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In reply to the discussion: Looking at the undisputed facts in the Zimmerman case and applying Zimmerman's original story [View all]Spoonman
(1,761 posts)119. Assumptions Again.......
Point by point:
He looked like he was pretty fit in the police video taken the night of the shooting.
"Looked" - I've seen woman from 50 ft away that looked stunning, but up close looked like boot leather.
Z's weight was never listed, only his height. His weight has been estimated at 70lbs
At 5' 9" every BMI chart I' looked at puts him 20 lbs overweight.
He also exits the police vehicle in handcuffs unassisted--something that is difficult to do unless you're in pretty good shape.
Is this an expert opinion? How would you know?
Was the back seat of the police car more conducive to the ability to do this more than others?
HUGE assumption!
NEXT
1.
continue home, ring the doorbell (he had no keys) and have it answered by his 14 yo future stepbrother, thereby putting the younger boy as well as himself at risk;
First off, you are assuming what he was *thinking*.
Was the front door locked?
Was the back door locked?
Was there a hidden key somewhere on the porch?
Does he give a shit about his *future* stepbrother?
Tons of assumptions here.
I would highly doubt he would have the gone through the in depth thought process you outline if indeed he was "terrified".
The FACT is that he didn't go home, and had more than enough time to get there regardless of what he was thinking.
We know this because he was shot outside his house, get it?
2.
hide out until he thinks the threat is gone (this is what I think happened)
OK, so he hides out and Z finds him, what next?
a. Z begins to question him and Trayvon becomes the aggressor - Z has broken no law, and Trayvon is subsequently justifiably killed
b. Trayvon gets pissed off and steps out of hiding to confront Z, becomes the aggressor and is subsequently justifiably killed
c. Z shoots him in cold blood, smashes his face against something to break his nose, rolls around in the grass and slams his head into the concrete causing the abrasions.
3.
confront the threat
a. By confronting the "threat" I will assume you meant to say Trayvon stuck Z, and thereby becomes the aggressor and is subsequently justifiably killed
b. Z shoots him in cold blood, smashes his face against something to break his nose, rolls around in the grass and slams his head into the concrete causing the abrasions.
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Looking at the undisputed facts in the Zimmerman case and applying Zimmerman's original story [View all]
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
OP
So what is Martin's motive in chosing to ambush Zimmerman instead of retreating to safety?
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#49
Well, at least you realize in a very backwards way the racial component of this case.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#72
Zimmerman is the one with history of violent assaults against other people, Trayvon's offenses
JI7
May 2012
#89
Yeah, it makes so much more sense that a kid with Skittles and tea went looking for a fight.
EOTE
May 2012
#94
Each time there is a new Trayvon thread, a member of MIRT should be assigned to babysit it.
stevenleser
May 2012
#63
Re: #3, I don't see any mention in the transcript that resembles telling Z not to exit his vehicle
slackmaster
May 2012
#3
No, there are other ways to be in that location. Perhaps he hid and waited to see what
uppityperson
May 2012
#28
Zimmy doesn't have to defend from every crackpot theory? Hahahaha. thank you MIRT. eom
uppityperson
May 2012
#33
Your are incorrect regarding the Police Dispatch ...it was not a " suggestion"
FarPoint
May 2012
#26
It wasn't a lawful order. Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to follow the advice.
slackmaster
May 2012
#30
Prove to me that we all can disregard the direction of an officer as desired ...
FarPoint
May 2012
#104
Officers can give ORDERS to people only under very limited circumstances, such as emergencies,
slackmaster
May 2012
#110
Your reply is presumptuous nonsense. You imply that Zimmerman broke a LAW by not following advice,
slackmaster
May 2012
#112
There's a difference between feeling pugnacious and being downright idiotic.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#19
Suspended for pot vs a person with a long history of violence, are you fucking kidding me?
Quixote1818
May 2012
#34
How was Trayvon bigger than Zimmerman? You keep saying that, what do you base that on?
uppityperson
May 2012
#21
How would Zimmerman lose sight of him? And Martin was not bigger than Zimmerman.
Quixote1818
May 2012
#23
I would have to go beyond the undisputed facts for speculation as to the timeline.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#53
You're going beyond the undisputed facts and into areas of some dispute.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#51
All the physical evidence merely does is establish that a struggle took place.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#102
But would you agree that Trayvon deciding to ambush Zimmerman out of the blue doesn't seem logical?
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#115
I think you are glossing over the fact that Trayvon was doing nothing wrong that evening.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2012
#129
I don't know what happened, but a high school kid wanting to beat the crap out of some creep
Vattel
May 2012
#113
The defied logic comes in because of other circumstances you omitt in his situation.
vaberella
May 2012
#132