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quakerboy

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63. In the vast majority of cases, they do.
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
May 2012

Internal investigations appear, by their results, to be more aimed at justification and exoneration than at actual investigation. It is extremely rare that you hear of anything more than a slap on the wrist for abuse of the public, up to and including murder of unarmed civilians.

Case in point, here in Portland, there is a cop who shot and killed an unarmed civilian. They fired him. Now he, with the full support of the union, is demanding his job be returned to him. And by all accounts he is very likely to be rehired.

What is society to do? We need to bring the police back to policing. They need to be a peace force, not a paramilitary group. And they need to be a part of the community, not an outside militia. We have the national guard and the military to take care of those functions.

How do we do this? The way we train police needs to change. The rules for police need to change. Accountability needs to be put in place.

Their training needs to focus more on the people. It needs to involve people. It should probably be done involving far more community settings. They should meet and spend significant amounts of time with youth who will grow up into the young adults they will prospectively be protecting and serving. They should be spending more time with the communities they are likely to police than with other trainees, so that that the connections, the loyalty is with the policed, not the police. Personally, I believe that a fair bit of community service within the communities that are likely to provide the most issues for them would be in order, both during training and during their time of service. If both sides can be seen as human by the other, I am willing to bet that there would be a lot less anger by or against cops, and a greater likelihood to resolve rather than escalate into violence.

Then there is accountability. A policeman should never ever ever be threatened by a camera. In fact, I would advocate that with all the equipment that they carry, it should be no big deal to have a camera/recording device that would be present and running at all times while a policeman is on duty. They are given a great deal of power over the general populace, and are generally accorded a great deal of respect and deference to their reported versions of events. However, there is no denying that there are "bad apples" within the police force. And the sad fact is that they are in a fraternity where a "good cop" tattling on a bad apple can result in death, not to mention social exclusion. That attitude needs to be destroyed, and I think constant recording would do that. Once there is always a true record available, the incentive to lie or be silent about the wrongdoings of another would seem to be much lower.

And then we need to change the rules. They are in a high stress, high danger job, and I do think some reasonable allowances need to be made for that. But I think we have gone too far in this, with even clearly egregious behavior far more likely to receive a slap on the wrist than a true punishment. If anything, I think that while they should be afforded some additional latitude in their actions, the punishments for a police officer who steps over the line should be vastly increased.

Your side comments about other professions seem to me to be a nonsequitur. Name a profession who is accorded the same powers and privileges, and we can discuss whether they are held to a high enough standard.

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Right. The 800,000 cops in this country are all the same. randome May 2012 #1
pretty much, I think they are.... mike_c May 2012 #4
You 'rarely see'? Are you watching them all? randome May 2012 #9
its less dangerous driving a cab RedRocco May 2012 #11
what a load SwampG8r May 2012 #57
It's true. Chicago is one of those odd cities raouldukelives May 2012 #60
+99 rug May 2012 #32
To a point YES bakpakr May 2012 #5
I wish it worked that way. randome May 2012 #10
Any good cop who steps up will be treated the way the Officer in NYC, Schoolhouse, was treated. He sabrina 1 May 2012 #29
No 800,000 cops have decide if they want to be on the right side..... DeSwiss May 2012 #22
FYI, the National Guard were on standby in Chicago according to reports. I hope they were there to sabrina 1 May 2012 #28
+1 treestar May 2012 #38
K&R DJ13 May 2012 #2
regardless, cops thug for the 1% and they are NOT our friends.... mike_c May 2012 #3
not until they reign in their own whack jobs fascisthunter May 2012 #7
I have plenty of cops that are my friends & are honorable people - what's this "our" crap AnotherMother4Peace May 2012 #14
just like those wonderful folks in the OP, huh? mike_c May 2012 #15
Logical Fallacy - "Mike is begging the question, therefore all Mikes do the same" AnotherMother4Peace May 2012 #18
if mike turns a blind eye to the injustices that the other mikes are meting out.. frylock May 2012 #24
How can we tell whether all the posters are cops? virgogal May 2012 #23
It is their FB page. And they have since removed it, according to the OP. sabrina 1 May 2012 #53
My father was a cop. And I agree with Mike. Cops are not our friends. 1monster May 2012 #27
I'm sure plenty of Nazis were "nice people", too. Odin2005 May 2012 #42
True. Nice enough to provide summer camps for children and treat their Gr Shepards very well. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #59
"Honorable people" until they're ordered not to be just1voice May 2012 #66
K&R. n/t DLevine May 2012 #6
Disgusting. Arugula Latte May 2012 #8
There are posters here that would roust their own parents EFerrari May 2012 #12
More to it... mcdedrick May 2012 #13
You're her mother? My heart-felt wishes to you both :( Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #17
update mcdedrick May 2012 #67
Big hugs to both of you! Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #69
you read my mind! mcdedrick May 2012 #71
Welcome to DU! hootinholler May 2012 #76
First off, thank you for supporting your daughter... Earth_First May 2012 #21
Thanks! mcdedrick May 2012 #72
I wish I could recommend your post. JDPriestly May 2012 #26
Thx! mcdedrick May 2012 #73
You should wait until you have enough posts to be qualified to start a thread and then start one. JDPriestly May 2012 #77
Are you the mother of the girl? I thought Bologna at least got a slap on the wrist due to the sabrina 1 May 2012 #30
I hope your daughter sues the City of New York and Bloomburg into coalition_unwilling May 2012 #52
Stay tuned.... mcdedrick May 2012 #74
REC! SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #16
Lol Son of Gob May 2012 #19
That, and the paper that didn't take down those horrific KKKomments. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #25
That Sun Times part added nothing to your subject matter Son of Gob May 2012 #35
I =do= have an in-built need to point out problems Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #36
You're right so I edited it out. It's just so damn awful... Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #48
Thanks Fire Walk With Me Son of Gob May 2012 #51
What do you think of the outright, disgusting Racism displayed in those comments? And the anti sabrina 1 May 2012 #31
I think it's a disgrace Son of Gob May 2012 #37
I'm talking about the cops, who erased their racist remarks when they were discovered. sabrina 1 May 2012 #40
I agree with you on the cops part Son of Gob May 2012 #41
Well, we agree. I have family in Chicago, I know those comments do not represent them. sabrina 1 May 2012 #46
K&R n/t DeSwiss May 2012 #20
Good for you for capturing those vile comments before the idiots took them down. sabrina 1 May 2012 #33
Most cops are freepers. backscatter712 May 2012 #34
Then pick different cops treestar May 2012 #39
I personally am wary quakerboy May 2012 #45
Cops do not always "walk away free as a bird" for things like this treestar May 2012 #58
In the vast majority of cases, they do. quakerboy May 2012 #63
Not a complete nonsequitur, since the powers afforded are necessary treestar May 2012 #65
small progress has been made, with even greater degredation quakerboy May 2012 #68
Other professions are also far less likely to lead to you getting killed treestar May 2012 #70
No quakerboy May 2012 #79
Wow, you can always be found defending the cops. Zalatix May 2012 #54
Thats only a few cops, that is not a good sample to find their feelings quakerboy May 2012 #43
When I see something like that, I hold responsible all other cops who can see it Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #50
So what happens when a protester does something wrong? randome May 2012 #56
Cops = legalized extortion racket Odin2005 May 2012 #44
The Editor In Chief of the website "Officer.com" is Frank Borelli. Dawson Leery May 2012 #47
Dang, thanks for that.. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #49
K&R May Day started here. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #55
Never Forget! bvar22 May 2012 #61
If you're baffled, then maybe you're not seeing the problem correctly. randome May 2012 #62
Your willingness "to see things from a different perspective"... bvar22 May 2012 #64
Get the CutePDF writer for your computer krispos42 May 2012 #75
Very interesting, thank you! Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #78
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