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SMC22307

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415. I'm pretty impressed with how even-keeled and neutral/fair he seems to be.

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:31 AM

Sep 2015

There are overlapping groups -- definitely two, more like four -- which are hell-bent on portraying DU in the worst possible light. But they're also the ones who claim DU isn't the real world, yet spend an inordinate amount of time on the site. The general gist is that DU is any number of the many -ists and doesn't care about women or POC, and that the owners are apathetic about it all. Now, why would these folks push that narrative? Even a notorious ranter has posted -- with glee -- stats supposedly showing how DU's readership (or whatever the term is) has fallen off. A couple of her OPs were hidden and/or locked recently... posts whining about DU. Then the whole *victim* thing starts. What's the agenda? "White liberals suck?" We've already got Ann Coulter for that... why are supposed Democrats bringing it to this site?

The more I think about this, the more it seems to be some sort of *revenge* for "useless white supremacist liberals" telling "Bow Down Bernie" #BLM to stuff it. Were you online that weekend? It was, for me, the most intense I've ever seen DU (but I've only been here since 2013).

As asked elsewhere... who gains? Where's the police report?

If I'm wrong about the letter, I'll admit it.

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Use your head. Please. [View all] MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 OP

I agree. Discussionist anyone? Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #1

It is the logical first place to start, as fucking with DUers is apparently a pastime there. arcane1 Sep 2015 #38

The thing is, how would the dumbasses on Discussionist Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #61

From what I've read, this person apparently exposed their real name and location in some posts arcane1 Sep 2015 #65

Yeah, that would do it. Bubzer Sep 2015 #71

Well, there's a lesson there Android3.14 Sep 2015 #262

That is why on every post about this I have encouraged people to take a look at how much davidpdx Sep 2015 #396

Good reminder. Android3.14 Sep 2015 #404

Facebook recently changed all of that and made it supposedly easier to do, but actually they davidpdx Sep 2015 #406

Facebook keeps telling me to tell it where I went to HS.... fat chance nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #487

They do try to get you to add as much information as possible davidpdx Sep 2015 #519

Irrelevant. There is no excuse for what happened. blackspade Sep 2015 #481

+10000000000000000000000000000000000 nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #492

I agree. I was talking about the "how" not blaming anyone. arcane1 Sep 2015 #516

There are 20 ways to Sunday you might have exposed who you are nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #493

Of course not. The only blame goes to the person who wrote the letters. arcane1 Sep 2015 #517

My guess would be it would have to be somone who knows Bravenak's real name.... Bubzer Sep 2015 #70

BINGO!!!! nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #74

Exactly right! Bubzer Sep 2015 #109

DUers are still linking to her social media that contains all the info one would need. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #194

You want to shake your head nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #534

how would the dumbasses..... know how to get this person's actual mailing address AlbertCat Sep 2015 #381

My first thought... N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2015 #303

Someone Seeking Attention Roy Rolling Sep 2015 #305

never been to discussionist Doctor_J Sep 2015 #384

I agree with this 100%. Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #2

Yep. And one specific organized board. That Bravenak was targeted sickens me. I hope she is ok. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #4

what happened with Bravenak? I hadn't heard...did she get threats? CTyankee Sep 2015 #101

Yes sarge43 Sep 2015 #330

scary stuff. wow. CTyankee Sep 2015 #335

"The stuff hit the propellers." Yep, and DUers ran with it. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #489

I do not agree. Texasgal Sep 2015 #3

DU just went through its' own racial skirmish following the netroots nation BLM protest. jeepers Sep 2015 #9

Not even a republican, DU does not register that badly nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #11

IS DU too small to warrant investing paid subversive(s)? Real question here. Hortensis Sep 2015 #112

This place used to be read by House staffers nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #249

Thanks, Nadin. Hortensis Sep 2015 #253

That could be another option. Someone who either jwirr Sep 2015 #21

+1000 blackspade Sep 2015 #482

It's got "Cave" written all over it. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #5

I'm not sure they'd even need an account at DU. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #6

True. But appears many get their jollies from trolling. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #7

Some of them are FORMER DU'ers who were PPRed and have more vendettas nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #12

I really wish we could tap their rage. Limitless, renewable energy. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #14

adopt an angry person and I don't have to pay the power company nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #17

I don't think you would - when I am not signed it I jwirr Sep 2015 #26

Nope they can just lurk here without joining. totodeinhere Sep 2015 #58

I lurked for years before joining dorkzilla Sep 2015 #105

"Cave"? Do not understand? jwirr Sep 2015 #23

Conservative Cave LittleBlue Sep 2015 #32

Thank you. And no I try to stay away from that kind jwirr Sep 2015 #41

Do yourself a favor and stay away from it. AngryOldDem Sep 2015 #100

Yeah we do that with a lot of subjects IMO. We want jwirr Sep 2015 #202

Yeah, I just went on there, and they were actually naming some of the people PatrickforO Sep 2015 #88

That's super creepy. romanic Sep 2015 #245

Now that is off the rails Android3.14 Sep 2015 #264

Conservative Cave. They're obsessed with DU. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #35

Thank you. I can imagine what they are saying. They jwirr Sep 2015 #43

I didn't either, until I learned about CC here at DU. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #51

They got a lovely file on me nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #53

They do indeed. When I first went over to read them cwydro Sep 2015 #72

I just live with it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #73

Well, hey, it's flattering in a way lol! cwydro Sep 2015 #76

I "won" a few awards there nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #77

I haven't explored a lot there, so I didn't know they have awards !(?) cwydro Sep 2015 #79

More than a few nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #81

Well, I used to be a real spelunker back in my college days so cwydro Sep 2015 #83

Don't forget to make sure your line is in good shape nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #84

and by all means Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #285

And a HAZMAT suit n/t sarge43 Sep 2015 #332

If I were investigating the stalking of Bravenak I think jwirr Sep 2015 #193

And some of their members are currently here nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #278

And this is not the only place they are watching us. Curmudgeoness Sep 2015 #333

Yup, I remember, before leaving the group nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #342

That would make me a bit edgy kenfrequed Sep 2015 #282

It used to bother me. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #286

Must be nice to feel loved davidpdx Sep 2015 #397

Well, dime on the dollar they got one on Bravenack nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #424

Their threads on the subject ARE just full of smug. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #95

Yep. They are the ones who go to the effort of figuring out treestar Sep 2015 #111

I doubt it. They're too busy fucking goats. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #195

Heh. OK, then, howzabout Spamdan, Smartypants, et al.? SMC22307 Sep 2015 #256

It's been said that they fuck dead goats too. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #291

Any goat fucked by the CC creeps would commit suicide (goats have standards), sarge43 Sep 2015 #329

I agree. pacalo Sep 2015 #383

at this point , I do not care DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #8

and Kim Davis was a 'Democrat'. Either way, the person who sent it is crazy... whoever they are tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #10

Thanks for the post, and for bvf Sep 2015 #13

Your friend William of Ockham points and laughs. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #15

And which scenario would that be? n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #18

The one that uses the evidence at hand. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #20

Yours requires assuming that only DU members can see posts on DU. jeff47 Sep 2015 #22

Nope. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #34

No, there's lots more evidence. jeff47 Sep 2015 #137

If one believe's it *is* the case, that's also an assumption MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #143

I went round-and-round with this guy earlier Android3.14 Sep 2015 #273

Why do we assume that logic is logical? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #277

That's not an assumption about the letter. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #322

So your evidence is what someone says in a letter. Rex Sep 2015 #313

That's known information? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #24

Yep. It the ONLY information. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #36

You are forgetting one piece of critical information nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #67

"Who benefits?" sarge43 Sep 2015 #336

well there is occam and his razor but some things not asked azurnoir Sep 2015 #62

Lots of possibilities, but no way to tell. Some have made up their minds. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #494

So you believe a cadre of DU Bernie supporters conspired to threaten and harass whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #25

If you mean cadre OF supporters, then no. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #29

Well you made note of the "We" in the message whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #31

It's relative to "DU Member". OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #39

Uh huh... whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #40

Glad I could help. (n/t) OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #46

Another assumption. merrily Sep 2015 #304

Could be a royal 'we'... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #362

Ha, I suppose it could be whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #365

So much drama: Time-out, Thom Hartmann, SMC22307 Sep 2015 #45

They take the word 'loser' to a level most humans would be ashamed of. Rex Sep 2015 #314

Since when is the contents of an anonymous letter evidence, other snagglepuss Sep 2015 #222

heehee. I knew it! I've always believed, Elvis. Zorra Sep 2015 #505

I'm not sure that's functionally different. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #19

Your Razor is a bit dull when you assume that somebody that despicable mhatrw Sep 2015 #59

He said that it should be selected first when attempting to solve a problem. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #246

agreed entirely. entirely. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #16

The fact that someone wrote this in the name of a DU member is disturbing. Raine1967 Sep 2015 #27

For the record, LWolf Sep 2015 #57

Me too, LWolf, all of it. Hortensis Sep 2015 #117

that makes too much sense hfojvt Sep 2015 #28

I agree-- the alert record there could be elucidating. /nt Marr Sep 2015 #47

The letter plays right into the... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #48

well I guess he would know, hfojvt Sep 2015 #55

I've recused myself from jury duty lately... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #78

I highly doubt it was a Bernie supporter jfern Sep 2015 #87

Transparency would alleviate concerns about the jury system. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #378

I must be one of the very few who doesn't have major concerns about the jury system. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #390

Also very interesting.... davidpdx Sep 2015 #400

I'm pretty impressed with how even-keeled and neutral/fair he seems to be. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #415

I was and I know exactly who you are talking about davidpdx Sep 2015 #518

That is true, they overlap nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #425

Well I have offered to others if anyone is willing to start an informal group davidpdx Sep 2015 #515

Thanks for posting that davidpdx Sep 2015 #398

From ATA, this Skinner post re: hides is dated 09/11/15. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #418

Ok what site watches DU to the point that they know what happens on DU better than most DU'ers do nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #56

What you're missing is that there have been numerous threads detailing snagglepuss Sep 2015 #227

I am not really missing that hfojvt Sep 2015 #247

I saw the post but did not read the letter. zeemike Sep 2015 #30

Here ya go, amigo. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #89

Well thanks, now I know what was said. zeemike Sep 2015 #107

K & R! SoapBox Sep 2015 #33

I think the trail should be followed and the full extent of the law applied Hydra Sep 2015 #37

Exactly. Nobody should be allowed to exploit this here. n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #50

that's already passive-aggressively happened, your last sentence. nt m-lekktor Sep 2015 #68

Critical thinking in an emotionally and racially charged situation. Yes please. pa28 Sep 2015 #42

It *could* be a rabid Sanders supporter. It could also be a Hillary supporter. It could Marr Sep 2015 #44

DUers have sent rape threats so who knows? Psycho criminals geek tragedy Sep 2015 #49

Most remarkable is the "threat" was.... ALERT STALKING! Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #52

You apparently stand with the letter writer. nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #92

Skinner explains the time outs and details how they can be avoided Autumn Sep 2015 #263

Can't believe it was zentrum Sep 2015 #54

Not for a minute did I think 840high Sep 2015 #60

I saved the letter to my hard drive and rotated it so I can read it HubertHeaver Sep 2015 #63

If they are military and active duty, up to their lower lips in fecal material sarge43 Sep 2015 #344

no...uh...fecal matter HubertHeaver Sep 2015 #364

It does have the odor sarge43 Sep 2015 #369

Whoever sent these, it's seriously fucked up. TDale313 Sep 2015 #64

thanks for sharing your concern bettyellen Sep 2015 #66

seems like there is a little concern about bravenak herself CreekDog Sep 2015 #85

Yea, he's right on top of this eh? leftofcool Sep 2015 #269

The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street frylock Sep 2015 #69

A winner is you! This episode is the epitome of what I believe the letters author wanted. nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #80

+1000, you nailed it! Nt Logical Sep 2015 #102

Thanks Barnaby! zappaman Sep 2015 #75

It seems like your primary concern here is that a Bernie Sanders' supporter is being blamed CreekDog Sep 2015 #82

The way certain "supporters" reacted to BLM... joshcryer Sep 2015 #86

Once again, the voice of reason. pnwmom Sep 2015 #98

Except this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened. jeff47 Sep 2015 #181

It's not the first time people have dissed the AA community here. joshcryer Sep 2015 #345

Josh I have been alert stalked nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #350

I've seen the bullying against you. joshcryer Sep 2015 #391

It is nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #423

It could very well be a Sanders supporter who is NOT a DUer davidpdx Sep 2015 #401

The writer had intimate knowledge of hidden posts. joshcryer Sep 2015 #402

I agree with you on the last part davidpdx Sep 2015 #405

The dox could've been second hand. joshcryer Sep 2015 #408

Ok, I see what you are saying davidpdx Sep 2015 #410

Yep. joshcryer Sep 2015 #411

I don't know about how high the number of AA posters being on suspension, but this was davidpdx Sep 2015 #412

stevenlesner posted a link... joshcryer Sep 2015 #414

"Sorry Skinner is just not equipped to make his analysis." SMC22307 Sep 2015 #431

I will nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #437

Ok, that could be why I didn't see it davidpdx Sep 2015 #514

No. Not really. The writer seems to be able to read other posters post on Bravenak suspension. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #495

A herd of jackalopes came through the lower forty and ate my cabbages this morning. Zorra Sep 2015 #90

mocking those who get stalked? and people actually argue DUers are above this kind of stalking.... bettyellen Sep 2015 #230

Did you really expect any better? leftofcool Sep 2015 #272

Pathetic and predictable leftofcool Sep 2015 #271

What else to expect from they who coined the term... joshcryer Sep 2015 #392

I've learned here that when someone mentions Occam's Razor lovemydog Sep 2015 #91

Ditto "cui bono" nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #93

That too. lovemydog Sep 2015 #94

Hah! n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #97

Or maybe, Occam's Razor, it was sent in a misguided attempt by a hostile person to shut Bravenak up pnwmom Sep 2015 #96

Occam's Razor isn't what people think it is. It increases in accuracy the more information you have. CJCRANE Sep 2015 #99

And what information is there that someone other than a DU Bernie supporter sent the letter? boston bean Sep 2015 #108

History. jeff47 Sep 2015 #183

That is not in evidence. The email sounds just like responses I've heard here from actual Bernie boston bean Sep 2015 #192

Neither is it in evidence that they are a DUer. jeff47 Sep 2015 #217

When the letter reads like posts I've read here on DU, and they talk about alert stalking her, I do boston bean Sep 2015 #218

Because it's utterly impossible to write similar things as a non-DUer? jeff47 Sep 2015 #220

Well, I guess it does say something that virtually the same thing was written here boston bean Sep 2015 #221

And I can cut-n-paste those posts without being a DUer. jeff47 Sep 2015 #228

uh huh, you could. but really want to go the conspiracy route versus what is plainly in view. boston bean Sep 2015 #229

There's more in plain view than the letter. jeff47 Sep 2015 #231

to bravenak? The plain view is her the similar treatment already meted out boston bean Sep 2015 #232

To other people, of various races and ideologies. Cavers have been stalking DUers for years. jeff47 Sep 2015 #241

I have considered all options and come to a conclusion. boston bean Sep 2015 #244

As have I. And I wanted to know why those differed jeff47 Sep 2015 #254

My considerations don't include conspiracy theories. I dismiss them outright. boston bean Sep 2015 #260

I hope to god that you are not in the legal profession. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #496

There's a similar example of a non-DUer sending a DUer harassing snail mail? OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #327

Folks from "The Cave" called someone's boss a few years ago jeff47 Sep 2015 #328

That's a no then? (n/t) OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #348

How about calling a hospital which prevented somebody from getting medical care nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #351

How about firing a severly ill employee and denying him health insurance? OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #354

You can search DU2 just as well as I can. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #368

Actually, no. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #370

Google doesn't care if you have a star. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #372

No, but DU does. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #373

You can cite such posts that sound like the letter? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #380

Really? bvar22 Sep 2015 #266

I believe the letter would be evidence, no? boston bean Sep 2015 #268

Bernie supporters warned bravenak directly on DU... grasswire Sep 2015 #361

Do you remember "Backwards B-Girl" Ashley Todd? CJCRANE Sep 2015 #190

yeah I do, and I don't think Bravenak sent herself the letters. boston bean Sep 2015 #203

I don't think you understood what you were told nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #280

I understood perfectly and you aren't the poster I was responding to. boston bean Sep 2015 #281

Thst is fine nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #287

You need to read the post I responded to, because your response here is making no sense. nt boston bean Sep 2015 #288

That's exactly what I think it is. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #251

She did not do it herself nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #284

Well, I disagree. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #295

What you are presenting here counsel nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #298

Check, except that Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #299

Wow. nt MrScorpio Sep 2015 #302

If you want to plant your flag there nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #308

Well I don't see what's to "blow". Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #309

I am not going to tell you what to think nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #311

I didn't think the thought pressure was from you. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #312

Some of us are doing some sleuthing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #315

It's nice of you to help. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #316

There is always something to be gained on the Internet... grasswire Sep 2015 #363

Sorry, as an actual victim of bullying on this site nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #366

Yes, we all know what happened to you.... grasswire Sep 2015 #375

There are many reasons why in this case nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #376

Do you ever get the sensation that nobody is listening to you? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #497

Nope nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #498

Was Andy the DUer that passed away in hospital? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #506

Yes, and it almost tore this place nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #507

The simplest explanation is that it was someone that wanted to cause disruption. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #257

Occam's Razor is often misused. He said that the simplest explanation should be rhett o rick Sep 2015 #258

Yup 9/10 this was some cave dork. Oneironaut Sep 2015 #103

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #104

You are too nice... "foolish and naive".. I prefer stupid conspiracy theory. nt boston bean Sep 2015 #106

The fact that SidDithers' post was hidden proves his point. yardwork Sep 2015 #115

Yup. 6-1, no less. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #118

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #122

Oh, wow. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #135

And this OP here is a response to that locked thread. boston bean Sep 2015 #136

Did your post say it's probable that a DU member sent the letters? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #147

Let's not beat around the bush here, this is exactly what I said: boston bean Sep 2015 #156

So you used inductive reasoning to make the case MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #162

I used occams razor as I was observing that people were crucifying it's meaning. boston bean Sep 2015 #169

You misused Occams razor. The simplest explanation is that the letter rhett o rick Sep 2015 #306

The letter itself says that, so how is it a violation of TOS to agree? yardwork Sep 2015 #172

What's "Grotesque" is the way he is using Bravenak for his own bullshit agenda. JTFrog Sep 2015 #206

I think it was a forum issue, not a TOS issue MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #250

I didn't read BB's OP as saying that. yardwork Sep 2015 #283

So what? What is the problem with that? yardwork Sep 2015 #160

No, I did not do that at all. MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #168

Mob behavior is facinating, no? nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #139

Wow. The cult of personality here is out of control. yardwork Sep 2015 #142

It doesn't reflect well Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #157

Hosts should be above this pettiness. yardwork Sep 2015 #158

I would be grateful if someone did, cause I don't have much luck with it. boston bean Sep 2015 #159

What's the procedure? yardwork Sep 2015 #161

I think it is to send an pm of appeal to the locking host or any host, I suppose. boston bean Sep 2015 #163

Well, I doubt the locking host would listen. yardwork Sep 2015 #164

LOL, maybe any host then. boston bean Sep 2015 #165

The OP has to petition to unlock... Agschmid Sep 2015 #223

I wrote to a GD host requesting a review. yardwork Sep 2015 #224

Consistency is very hard... Agschmid Sep 2015 #226

Ags, you sure about that? Sissyk Sep 2015 #317

I'm sorry let me correct myself. Agschmid Sep 2015 #318

Thank you! Sissyk Sep 2015 #321

. Rex Sep 2015 #338

lol! Sissyk Sep 2015 #367

You might also note I said in the previous post on this thread... Agschmid Sep 2015 #319

I didn't accuse you of playing games, Ags. Sissyk Sep 2015 #323

I was NOT a lock vote. Agschmid Sep 2015 #337

You may do as you wish! Sissyk Sep 2015 #346

You faux friendliness is noted. Agschmid Sep 2015 #347

Should be Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #178

some on DU loathe Sid, that's no secret steve2470 Sep 2015 #120

+1000 gollygee Sep 2015 #121

I guess I read it as an assumption that the letters really ARE from a Bernie supporter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #123

And calling one or more DUers "foolish and naive" MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #125

I'm wondering why your thread aint locked up for being meta. boston bean Sep 2015 #127

I believe the criterion is *disruptive* meta. MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #128

oh, yeah... LOL so say the 90% bernie supporting hosts. boston bean Sep 2015 #129

LOL! Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #149

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #208

Sid made the comment as an observation and I'm sure that contributed to the hide riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #130

What is offensive about stating it was a Bernie supporter. boston bean Sep 2015 #131

Because the letter is a despicable act. Assuming it's a Bernie supporter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #134

That's not what Sid said? Have you even read the post? yardwork Sep 2015 #154

Where did Sid say that? yardwork Sep 2015 #153

But not just any zombie... Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #289

Apparently that's how the troll identifies. yardwork Sep 2015 #290

And I think we agree Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #294

Of course. Trolling is never well-intentioned. yardwork Sep 2015 #296

Point being, why is that so offensive to some? boston bean Sep 2015 #126

Well, I find it offensive and so did 6 other DUers riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #132

I guess I won't get the answer as to why it is offensive. ok. boston bean Sep 2015 #133

I've already said why, several times. Sids assumption the letters from a Bernie supporter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #171

talking about a letter that comes from someone who states they are a bernie supporter boston bean Sep 2015 #173

You asked for a a fuller explanation on how I interpreted his post riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #184

Ok, that doesn't tell us why you find it offensive. yardwork Sep 2015 #148

He does say it riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #166

I don't read it that way at all. yardwork Sep 2015 #177

Now why on earth would someone make Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #140

Go Hillary!!!!! Autumn Sep 2015 #267

And?? Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #270

Why? That makes no sense to me. yardwork Sep 2015 #144

Obviously 6 other jurors read it the same as I did riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #145

It is offensive to observe that out of millions of people who support Bernie yardwork Sep 2015 #146

Sid assumes it's a DU that sent the letter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #179

That is what the letter states. That is the only evidence. boston bean Sep 2015 #196

there are huge multi million dollar companies designed to hurt liberals questionseverything Sep 2015 #379

That has me thinking nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #451

sure...not saying ever case is an op but to deny they exist is foolish too questionseverything Sep 2015 #453

The FBI and the DoD were also as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #458

Anyone who has served on MIRT, knows that Sid is right. zappaman Sep 2015 #186

Exactly. n/t JTFrog Sep 2015 #214

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #339

I agree, it very well could be a Sanders supporter who has been previously banned davidpdx Sep 2015 #403

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #215

I thought sid was one of the accounts of the owners of this forum, how could his post be hidden? randys1 Sep 2015 #234

Lol. Turns out he isn't actually Skinner. Agschmid Sep 2015 #340

Sure does. Proves a lot of things. leftofcool Sep 2015 #275

Long live the conspiracy! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #499

I agree, Manny. I believe it was someone that feels they benefit from dividing us. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #110

Yep, and I'm seriously wondering if the person succeeded in doing that davidpdx Sep 2015 #407

I am not assuming it came from DU. Rex Sep 2015 #113

This should not be your biggest concern treestar Sep 2015 #114

Agreed nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #116

Since SidDithers's post was hidden, I'm going to repeat the message here. yardwork Sep 2015 #119

Absolutely. I recently read the comments on a local news page about BLM PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #138

There you go. Crazies come in all kinds of combinations. yardwork Sep 2015 #216

I don't consider those "supporters" "supporters." joshcryer Sep 2015 #409

Spot on. zappaman Sep 2015 #426

exactly, they were posting the same disgusting shit about race and other issues JI7 Sep 2015 #501

you nailed it steve2470 Sep 2015 #520

Continue maintaining the pretense that only one reason exists. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #124

There are several equally plausible hypotheses here Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #141

Now you're going to get it. Probably get your post hidden. yardwork Sep 2015 #150

I know. The Sanders supporters I know IRL aren't like that. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #152

Same here. This is nothing about Sanders. yardwork Sep 2015 #155

Well, the issue isn't just about the letter itself, it's also about the politicization of it. Maedhros Sep 2015 #353

I am not a supporter of Sanders nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #445

I'm 100% sure it was a Clinton supporter using it to smear Bernie supporters. Zorra Sep 2015 #174

The only way you could be 100% sure is if you know who sent them Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #180

The sustained pattern has made this predictable, and not surprising, Zorra Sep 2015 #187

You're 100% sure? lovemydog Sep 2015 #459

Says the poster who coined the term "race nagging" zappaman Sep 2015 #465

You must know who sent it to be that 100 percent sure nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #466

Oh, please...if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and has webbed feet, Zorra Sep 2015 #513

I forgot you're the one who said "race nagging" steve2470 Sep 2015 #468

You didn't forget, and it's really not my problem when som people here have difficulty Zorra Sep 2015 #511

Not worth your time... Agschmid Sep 2015 #527

I agree nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #528

You're leaving out an important bit of history. jeff47 Sep 2015 #185

That would be one of the sites obsessed with DU. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #189

The cavers have contacted DUers IRL. jeff47 Sep 2015 #198

So that makes them as source an equally plausible theory Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #201

The most obvious explanation is what is in evidence. The letter states they are a member of DU. boston bean Sep 2015 #204

Which is why the insistence of some that it couldn't be from a DU Sanders supporter is silly. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #210

Many of them do believe a Bernie supporting Duer did it. They think Bravenak sent herself the boston bean Sep 2015 #211

Many comes down to 2... yeah technically that is many nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #485

Because people don't lie. jeff47 Sep 2015 #212

the letter writer claims he is, and I believe what he says, because as I have already stated to you boston bean Sep 2015 #225

Why would you believe a cowardly letter writer Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #293

I'm sure this letter writer would never lie! Chemisse Sep 2015 #360

IMHO, I believe that your line of reasoning is two-dimensional and that you are out of your depth. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #502

Frank Zappa is not above the law, as you imply MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #504

I firmly do not believe that Frank Zappa has the ability to compose anything, let alone this letter R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #508

Fact: there is no proof that time must travel forward MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #537

Andy Stephens comes to mind immediately. riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #200

One caver followed like a puppy to East County Magazine nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #446

How does Occams Razor lead to a Bernie supporter? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #382

Because the letter declares the writer as a Sanders supporter. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #389

And you believe the letter writer? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #393

I don't want to think it was a Sanders supporter tularetom Sep 2015 #151

Initially, I thought no way was it a Sanders supporter... LannyDeVaney Sep 2015 #167

I think it was a Sanders supporter gollygee Sep 2015 #170

an obvious conclusion if you ask me. And I applaud you for daring to state boston bean Sep 2015 #176

The bullying and alert stalking in the AA forum leads me to agree. yardwork Sep 2015 #182

It seems quite a few Sanders supporters agree with you and are doing damage control- This OP... bettyellen Sep 2015 #235

Yea, like the person who used the term "race nagger" leftofcool Sep 2015 #300

Manny, which of your personas wrote this OP? JoePhilly Sep 2015 #175

Best comment in this thread. GitRDun Sep 2015 #238

*mic drop* JTFrog Sep 2015 #248

And there you have it. nt msanthrope Sep 2015 #399

Thank you. raven mad Sep 2015 #188

Who remembers "Backwards B-Girl" Ashley Todd? CJCRANE Sep 2015 #191

The implication that bravenak faked this letter is ridiculous and offensive. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #197

Somehow that flies right over peoples head when making these comparisons and claims. boston bean Sep 2015 #199

Posting a police report would silence all doubt once and for all. Zorra Sep 2015 #213

^^^This^^^ is a very good recommendation. eom NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #352

RECommended nt FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #377

Excellent idea -- posting the police report! SMC22307 Sep 2015 #386

You said upthread that you're '100% sure' lovemydog Sep 2015 #462

Ugly counselor nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #464

WTF are you even talking about? A police report is not street cred. Zorra Sep 2015 #500

Suggesting that she did it is... one might even use two words here: IMPLICIT BIAS nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #503

You're skirting the issue in circles. All I suggested was that the simple posting of a police report Zorra Sep 2015 #510

Have you ever filed a police report? I have nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #522

lol. I've seen many police reports. Sorry nadin, but victims of crimes/plaintiffs get free copies of Zorra Sep 2015 #535

Actually no, not really nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #536

Completely agree, an excellent idea. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #512

What a crock of shit. Agschmid Sep 2015 #529

Occam's razor merrily Sep 2015 #205

There is no way to confirm who sent the letter, so our responses are based on our preconceptions. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #207

Indeed. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2015 #240

+100000000 navarth Sep 2015 #349

Please, in the African American Group several Bernie Sanders supporters KittyWampus Sep 2015 #209

Exactly right Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #219

It's almost as if a Bernie supporter never used the term "race nagging" seaglass Sep 2015 #236

or told black du members they were race baiting.. boston bean Sep 2015 #239

It is sad that DU allows such crap. riversedge Sep 2015 #455

This place allows blatant racism nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #460

"community standards" nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #470

"P.S. I alerted this thread as Meta" Android3.14 Sep 2015 #357

Objecting to the Meta nature and its violation of Terms of Service KittyWampus Sep 2015 #359

Having served as a host, I can tell you that some DUers will never get a thread lock. zappaman Sep 2015 #509

Yep Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #526

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #530

Jury results: Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #233

I agree with juror #4 840high Sep 2015 #255

"Parlock stunt." Interesting. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2015 #450

And the lies and attacks of Hillary by MSM and GOP and DU continue and there is no randys1 Sep 2015 #237

Bravo! yardwork Sep 2015 #243

I think it was a Sander's supporter from this site. Not 100% sure, of course. nt LexVegas Sep 2015 #242

let's look at all the THEORETICAL possibilities steve2470 Sep 2015 #252

Here are the questions we played nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #292

The payout is that we are all arguing with one another instead of paying attention to other, Maedhros Sep 2015 #355

Take it a tad further nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #356

Color me skeptical. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #259

Yes it is. 840high Sep 2015 #279

Exactly. Android3.14 Sep 2015 #261

This could be anything including Kafkatrapping. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #265

I had a DU member actually call my employer and threaten to sue. L0oniX Sep 2015 #274

Seamstress stalker? Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #276

But Manny, who would you never, never, expect to rob a bank wearing a Nixon mask? Nixon, of course. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #297

A battle of wits gollygee Sep 2015 #301

That's a pretty fun clip. Thanks. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #320

You know what's weird? FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #307

That's not personal information gollygee Sep 2015 #310

It is weird. I'm not 840high Sep 2015 #324

It always stems from politics in one way or another. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #326

I agree. Only a right wing troll who stood to gain by damaging Bernie's campaign would GoneFishin Sep 2015 #325

"voluntarily declare himself a Sanders supporter" NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #358

I'm with you. This declaring himself as a Sanders supporter seems too obvious. historylovr Sep 2015 #417

The culprit is usually identifiable by examinimg NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #421

No, nor do I. historylovr Sep 2015 #435

Good thought. I am not 840high Sep 2015 #488

What also doesn't fit is that they seem to think the jury system works to their advantage. Check out Chathamization Sep 2015 #413

Absolutely no doubt in my mind marym625 Sep 2015 #331

And since it worked *this* time... MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #334

YUP!!!! nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #343

Unfortunately, you're probably right. marym625 Sep 2015 #374

Mind if I borrow the "feed the troll" phrase for something? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #385

I can't take credit for that phrase, though I wish I could. marym625 Sep 2015 #387

Agreed. hifiguy Sep 2015 #341

this thread has been comedy gold... KG Sep 2015 #371

I think you are right. ozone_man Sep 2015 #388

There is that possibility. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #394

Where's Poirot when we need him? SMC22307 Sep 2015 #419

DU's owners could stop the speculation around alert stalking by releasing statistics JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #395

EarlG: "The problem is perception, not the reality of the situation" SMC22307 Sep 2015 #416

they are blind to the problem, I see it clear as day nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #422

You're seeing what you want to see. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2015 #434

tell that to PoC in AA forum... so we disagree nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #436

DUers sent on time-out are a mixed bag racially. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #442

I don't keep track of the alerts, except for the regulars in AA steve2470 Sep 2015 #444

Let's have a look, shall we? SMC22307 Sep 2015 #447

we disagree about alerts steve2470 Sep 2015 #448

Using your logic, if an INDIVIDUAL Hillary supporter is called something like... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #449

Bravenak sure caught your attention, didn't she? Number23 Sep 2015 #454

LOL, let's read between the lines... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #457

Wasn't even thinking of suggesting that. But how remarkable that this is immediately where Number23 Sep 2015 #473

I don't believe you. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #474

I genuinely couldn't care less. Number23 Sep 2015 #475

I'm crushed. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2015 #476

Very telling. MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #479

I have been alert stalked and bullied as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #439

That's your opinion. 840high Sep 2015 #490

yep and they are still blind... go ask the PoC... not just my opinion nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #491

People of Color are being alert-stalked steve2470 Sep 2015 #420

One look at the AA forum zappaman Sep 2015 #427

oh I'm pretty confident there will be an attempt steve2470 Sep 2015 #428

I wouldn't be surprised either. zappaman Sep 2015 #429

hope you guys get more gentle rain in LA and in California! nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #430

Gentle? zappaman Sep 2015 #432

ah, going to read now nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #433

+ 1000 orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #478

Not from me nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #440

you've been alert stalked, for sure steve2470 Sep 2015 #441

They partially got the desired result nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #443

I'm not sure Occam's Razor says that... HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #438

The mass media model, which legitimizes national myth and sets agendas, has crapped. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #452

UGH DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #456

I have not read the letter. What was the crime? nt Logical Sep 2015 #461

You are actually comparing what happened at Charlestown nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #463

YES DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #467

Let me clue you in as to what will happen with this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #469

A humble retort DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #471

Fully agreed... I just also know nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #472

HER and one other person are on my ignore list, I don't have time for childish antics, did someone orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #477

I still think it is a DUer. blackspade Sep 2015 #480

were heaven05 and giftedgirl timedout too ? never mind, looked it up, wow...sigh steve2470 Sep 2015 #483

Sigh indeed. blackspade Sep 2015 #484

yep they were, and there's no alert-stalking, um, yea, right! nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #486

EarlG on 8/31/15: "....more than 99.5% of all posts are never alerted on." SMC22307 Sep 2015 #523

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #521

you are so wrong. Good day nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #524

Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT. mia Sep 2015 #532

That was ugly and I do hope this poster is NOT a lawyer nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #533

Better get working on a good seat... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #525

. Agschmid Sep 2015 #531

The outside agitators you want to blame aren't the ones alert-stalking non-Bernie supporters. stevenleser Sep 2015 #538