

No One Suggested Killing All Young Black Men BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #77

Yeah, it makes so much more sense that a kid with Skittles and tea went looking for a fight. EOTE May 2012 #94

Why not shoot him in the arm or shoulder then? treestar May 2012 #116

Or simply show his gun? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #118

Or just told him he had a gun treestar May 2012 #121

except for a few points magical thyme May 2012 #124

You forgot one huge important piece of evidence. sabrina 1 May 2012 #130

You won't get a response. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #131

my head just completely and earth shatteringly CatWoman May 2012 #60

Thank you, I thought for a minute I was the only one appalled. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #61

next he'll tell us Trayvon will appear as a hologram CatWoman May 2012 #62

No, I noticed it too NoGOPZone May 2012 #65

Each time there is a new Trayvon thread, a member of MIRT should be assigned to babysit it. stevenleser May 2012 #63

Mine did too Generic Other May 2012 #70

LOL!! CatWoman May 2012 #74

Unlike Zimmerman's light gray T-shirt, which Fawke Em May 2012 #93

Re: #3, I don't see any mention in the transcript that resembles telling Z not to exit his vehicle slackmaster May 2012 #3

I went ahead and edited as to that one issue. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #6

It doesn't matter RiseFromBelow May 2012 #12

Who threw the first punch may be in dispute.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #16

From a post downthread, it seems he does believe that. uppityperson May 2012 #22

Who said there was a long verbal argument? RiseFromBelow May 2012 #25

No, there are other ways to be in that location. Perhaps he hid and waited to see what uppityperson May 2012 #28

No evidence RiseFromBelow May 2012 #32

Zimmy doesn't have to defend from every crackpot theory? Hahahaha. thank you MIRT. eom uppityperson May 2012 #33

No other injuries... including on his knuckles Daalalou May 2012 #55

Not from you, but some have speculated.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #31

Why wasn't Zimmerman back at his truck? Daalalou May 2012 #54

Your are incorrect regarding the Police Dispatch ...it was not a " suggestion" FarPoint May 2012 #26

It wasn't a lawful order. Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to follow the advice. slackmaster May 2012 #30

Yes it was a command. FarPoint May 2012 #36

Please cite an applicable Florida statute to back up your claim slackmaster May 2012 #39

Prove to me that we all can disregard the direction of an officer as desired ... FarPoint May 2012 #104

Officers can give ORDERS to people only under very limited circumstances, such as emergencies, slackmaster May 2012 #110

Well...if you practice what you preach and advocate... FarPoint May 2012 #111

Your reply is presumptuous nonsense. You imply that Zimmerman broke a LAW by not following advice, slackmaster May 2012 #112

oh good. new meat. frylock May 2012 #97

Physical altercation varstal110 Dec 2012 #135

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #5

He was 17 years old. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #9

Oh, I agree with the running RiseFromBelow May 2012 #17

There's a difference between feeling pugnacious and being downright idiotic. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #19

Only crime RiseFromBelow May 2012 #27

Suspended for pot vs a person with a long history of violence, are you fucking kidding me? Quixote1818 May 2012 #34

You'll have to prove that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman first. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #35

Would you care to bring up Zimmermans violent past MattBaggins May 2012 #98

Troll alert! Troll alert! Somebody help! broiles May 2012 #13

I want him/her JustAnotherGen May 2012 #20

i guess calling people 'troll' ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #43

Can you please edit that? Iggo May 2012 #44

Excellent fielding of foul trolls. FarPoint May 2012 #108

He was on his way to leftynyc May 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #15

Why would a Private Citizen JustAnotherGen May 2012 #18

How was Trayvon bigger than Zimmerman? You keep saying that, what do you base that on? uppityperson May 2012 #21

How would Zimmerman lose sight of him? And Martin was not bigger than Zimmerman. Quixote1818 May 2012 #23

Zimmerman neglected to inform the Officer- Dispatcher FarPoint May 2012 #29

And another racist troll bites the dust. Rex May 2012 #38

Here they come Kingofalldems May 2012 #7

I love watching trolls get shitcanned. Rex May 2012 #40

I actually wanted him to answer my question though. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #41

I don't think he would be able to answer that question Rex May 2012 #56

I think Zimmerman didn't know that shimonitanegi May 2012 #8

I don't think much matters before they fought Life Long Dem May 2012 #10

It's more of a matter of his original story not making any sense. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #11

Good question goclark May 2012 #24

Actually it does in a huge way. Rex May 2012 #37

are you sure about the 300 feet? hfojvt May 2012 #42

I would have to go beyond the undisputed facts for speculation as to the timeline. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #53

but the two minutes is an undisputed fact hfojvt May 2012 #66

Home is a place where the only person present... Daalalou May 2012 #68

Your point supports Trayvon Daalalou May 2012 #58

the two minutes is enough time to get home hfojvt May 2012 #79

I agree; I think he continued to look for Trayvon Daalalou May 2012 #82

you know, George.....the kind of troll that was sent to this thread... grasswire May 2012 #46

The FBI is going to flambe him. Rex May 2012 #48

Option B defies all logic and human nature? Spoonman May 2012 #47

You're going beyond the undisputed facts and into areas of some dispute. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #51

Really? joeglow3 May 2012 #87

Different context though. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #92

I'm sticking with the facts Spoonman May 2012 #101

All the physical evidence merely does is establish that a struggle took place. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #102

You obviously missed your calling........ Spoonman May 2012 #103

And millions of others have convicted Trayvon Daalalou May 2012 #105

Very good points Spoonman May 2012 #109

You're wrong about the facts Daalalou May 2012 #114

Assumptions Again....... Spoonman May 2012 #119

My response Daalalou May 2012 #125

But would you agree that Trayvon deciding to ambush Zimmerman out of the blue doesn't seem logical? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #115

You are still trying to place YOUR logic into the mind of a 17 year old Spoonman May 2012 #122

What Zimmerman story are you going off of? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #123

His original story...... Spoonman May 2012 #126

I think you are glossing over the fact that Trayvon was doing nothing wrong that evening. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #129

I cannot read minds, that much is true. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #106

Trayvon wasn't that big, and Zimmerman was no longer fat Daalalou May 2012 #59

The ambush story has always bothered me the most... Sancho May 2012 #57

Powerful. H2O Man May 2012 #75

Psst... his dad wasn't home. Fawke Em May 2012 #78

Noted. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #81

I don't know what happened, but a high school kid wanting to beat the crap out of some creep Vattel May 2012 #113

Zimmerman doesn't just allege a verbal confrontation, though. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #120

You overestimate the maturity and prudence of teenagers. Vattel May 2012 #127

To the contrary, I think you underestimate them. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #128

The defied logic comes in because of other circumstances you omitt in his situation. vaberella May 2012 #132

Good point as to No. 4 .... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #133

You guys are guessing, and that's fine. Vattel May 2012 #134