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Daalalou

(54 posts)
125. My response
Tue May 22, 2012, 11:17 AM
May 2012
At 5' 9" every BMI chart I' looked at puts him 20 lbs overweight.

185-200 lbs at 5'9" classifies as overweight BMI, but not obese. However, BMI is not always an accurate assessment of fitness: "Athletes sometimes get the short end of the stick when it comes to BMI results. Because BMI is based on height and weight, muscle mass isn't taken into account and muscle-bound athletes like football players, body builders and softball players often test at overweight or obese levels." Source

ETA: You made some pretty huge assumptions in the post I was responding to: "Zimmerman is a lard ass, and NO WAY NO HOW could have outrun a 17 year old football player. (That's logical). If Trayvon took off running, as Z stated, he had ample time to get home WAY before fat boy could have caught up to him."

How do you know that? If you hadn't seen the 2005 mug shot when Z was very overweight and your first image of him was either the police video or Z at his arraignment, I doubt you would have come to that conclusion.

He also exits the police vehicle in handcuffs unassisted--something that is difficult to do unless you're in pretty good shape.

Is this an expert opinion? How would you know?
Was the back seat of the police car more conducive to the ability to do this more than others?
HUGE assumption!


It's based on an expert opinion. I watched a retired police officer (sorry, can't remember the show) make observations about the police surveillance video when Zimmerman arrives at the station. He noted that Zimmerman moved easily and fluidly throughout the video, but most tellingly when he exited the car. Most people use at least one hand, on the door handle or the seat, to give them leverage when they're getting out of a car. When you're handcuffed, you don't have a free hand to use, so usually a police officer will help you out. The retired policeman pointed out that not only did no one help Zimmerman get out, he didn't need anyone's help.

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You're right, I don't know if the doors were locked, or if there was a hidden key. But going home, even if home was easy to enter, opens up the possibility that Z is still following and would see where he was staying. In addition, both his dad and the future stepbrother's mother said the two boys were close, and Trayvon was buying Skittles for him. So yeah, I think there's evidence he'd be concerned about leading Zimmerman home where the younger boy was waiting.

a. By confronting the "threat" I will assume you meant to say Trayvon stuck Z, and thereby becomes the aggressor and is subsequently justifiably killed
b. Z shoots him in cold blood, smashes his face against something to break his nose, rolls around in the grass and slams his head into the concrete causing the abrasions.


I think you're lying when you say you haven't taken a side. Z's injuries weren't consistent with his head being slammed against the concrete, and T's injuries (to his hands) weren't consistent with beating someone. Furthermore, confronting the threat doesn't presume violence--"What are you following me for?!!" is confronting it. You're the one suggesting that means Trayvon struck first, and we don't know that.

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#3 is not quite correct. Common Sense Party May 2012 #1
Thanks. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #2
Oh, no, not in the least. Common Sense Party May 2012 #4
Option B BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #45
So what is Martin's motive in chosing to ambush Zimmerman instead of retreating to safety? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #49
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #50
Wow. Okay. Wow. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #52
Yeah, Wow BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #64
"These assholes always get away." Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #67
Numerous Break-ins BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #69
Most rapists are men. Does that give anyone the right to profile all men? Daalalou May 2012 #71
Well, at least you realize in a very backwards way the racial component of this case. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #72
Martin Was Clearly the Aggressor Ultimately BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #76
What profile other than black and male? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #80
Well... BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #83
Really....I mean, Really.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #85
Well... BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #86
Again, we are going off of Zimmerman's ORIGINAL STORY. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #90
Zimmerman is the one with history of violent assaults against other people, Trayvon's offenses JI7 May 2012 #89
Do you even know what profiling is? EOTE May 2012 #95
let's break it down like this.. frylock May 2012 #96
I have to give a big thumbs up to this. EOTE May 2012 #99
i'm sick of these trolls signing up here to spread their racisct crap.. frylock May 2012 #107
We have every reason to believe that Zimmerman provoked Martin MattBaggins May 2012 #100
Zimmerman didn't know any of that treestar May 2012 #117
Based on your insulting, moronic comments to the OP CatWoman May 2012 #84
Well... BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #88
Brawndo's got what plants crave. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #91
so the answer to preventing crime CatWoman May 2012 #73
No One Suggested Killing All Young Black Men BeGoodDoGood May 2012 #77
Yeah, it makes so much more sense that a kid with Skittles and tea went looking for a fight. EOTE May 2012 #94
Why not shoot him in the arm or shoulder then? treestar May 2012 #116
Or simply show his gun? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #118
Or just told him he had a gun treestar May 2012 #121
except for a few points magical thyme May 2012 #124
You forgot one huge important piece of evidence. sabrina 1 May 2012 #130
You won't get a response. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #131
my head just completely and earth shatteringly CatWoman May 2012 #60
Thank you, I thought for a minute I was the only one appalled. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #61
next he'll tell us Trayvon will appear as a hologram CatWoman May 2012 #62
No, I noticed it too NoGOPZone May 2012 #65
Each time there is a new Trayvon thread, a member of MIRT should be assigned to babysit it. stevenleser May 2012 #63
Mine did too Generic Other May 2012 #70
LOL!! CatWoman May 2012 #74
Unlike Zimmerman's light gray T-shirt, which Fawke Em May 2012 #93
Re: #3, I don't see any mention in the transcript that resembles telling Z not to exit his vehicle slackmaster May 2012 #3
I went ahead and edited as to that one issue. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #6
It doesn't matter RiseFromBelow May 2012 #12
Who threw the first punch may be in dispute.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #16
From a post downthread, it seems he does believe that. uppityperson May 2012 #22
Who said there was a long verbal argument? RiseFromBelow May 2012 #25
No, there are other ways to be in that location. Perhaps he hid and waited to see what uppityperson May 2012 #28
No evidence RiseFromBelow May 2012 #32
Zimmy doesn't have to defend from every crackpot theory? Hahahaha. thank you MIRT. eom uppityperson May 2012 #33
No other injuries... including on his knuckles Daalalou May 2012 #55
Not from you, but some have speculated.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #31
Why wasn't Zimmerman back at his truck? Daalalou May 2012 #54
Your are incorrect regarding the Police Dispatch ...it was not a " suggestion" FarPoint May 2012 #26
It wasn't a lawful order. Zimmerman was under no legal obligation to follow the advice. slackmaster May 2012 #30
Yes it was a command. FarPoint May 2012 #36
Please cite an applicable Florida statute to back up your claim slackmaster May 2012 #39
Prove to me that we all can disregard the direction of an officer as desired ... FarPoint May 2012 #104
Officers can give ORDERS to people only under very limited circumstances, such as emergencies, slackmaster May 2012 #110
Well...if you practice what you preach and advocate... FarPoint May 2012 #111
Your reply is presumptuous nonsense. You imply that Zimmerman broke a LAW by not following advice, slackmaster May 2012 #112
oh good. new meat. frylock May 2012 #97
Physical altercation varstal110 Dec 2012 #135
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #5
He was 17 years old. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #9
Oh, I agree with the running RiseFromBelow May 2012 #17
There's a difference between feeling pugnacious and being downright idiotic. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #19
Only crime RiseFromBelow May 2012 #27
Suspended for pot vs a person with a long history of violence, are you fucking kidding me? Quixote1818 May 2012 #34
You'll have to prove that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman first. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #35
Would you care to bring up Zimmermans violent past MattBaggins May 2012 #98
Troll alert! Troll alert! Somebody help! broiles May 2012 #13
I want him/her JustAnotherGen May 2012 #20
i guess calling people 'troll' ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #43
Can you please edit that? Iggo May 2012 #44
Excellent fielding of foul trolls. FarPoint May 2012 #108
He was on his way to leftynyc May 2012 #14
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #15
Why would a Private Citizen JustAnotherGen May 2012 #18
How was Trayvon bigger than Zimmerman? You keep saying that, what do you base that on? uppityperson May 2012 #21
How would Zimmerman lose sight of him? And Martin was not bigger than Zimmerman. Quixote1818 May 2012 #23
Zimmerman neglected to inform the Officer- Dispatcher FarPoint May 2012 #29
And another racist troll bites the dust. Rex May 2012 #38
Here they come Kingofalldems May 2012 #7
I love watching trolls get shitcanned. Rex May 2012 #40
I actually wanted him to answer my question though. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #41
I don't think he would be able to answer that question Rex May 2012 #56
I think Zimmerman didn't know that shimonitanegi May 2012 #8
I don't think much matters before they fought Life Long Dem May 2012 #10
It's more of a matter of his original story not making any sense. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #11
Good question goclark May 2012 #24
Actually it does in a huge way. Rex May 2012 #37
are you sure about the 300 feet? hfojvt May 2012 #42
I would have to go beyond the undisputed facts for speculation as to the timeline. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #53
but the two minutes is an undisputed fact hfojvt May 2012 #66
Home is a place where the only person present... Daalalou May 2012 #68
Your point supports Trayvon Daalalou May 2012 #58
the two minutes is enough time to get home hfojvt May 2012 #79
I agree; I think he continued to look for Trayvon Daalalou May 2012 #82
you know, George.....the kind of troll that was sent to this thread... grasswire May 2012 #46
The FBI is going to flambe him. Rex May 2012 #48
Option B defies all logic and human nature? Spoonman May 2012 #47
You're going beyond the undisputed facts and into areas of some dispute. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #51
Really? joeglow3 May 2012 #87
Different context though. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #92
I'm sticking with the facts Spoonman May 2012 #101
All the physical evidence merely does is establish that a struggle took place. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #102
You obviously missed your calling........ Spoonman May 2012 #103
And millions of others have convicted Trayvon Daalalou May 2012 #105
Very good points Spoonman May 2012 #109
You're wrong about the facts Daalalou May 2012 #114
Assumptions Again....... Spoonman May 2012 #119
My response Daalalou May 2012 #125
But would you agree that Trayvon deciding to ambush Zimmerman out of the blue doesn't seem logical? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #115
You are still trying to place YOUR logic into the mind of a 17 year old Spoonman May 2012 #122
What Zimmerman story are you going off of? Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #123
His original story...... Spoonman May 2012 #126
I think you are glossing over the fact that Trayvon was doing nothing wrong that evening. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #129
I cannot read minds, that much is true. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #106
Trayvon wasn't that big, and Zimmerman was no longer fat Daalalou May 2012 #59
The ambush story has always bothered me the most... Sancho May 2012 #57
Powerful. H2O Man May 2012 #75
Psst... his dad wasn't home. Fawke Em May 2012 #78
Noted. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #81
I don't know what happened, but a high school kid wanting to beat the crap out of some creep Vattel May 2012 #113
Zimmerman doesn't just allege a verbal confrontation, though. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #120
You overestimate the maturity and prudence of teenagers. Vattel May 2012 #127
To the contrary, I think you underestimate them. Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #128
The defied logic comes in because of other circumstances you omitt in his situation. vaberella May 2012 #132
Good point as to No. 4 .... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #133
You guys are guessing, and that's fine. Vattel May 2012 #134
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