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Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
49. There is NO proof that any person is a woman, but for her word.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:15 PM
Sep 2015

Bodies vary tremendously, even among individuals designated female at birth. And I have a number of trans* friends who have chosen not to alter their bodies or take hormones. Refusing alteration that is not medically necessary has no more impact on whether they are women (or, in some cases men) than refusing to have a breast implant after a mastectomy does.

Transwomen should not be subjected to harassment and purity checks because of a fearmongering suggestion that posting a "no men allowed" sign will magically keep men who are intent on raping, stalking, etc. out of women's bathrooms. There are laws against raping, stalking, etc. already. Use them.

Not to mention that there are already plenty of purity checks going on now that make going to the bathroom in public places (at a minimum) a burden and (at worst) a place of violence for ciswomen who are gender nonconforming, or even transwomen taking hormones who have had SRS who don't meet traditional standards of female beauty. What you are suggesting creates a license to demand a body check for anyone not deemed feminine enough.

Me too. K & R (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #1
No you don't. Not by your actions here. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #3
As long as they're carrying the correct papers, right? yardwork Sep 2015 #4
+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #54
Bullshit. nt Codeine Sep 2015 #11
Oh, shutup. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #14
LOL, sure you do. City Lights Sep 2015 #17
Go piss up a gender segregated rope. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #18
Nope. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #22
What did I miss? randys1 Sep 2015 #26
Hope you have a strong stomach ... Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #61
Yeah, and we expect this level of immaturity from righty, lord knows they are randys1 Sep 2015 #66
Ick............... raven mad Sep 2015 #100
Only as long as they have the financial means to transition, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #23
I support single-payer health care Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #25
It doesn't exist now, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #29
The problem is, if no proof at all is required, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #32
Are you going to put JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #39
There is NO proof that any person is a woman, but for her word. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #49
Agreed Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #58
Uh huh Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #56
YOU arent willing to ALLOW that? randys1 Sep 2015 #64
Along with 50% of DU, based upon the poll results (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #65
Based on your push-poll with 100% transphobic options (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #69
As bad as this shit is here, it is sickening out in the con world. randys1 Sep 2015 #71
And? jeff47 Sep 2015 #73
Oh, all I am trying to do is respond without being silenced. My true feelings for these randys1 Sep 2015 #75
oops randys1 Sep 2015 #70
In a thread that has all of 1 - count it one - recommendation. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #72
You are incorrect. nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #80
Your transphobic poll sucks. City Lights Sep 2015 #84
It was a push poll, and even then that's not how the results read gollygee Sep 2015 #103
What proof is currently required to enter a public restroom, regardless of who claims to be what? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #67
"are not willing to allow that." And how the fuck are you going to prevent it BIG man? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #86
Who should show proof, what type and to whom before being allowed in a public restroom? uppityperson Sep 2015 #88
This. All of this. nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #55
Quite a lot of transgender individuals wouldn't have surgery if it were free. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #30
it doesnt exist now, and people vary in how much they need to transition physically La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #35
You are absolutely correct! JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #40
The Amazon original series "Transparent" should be required viewing for ALL Americans randys1 Sep 2015 #77
I will check that out Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #81
And carry the appropriate papers to show to an undetermined person. uppityperson Sep 2015 #85
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #31
+1. also what is with all the bathroom policing. i've been using women's bathrooms all my life La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #37
+2 Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #46
+3. the hidden post got it right. He should have been banned long ago. morningfog Sep 2015 #51
I stand with Hidden Post. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #74
Absolutely! nt City Lights Sep 2015 #83
Liar. morningfog Sep 2015 #50
Must be Opposite Day again. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #63
But only if they carry the proper papers, am I right? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #76
I support our transgender brothers and sisters. nt. JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #2
Is there a thread here about Caitlin Jenner being against Gay Marriage? What an ass randys1 Sep 2015 #28
I don't know but JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #33
I missed whatever happened...? randys1 Sep 2015 #36
See reply #31 JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #41
This thread. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #45
I can't get over the idea JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #47
Absolutely agree Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #59
Oh yeah,I responded and just asked the OP to grow up, in essence. But I see you took a more randys1 Sep 2015 #62
Glad to be of service backscatter712 Sep 2015 #43
I thin you only wrote JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #44
Same here! MrScorpio Sep 2015 #5
Me too. n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #6
Ditto demmiblue Sep 2015 #7
KICK AND REC!!! LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #8
I do too. Absolutely! nt City Lights Sep 2015 #9
DUers consistently support civil and human rights pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #10
Happy to K&R. bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #12
We aswell JackInGreen Sep 2015 #13
You bet damnedifIknow Sep 2015 #15
And I find it depressing that I need to state that here. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #16
+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #21
Indeed. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #79
For those we've lost... beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #19
Recommend. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #20
Yep. Indeed. mmonk Sep 2015 #24
I do as well. TDale313 Sep 2015 #27
I do too. Always have. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #34
Same here! MoonRiver Sep 2015 #38
I too support our transgender brothers and sisters. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #42
Aaaaannnnd speaking of which... Zorra Sep 2015 #48
Apparently Skinner thinks that people like Nye Bevan need to be educated. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #52
I read Skinner's response too. cwydro Sep 2015 #57
I'm sorry, my patience is gone, when its the same group of posters, who Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #68
What in the world have I said to make you say that? cwydro Sep 2015 #92
There is no way to respectfully disagree with bigots, and you make things worse by admitting you... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #94
You must have me confused with someone else. cwydro Sep 2015 #95
I have a question, look at this post I made a while ago... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #96
Ah very good. Asking ME a question so cwydro Sep 2015 #97
This isn't my thread, also I don't know if you would hide a bigoted post or not, hence why I asked. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #99
I think it's this part: kcr Sep 2015 #104
wrong link, should end in a 2. uppityperson Sep 2015 #87
whoops, should have double checked my link. Thanks. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #90
Me too. azmom Sep 2015 #53
I do as well. Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #60
We're attending a transgender wedding this weekend Oilwellian Sep 2015 #78
Certain posts Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #82
Exactly, also similar to those who reference "urban culture", "thugs" and other coded... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #91
Of course. uppityperson Sep 2015 #89
Me too. Sorry it took me so long to say so on this thread Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #93
Don't feel bad, I got one too for calling out a person Rex Sep 2015 #98
Me too libodem Sep 2015 #101
I support the right for a person to use the restroom of their gender. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #102
IN SOLIDARITY WITH MY LGBT BROTHERS AND SISTERS Skittles Sep 2015 #105
Agreed! DemocraticWing Sep 2015 #106
Same here! lovemydog Sep 2015 #107
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