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BarstowCowboy

(171 posts) Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:15 PM Sep 2015

De facto punishment of transgender individuals in the penal system. [View all]

Currently strict gender segregation is enforced in prisons, jails, detention centers and other locations where people are kept against their will. Usually when a transgender person is held at one of these facilities they are placed in solitary confinement, which is a de facto form of punishment for being transgender. Do you agree with me that these people should be allowed to be housed with those with whom they identify?

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De facto punishment of transgender individuals in the penal system. [View all] BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 OP

No Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #1

I respect that your opinion comes from experience BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #6

It's not about who wins or loses the fight... TipTok Sep 2015 #10

I know but BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #12

"idea that ftm trans gender persons can't necessarily defend themselves against cisgender men" Monk06 Sep 2015 #13

I don't know if I already mentioned this or not... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #17

Segregation isn't solitary confinement. You are under protective custody along with other targeted Monk06 Sep 2015 #20

I just think they should be afforded the choice. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #26

They are in prison, they no longer have a choice Marrah_G Sep 2015 #30

I don't think you've thought your answer all the way through BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #35

I absolutely have thought it out. Marrah_G Sep 2015 #37

I respect that you have skin in this game BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #49

So a convicted rapist could say 1939 Sep 2015 #70

Apparently that's the way it's going to be in San Francisco soon BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #71

Again you are confusing segregation with solitary confinement. Not the same thing Monk06 Sep 2015 #34

I'm talking about being confined to a single person cell... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #36

Segregation is protective custody Marrah_G Sep 2015 #40

Semantics BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #50

I'm sure that a trans person could fend off Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #14

Once again, I respect that you have experience BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #18

I have concerns about that. Chemisse Sep 2015 #2

Not necessarily BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #7

Its not sexist at all Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #15

True, but... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #19

You are thinking it would be one on one and some sort of fair fight Marrah_G Sep 2015 #31

Once again... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #38

My son in law say you are way off base Marrah_G Sep 2015 #41

Thank you Aerows Sep 2015 #45

Please go back and read the OP BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #51

It depends on three things, imo. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #3

That's how it is Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #4

Not always BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #9

I'm not advocating that anyone should be forced BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #8

I disagree BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #52

I'm willing to bet transgender men would disagree with you. Alenne Sep 2015 #5

No one should be forced BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #11

Prison isn't about options. Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #25

Prison might not be about choices... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #27

It is not a punitive housing status. It is a protective one. Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #32

I thought that BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #39

No, not everyone Marrah_G Sep 2015 #42

No. That decision is made based on what it best for the overall Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #57

Are you involved in the corrections field? I'm just curious, n/t. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #53

I was a deputy for almost a decade, and when they were Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #56

I've never been in a prison, but my understanding is protective custody is not MillennialDem Sep 2015 #69

It's a difficult situation Aerows Sep 2015 #16

I must've really blown the OP BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #21

No, I think you've missed the premise of the unstated overarching objection... Chan790 Sep 2015 #22

This is *exactly* the take-away Aerows Sep 2015 #44

I know prejudice exists... Chan790 Sep 2015 #47

I think that people have the fundamental right Aerows Sep 2015 #48

I'm not sure how this thing got so far off track BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #54

You don't need to be more clear that that...I'm going to try this again. Chan790 Sep 2015 #60

Okay then... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #63

Fair enough Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #23

As mentioned, the chances for sexual or other assault are much higher in that situation Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #24

A possible third choice? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #29

That would be the Segregation Unit Marrah_G Sep 2015 #43

Terminology BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #55

Money, resources, demand Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #58

No, safety considerations have to win out. Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #28

What's all this talk about safety? davidn3600 Sep 2015 #33

As ludicrous as the penal system is Aerows Sep 2015 #46

4.4% of males report sexual assault in prison, while 59% of trans female inmates in the same facilities do Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #59

Allowed but not otherwise pressured? Might work I guess One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #61

So solitary confinement then? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #64

kobayashi maru One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #65

Good OP. Info from Transgender Law Center about transgender folks and the justice system: Zorra Sep 2015 #62

Thanks BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #66

Places with large trans populations like SF and LA could have special trans units KamaAina Sep 2015 #67

Turns out SF has such a unit KamaAina Sep 2015 #73

Some corrections professionals see the logic in not segregating someone just for being transgendered BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #68

Wow, I guess I predicted the future BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #72