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162. So, being a skeptic who doesn't take things at face value makes me the problem?

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:33 PM

Sep 2015

Listen, if the letter is real, then I pray for bravenak's safety, I truly do. If it isn't (which is always a possibility. I don't like the fear that it's instilled in our community. And in politics, things like that can be faked, but they can be real.) real, then I just guess that's part of DU's political maelstrom.

We can let the subject of the letter be a divisive thing, OR, we could agree to disagree. In the end, as long as bravenak does what is best for her safety, as long as we all are vigilant to continue with our daily lives, then the letter doesn't matter and we'll carry on as we always do.

I'm not letting a letter divide me from other people, I'm not letting it scare me from the damn internet.

So your choice is yours, does the letter divide you from we the people? Or does it embolden you to find resolve?

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Thinking about leaving the DU? [View all] retrowire Sep 2015 OP

DU being overrun with trolls and disrupters has nothing to do with politics. nt onehandle Sep 2015 #1

politics has always been full of trolls. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #3

And there are ways to deal with them. onehandle Sep 2015 #4

given up? retrowire Sep 2015 #7

One effective way to deal with trolls... bvar22 Sep 2015 #125

this so bad. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #130

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #230

This is the time-honored way of dealing with trolls. senz Sep 2015 #238

I wouldn't say "given up" RussBLib Sep 2015 #10

exactly! retrowire Sep 2015 #19

sounds like good advice, not giving up notadmblnd Sep 2015 #62

you mean they won't pre-emptively declare the primaries over and boot all non-Hillary supporters? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #122

So what you are saying is all trolls and disrupters are non-Hillary supporters. onehandle Sep 2015 #145

No, I've done terms on MIRT. Trolls and disruptors are generally dealt with effectively. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #150

Good post. You are absolutely right PatrickforO Sep 2015 #165

I've done MIRT too. Constant discussion of 'passing up' people out of reach of MIRT. onehandle Sep 2015 #172

Confirmed your suspicion of what? There's no great secret, MIRT isnt tasked with going after long time Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #192

Since you clearly don't know what 'passing up' means... onehandle Sep 2015 #196

I believe the term we used was "kicking upstairs", actually. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #204

I've experienced nothing like that. It's very business like, and efficient. onehandle Sep 2015 #217

oh my.... Bubzer Sep 2015 #231

Very true. zentrum Sep 2015 #65

Puhleazeee, handle RobertEarl Sep 2015 #11

thank you passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #39

It is getting old, isn't it? RobertEarl Sep 2015 #54

Old, yes, but not unexpected passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #56

Yeah, I got carried away the other day. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #166

...^ that 840high Sep 2015 #92

I think losing "politics 2015" may have something to do with this impression re trolls (or twits) Bill USA Sep 2015 #93

I said nothing like that. It's interesting that so many in this thread... onehandle Sep 2015 #147

Quote from reply #1: RobertEarl Sep 2015 #188

You and others claimed that I was saying 'not agreeing' = troll and disrupters activity. onehandle Sep 2015 #195

Put them on ignore. roody Sep 2015 #52

Put them on ignore and not be able to call some one an asshole notadmblnd Sep 2015 #64

Who? People who disagree with one's presidential choice are not JDPriestly Sep 2015 #61

^^^ This ^^^ Tommymac Sep 2015 #113

I said nothing even near that. You seem to be saying that. onehandle Sep 2015 #146

This is so deep that senz Sep 2015 #236

The poster that spams the board with "scoreboard" posts of national polling.. frylock Sep 2015 #77

That's what you think is disruption? onehandle Sep 2015 #148

What other reason would there be to post national polling of a primary election.. frylock Sep 2015 #160

good advice still_one Sep 2015 #2

Don't conflate message boards with the Party or the voting booth. merrily Sep 2015 #5

yeah i just corrected that broad statement. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #6

+1 Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #8

This AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #13

Nah. When I use board tools like Ignore and Trash Thread, I have an enjoyable closeupready Sep 2015 #9

you're doing it right. :) n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #12

I like what you are saying, problem is the jury system cant work for everyone, only the majority randys1 Sep 2015 #14

i too am a white male that agrees that the powers that be retrowire Sep 2015 #18

The rule here is Democrats only, I am pretty sure. Now not all Democrats are liberals, and that randys1 Sep 2015 #21

i read an idea about making those being judged anonymous. retrowire Sep 2015 #22

Better than what we have now, for sure...What I would do is appoint mods, and the rule would be randys1 Sep 2015 #28

Avoid the accusatory and very personal "you." JDPriestly Sep 2015 #82

Very true! Bubzer Sep 2015 #232

But I looked up the posts that 1StrongBlackMan was JDPriestly Sep 2015 #234

I usually try to see the entire thread so that I know the context JDPriestly Sep 2015 #76

totally agree. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #97

That really does not help with civility at all. Alert on the other posts in the thread if you think seaglass Sep 2015 #99

When we had moderation awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #152

Often, though, the baby got tossed out with the bathwater. MADem Sep 2015 #205

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #233

I'd be fine with that awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #239

There's not only one way to be a liberal. Nitram Sep 2015 #47

So if there are hundreds of right leaning, non liberal members here at a board dedicated randys1 Sep 2015 #85

Is that what I said? Nitram Sep 2015 #222

How does one know how liberal or not liberal jury members are? notadmblnd Sep 2015 #81

sigh randys1 Sep 2015 #84

Is that your way of saying that you are unable explain it to me? notadmblnd Sep 2015 #91

They may have changed the rule, bvar22 Sep 2015 #134

And women who feel driven to out-macho the white heterosexual men? Divernan Sep 2015 #50

Oy, it NEVER stops randys1 Sep 2015 #83

Just come out and say it awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #155

What does that even mean? Lisa D Sep 2015 #223

The jury system is a problem. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #67

I was going to stop serving on juries awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #142

When on a jury, Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #201

I tend to lean that way, unless blatant awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #202

Perhaps there is a reason for your difficulties with some posters. kiva Sep 2015 #167

There is right and wrong on race, period. I know where I stand. randys1 Sep 2015 #227

Everytime I announce I'm going to leave, don't listen to me. mmonk Sep 2015 #15

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #200

That's it! I am leaving right now ...damn it all. L0oniX Sep 2015 #235

Ahhhh. You're onto me. mmonk Sep 2015 #240

I have been here for 10 years. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #16

keep fighting. don't give up. otherwise they win. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #20

I am with Starry on this - TBF Sep 2015 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author retrowire Sep 2015 #24

I think that is something only the admins TBF Sep 2015 #30

How in the world did someone get her home address from DU? LittleBlue Sep 2015 #78

Real what? Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author retrowire Sep 2015 #37

It's a real letter I have no doubt, cwydro Sep 2015 #58

are you implying Braveneck faked the letter? It would seem so. bettyellen Sep 2015 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author retrowire Sep 2015 #60

+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #26

They did win. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #25

you're still here aren't you? retrowire Sep 2015 #27

I'm leaving a message so people know why we are leaving, in case they care. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #32

They (you) win WHAT?? Yes, I'm leaving, but no, you haven't won much. Squinch Sep 2015 #151

If you think this is an "us vs them" scenario, then that's your weakness. We're equals in my eyes. retrowire Sep 2015 #153

Something terrible happened to a person who posts here. You have pooh-poohed it and discounted it. Squinch Sep 2015 #159

So, being a skeptic who doesn't take things at face value makes me the problem? retrowire Sep 2015 #162

No, you're not going to let a letter divide you from other people...you're just going to accuse the Squinch Sep 2015 #169

The letter is real, or not. That's my final position. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #170

You've accused her of faking it all over this thread. THAT's your final position. Squinch Sep 2015 #171

Thanks for speaking for me. retrowire Sep 2015 #173

Oh, you've spoken for yourself just fine. I think we all know exactly what you are saying. Squinch Sep 2015 #174

New final position. retrowire Sep 2015 #175

Gosh, we've all been waiting with baited breath for you to come around. Squinch Sep 2015 #176

I'm glad you're relieved. retrowire Sep 2015 #177

I am appalled at the way Bravenak is being treated around this, and you are one of the Squinch Sep 2015 #178

no skin off my back. stay cool. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #179

I feel as you do, chervilant Sep 2015 #218

Yes, it is time. Been time. Homework time. ancianita Sep 2015 #51

+10000. YoungDemCA Sep 2015 #53

I doubt if that was a federal crime hfojvt Sep 2015 #57

I'm on the other end of the spectrum KentuckyWoman Sep 2015 #186

I hope Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #212

+1000 Lisa D Sep 2015 #224

This. geardaddy Sep 2015 #226

When is/was the world NOT falling apart? n/t PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #17

People were pretty upbeat before that whole Crimean War thing. <G> -nt Freelancer Sep 2015 #36

*snort* dorkzilla Sep 2015 #43

I realize I'm coming at this from a "data" viewpoint erronis Sep 2015 #29

I was just invited to another board JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #33

I'm staying, but if you go, JAG, mountain grammy Sep 2015 #70

Thank you mg JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #124

Thanks for this. lark Sep 2015 #34

Most people are immovable, impenetrable & impervious. Why lean against immovable objects? Freelancer Sep 2015 #35

Well said. gregcrawford Sep 2015 #38

Good post, retrowire! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #40

Nobody is leaving... Helen Borg Sep 2015 #42

I'm leaving... meaculpa2011 Sep 2015 #44

yep that is real easy on these internets dembotoz Sep 2015 #48

If you get tombstoned, you'd become "name removed" ms liberty Sep 2015 #187

Good advice. DU is a good place to hash out all that can't be hashed out with family or friends. ancianita Sep 2015 #45

well said! n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #59

This stuff has gone on here for years and will go on for years. Give it no nevermind. marble falls Sep 2015 #46

You can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave... liberal N proud Sep 2015 #49

"On a dark desert highway..." great tune, thanks saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #229

The only thing we have to fear is�. world wide wally Sep 2015 #55

A calm voice in the storm calling for all hands on deck Android3.14 Sep 2015 #63

Tried the "stay, learn, teach, and "fight" " route - although trying not to really fight. George II Sep 2015 #66

I try to remember that this is a message board. hamsterjill Sep 2015 #68

If I may offer my two cents DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #69

PS: sleaze DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #73

Never bothers me... brooklynite Sep 2015 #71

I'm not planning on going anywhere, but... HuckleB Sep 2015 #72

It's been clear to me since I joined that this is a board for white men, and so long as your Sheldon Cooper Sep 2015 #74

I Wish I Could Favorite Your Post lib87 Sep 2015 #228

leaving no banned hope not captainarizona Sep 2015 #75

Especially seeing as how this latest incident probably isn't even real. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #79

I'm a sanders supporter retrowire Sep 2015 #86

I don't think anybody would not foresee that getting posted. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #88

but someone said there's photo proof retrowire Sep 2015 #90

It isn't hard Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #94

good point. retrowire Sep 2015 #96

I agree. n/t Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #104

Agree. 840high Sep 2015 #199

The sender sent two letters. Realizing he had written the wrong address on one. boston bean Sep 2015 #163

The person who did is probably high fiving his wonderfulself this very moment. boston bean Sep 2015 #161

Sorry, logic has absolutely no place in this discussion Fumesucker Sep 2015 #89

You're welcome. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #100

This was a very 840high Sep 2015 #105

Agree. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #117

yep. false flag operation. not a very good one either Doctor_J Sep 2015 #135

Makes me feel so sad. Sanders is 840high Sep 2015 #137

That's ridiculous gollygee Sep 2015 #110

Not jedi, pretty simplistic actually. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #115

Nasty and mean is one thing, stupid is another Fumesucker Sep 2015 #141

I doubt the person's user name is Mr. Citizen gollygee Sep 2015 #168

I'm quite skeptical of this "letter" myself. Just doesn't Purveyor Sep 2015 #121

A fucking lunatic would. boston bean Sep 2015 #156

It was posted publicly on this site, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #203

when i read the letter i thought the same thing questionseverything Sep 2015 #185

I would like to point out to everyone that I did a search through a search engine. I came up with LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #190

Yeah, no, the way BLM was treated here... joshcryer Sep 2015 #208

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I don't understand eliminating "Politics 2015". THis leaves pretty much only Gen Disc for political Bill USA Sep 2015 #87

Didn't you know? You can checkout anytime you want, but you can never leave. nt Rex Sep 2015 #95

But Some Will Always Try Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #237

When stalkers are invading people's privacy... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #98

what if the purpose of that letter is to only scare people? n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #101

A prudent person would be scared if people who could conceivably harm them had their address. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #106

would a brave person be considered a fool then? n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #107

No matter how brave a person is he or she can't protect him or herself from threats they can't see. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #112

Then I guess I'm a fool. retrowire Sep 2015 #164

End of message amigo! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #183

Thanks! ....eom retrowire Sep 2015 #184

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I sure hope you're right about that. Number23 Sep 2015 #209

You deserved it, too. Your message was mocking, not innocuous. MADem Sep 2015 #114

No, you got blocked for more than that and you know it. leftofcool Sep 2015 #129

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Innocuous? mcar Sep 2015 #143

Certain AA posters don't feel safe here anymore NuclearDem Sep 2015 #149

Learn? Learn what? That the troll to DUer ratio is approaching ten to one? MADem Sep 2015 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Sep 2015 #109

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good to hear! n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #118

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I'm gonna follow your lead! n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #136

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True. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #154

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This is a good way to put it. retrowire Sep 2015 #158

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Oh alright then. retrowire Sep 2015 #191

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such a wise post Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #211

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i'm thinking about leaving DU. barbtries Sep 2015 #214

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Everyone has the same tools available to control their own experience her at the DU Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #220

thanks captain obvious! retrowire Sep 2015 #221