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BarstowCowboy

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55. Terminology

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:36 AM

Sep 2015

I have personally visited a transgender man who was confined to a detention center in Arizona who was, for no reason other than the fact that he was a transgender man, confined to a single person cell at all times, except for when he was taken out to shower by himself and when he was taken out for outdoor recreation, also by himself. To me, that's punishment, whether it's called segregation, protective custody or solitary confinement, it seems to me that this is something that is punitive and inhumane, and the fact that it was forced on him for no reason other than his gender seems like a violation of his civil rights.

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De facto punishment of transgender individuals in the penal system. [View all] BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 OP

No Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #1

I respect that your opinion comes from experience BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #6

It's not about who wins or loses the fight... TipTok Sep 2015 #10

I know but BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #12

"idea that ftm trans gender persons can't necessarily defend themselves against cisgender men" Monk06 Sep 2015 #13

I don't know if I already mentioned this or not... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #17

Segregation isn't solitary confinement. You are under protective custody along with other targeted Monk06 Sep 2015 #20

I just think they should be afforded the choice. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #26

They are in prison, they no longer have a choice Marrah_G Sep 2015 #30

I don't think you've thought your answer all the way through BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #35

I absolutely have thought it out. Marrah_G Sep 2015 #37

I respect that you have skin in this game BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #49

So a convicted rapist could say 1939 Sep 2015 #70

Apparently that's the way it's going to be in San Francisco soon BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #71

Again you are confusing segregation with solitary confinement. Not the same thing Monk06 Sep 2015 #34

I'm talking about being confined to a single person cell... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #36

Segregation is protective custody Marrah_G Sep 2015 #40

Semantics BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #50

I'm sure that a trans person could fend off Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #14

Once again, I respect that you have experience BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #18

I have concerns about that. Chemisse Sep 2015 #2

Not necessarily BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #7

Its not sexist at all Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #15

True, but... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #19

You are thinking it would be one on one and some sort of fair fight Marrah_G Sep 2015 #31

Once again... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #38

My son in law say you are way off base Marrah_G Sep 2015 #41

Thank you Aerows Sep 2015 #45

Please go back and read the OP BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #51

It depends on three things, imo. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #3

That's how it is Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #4

Not always BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #9

I'm not advocating that anyone should be forced BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #8

I disagree BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #52

I'm willing to bet transgender men would disagree with you. Alenne Sep 2015 #5

No one should be forced BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #11

Prison isn't about options. Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #25

Prison might not be about choices... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #27

It is not a punitive housing status. It is a protective one. Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #32

I thought that BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #39

No, not everyone Marrah_G Sep 2015 #42

No. That decision is made based on what it best for the overall Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #57

Are you involved in the corrections field? I'm just curious, n/t. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #53

I was a deputy for almost a decade, and when they were Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #56

I've never been in a prison, but my understanding is protective custody is not MillennialDem Sep 2015 #69

It's a difficult situation Aerows Sep 2015 #16

I must've really blown the OP BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #21

No, I think you've missed the premise of the unstated overarching objection... Chan790 Sep 2015 #22

This is *exactly* the take-away Aerows Sep 2015 #44

I know prejudice exists... Chan790 Sep 2015 #47

I think that people have the fundamental right Aerows Sep 2015 #48

I'm not sure how this thing got so far off track BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #54

You don't need to be more clear that that...I'm going to try this again. Chan790 Sep 2015 #60

Okay then... BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #63

Fair enough Lulu Belle Sep 2015 #23

As mentioned, the chances for sexual or other assault are much higher in that situation Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #24

A possible third choice? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #29

That would be the Segregation Unit Marrah_G Sep 2015 #43

Terminology BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #55

Money, resources, demand Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #58

No, safety considerations have to win out. Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #28

What's all this talk about safety? davidn3600 Sep 2015 #33

As ludicrous as the penal system is Aerows Sep 2015 #46

4.4% of males report sexual assault in prison, while 59% of trans female inmates in the same facilities do Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #59

Allowed but not otherwise pressured? Might work I guess One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #61

So solitary confinement then? BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #64

kobayashi maru One_Life_To_Give Sep 2015 #65

Good OP. Info from Transgender Law Center about transgender folks and the justice system: Zorra Sep 2015 #62

Thanks BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #66

Places with large trans populations like SF and LA could have special trans units KamaAina Sep 2015 #67

Turns out SF has such a unit KamaAina Sep 2015 #73

Some corrections professionals see the logic in not segregating someone just for being transgendered BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #68

Wow, I guess I predicted the future BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #72