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R. Daneel Olivaw

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502. IMHO, I believe that your line of reasoning is two-dimensional and that you are out of your depth.

Reply to boston bean (Reply #225)

Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:46 AM

Sep 2015

You believe an anonymous letter writer?

What if s/he they had signed it Frank Zappa?

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Use your head. Please. [View all] MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 OP

I agree. Discussionist anyone? Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #1

It is the logical first place to start, as fucking with DUers is apparently a pastime there. arcane1 Sep 2015 #38

The thing is, how would the dumbasses on Discussionist Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #61

From what I've read, this person apparently exposed their real name and location in some posts arcane1 Sep 2015 #65

Yeah, that would do it. Bubzer Sep 2015 #71

Well, there's a lesson there Android3.14 Sep 2015 #262

That is why on every post about this I have encouraged people to take a look at how much davidpdx Sep 2015 #396

Good reminder. Android3.14 Sep 2015 #404

Facebook recently changed all of that and made it supposedly easier to do, but actually they davidpdx Sep 2015 #406

Facebook keeps telling me to tell it where I went to HS.... fat chance nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #487

They do try to get you to add as much information as possible davidpdx Sep 2015 #519

Irrelevant. There is no excuse for what happened. blackspade Sep 2015 #481

+10000000000000000000000000000000000 nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #492

I agree. I was talking about the "how" not blaming anyone. arcane1 Sep 2015 #516

There are 20 ways to Sunday you might have exposed who you are nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #493

Of course not. The only blame goes to the person who wrote the letters. arcane1 Sep 2015 #517

My guess would be it would have to be somone who knows Bravenak's real name.... Bubzer Sep 2015 #70

BINGO!!!! nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #74

Exactly right! Bubzer Sep 2015 #109

DUers are still linking to her social media that contains all the info one would need. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #194

You want to shake your head nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #534

how would the dumbasses..... know how to get this person's actual mailing address AlbertCat Sep 2015 #381

My first thought... N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2015 #303

Someone Seeking Attention Roy Rolling Sep 2015 #305

never been to discussionist Doctor_J Sep 2015 #384

I agree with this 100%. Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #2

Yep. And one specific organized board. That Bravenak was targeted sickens me. I hope she is ok. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #4

what happened with Bravenak? I hadn't heard...did she get threats? CTyankee Sep 2015 #101

Yes sarge43 Sep 2015 #330

scary stuff. wow. CTyankee Sep 2015 #335

"The stuff hit the propellers." Yep, and DUers ran with it. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #489

I do not agree. Texasgal Sep 2015 #3

DU just went through its' own racial skirmish following the netroots nation BLM protest. jeepers Sep 2015 #9

Not even a republican, DU does not register that badly nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #11

IS DU too small to warrant investing paid subversive(s)? Real question here. Hortensis Sep 2015 #112

This place used to be read by House staffers nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #249

Thanks, Nadin. Hortensis Sep 2015 #253

That could be another option. Someone who either jwirr Sep 2015 #21

+1000 blackspade Sep 2015 #482

It's got "Cave" written all over it. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #5

I'm not sure they'd even need an account at DU. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #6

True. But appears many get their jollies from trolling. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #7

Some of them are FORMER DU'ers who were PPRed and have more vendettas nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #12

I really wish we could tap their rage. Limitless, renewable energy. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #14

adopt an angry person and I don't have to pay the power company nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #17

I don't think you would - when I am not signed it I jwirr Sep 2015 #26

Nope they can just lurk here without joining. totodeinhere Sep 2015 #58

I lurked for years before joining dorkzilla Sep 2015 #105

"Cave"? Do not understand? jwirr Sep 2015 #23

Conservative Cave LittleBlue Sep 2015 #32

Thank you. And no I try to stay away from that kind jwirr Sep 2015 #41

Do yourself a favor and stay away from it. AngryOldDem Sep 2015 #100

Yeah we do that with a lot of subjects IMO. We want jwirr Sep 2015 #202

Yeah, I just went on there, and they were actually naming some of the people PatrickforO Sep 2015 #88

That's super creepy. romanic Sep 2015 #245

Now that is off the rails Android3.14 Sep 2015 #264

Conservative Cave. They're obsessed with DU. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #35

Thank you. I can imagine what they are saying. They jwirr Sep 2015 #43

I didn't either, until I learned about CC here at DU. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #51

They got a lovely file on me nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #53

They do indeed. When I first went over to read them cwydro Sep 2015 #72

I just live with it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #73

Well, hey, it's flattering in a way lol! cwydro Sep 2015 #76

I "won" a few awards there nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #77

I haven't explored a lot there, so I didn't know they have awards !(?) cwydro Sep 2015 #79

More than a few nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #81

Well, I used to be a real spelunker back in my college days so cwydro Sep 2015 #83

Don't forget to make sure your line is in good shape nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #84

and by all means Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #285

And a HAZMAT suit n/t sarge43 Sep 2015 #332

If I were investigating the stalking of Bravenak I think jwirr Sep 2015 #193

And some of their members are currently here nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #278

And this is not the only place they are watching us. Curmudgeoness Sep 2015 #333

Yup, I remember, before leaving the group nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #342

That would make me a bit edgy kenfrequed Sep 2015 #282

It used to bother me. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #286

Must be nice to feel loved davidpdx Sep 2015 #397

Well, dime on the dollar they got one on Bravenack nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #424

Their threads on the subject ARE just full of smug. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #95

Yep. They are the ones who go to the effort of figuring out treestar Sep 2015 #111

I doubt it. They're too busy fucking goats. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #195

Heh. OK, then, howzabout Spamdan, Smartypants, et al.? SMC22307 Sep 2015 #256

It's been said that they fuck dead goats too. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #291

Any goat fucked by the CC creeps would commit suicide (goats have standards), sarge43 Sep 2015 #329

I agree. pacalo Sep 2015 #383

at this point , I do not care DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #8

and Kim Davis was a 'Democrat'. Either way, the person who sent it is crazy... whoever they are tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #10

Thanks for the post, and for bvf Sep 2015 #13

Your friend William of Ockham points and laughs. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #15

And which scenario would that be? n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #18

The one that uses the evidence at hand. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #20

Yours requires assuming that only DU members can see posts on DU. jeff47 Sep 2015 #22

Nope. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #34

No, there's lots more evidence. jeff47 Sep 2015 #137

If one believe's it *is* the case, that's also an assumption MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #143

I went round-and-round with this guy earlier Android3.14 Sep 2015 #273

Why do we assume that logic is logical? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #277

That's not an assumption about the letter. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #322

So your evidence is what someone says in a letter. Rex Sep 2015 #313

That's known information? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #24

Yep. It the ONLY information. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #36

You are forgetting one piece of critical information nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #67

"Who benefits?" sarge43 Sep 2015 #336

well there is occam and his razor but some things not asked azurnoir Sep 2015 #62

Lots of possibilities, but no way to tell. Some have made up their minds. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #494

So you believe a cadre of DU Bernie supporters conspired to threaten and harass whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #25

If you mean cadre OF supporters, then no. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #29

Well you made note of the "We" in the message whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #31

It's relative to "DU Member". OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #39

Uh huh... whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #40

Glad I could help. (n/t) OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #46

Another assumption. merrily Sep 2015 #304

Could be a royal 'we'... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #362

Ha, I suppose it could be whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #365

So much drama: Time-out, Thom Hartmann, SMC22307 Sep 2015 #45

They take the word 'loser' to a level most humans would be ashamed of. Rex Sep 2015 #314

Since when is the contents of an anonymous letter evidence, other snagglepuss Sep 2015 #222

heehee. I knew it! I've always believed, Elvis. Zorra Sep 2015 #505

I'm not sure that's functionally different. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #19

Your Razor is a bit dull when you assume that somebody that despicable mhatrw Sep 2015 #59

He said that it should be selected first when attempting to solve a problem. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #246

agreed entirely. entirely. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #16

The fact that someone wrote this in the name of a DU member is disturbing. Raine1967 Sep 2015 #27

For the record, LWolf Sep 2015 #57

Me too, LWolf, all of it. Hortensis Sep 2015 #117

that makes too much sense hfojvt Sep 2015 #28

I agree-- the alert record there could be elucidating. /nt Marr Sep 2015 #47

The letter plays right into the... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #48

well I guess he would know, hfojvt Sep 2015 #55

I've recused myself from jury duty lately... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #78

I highly doubt it was a Bernie supporter jfern Sep 2015 #87

Transparency would alleviate concerns about the jury system. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #378

I must be one of the very few who doesn't have major concerns about the jury system. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #390

Also very interesting.... davidpdx Sep 2015 #400

I'm pretty impressed with how even-keeled and neutral/fair he seems to be. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #415

I was and I know exactly who you are talking about davidpdx Sep 2015 #518

That is true, they overlap nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #425

Well I have offered to others if anyone is willing to start an informal group davidpdx Sep 2015 #515

Thanks for posting that davidpdx Sep 2015 #398

From ATA, this Skinner post re: hides is dated 09/11/15. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #418

Ok what site watches DU to the point that they know what happens on DU better than most DU'ers do nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #56

What you're missing is that there have been numerous threads detailing snagglepuss Sep 2015 #227

I am not really missing that hfojvt Sep 2015 #247

I saw the post but did not read the letter. zeemike Sep 2015 #30

Here ya go, amigo. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #89

Well thanks, now I know what was said. zeemike Sep 2015 #107

K & R! SoapBox Sep 2015 #33

I think the trail should be followed and the full extent of the law applied Hydra Sep 2015 #37

Exactly. Nobody should be allowed to exploit this here. n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #50

that's already passive-aggressively happened, your last sentence. nt m-lekktor Sep 2015 #68

Critical thinking in an emotionally and racially charged situation. Yes please. pa28 Sep 2015 #42

It *could* be a rabid Sanders supporter. It could also be a Hillary supporter. It could Marr Sep 2015 #44

DUers have sent rape threats so who knows? Psycho criminals geek tragedy Sep 2015 #49

Most remarkable is the "threat" was.... ALERT STALKING! Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #52

You apparently stand with the letter writer. nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #92

Skinner explains the time outs and details how they can be avoided Autumn Sep 2015 #263

Can't believe it was zentrum Sep 2015 #54

Not for a minute did I think 840high Sep 2015 #60

I saved the letter to my hard drive and rotated it so I can read it HubertHeaver Sep 2015 #63

If they are military and active duty, up to their lower lips in fecal material sarge43 Sep 2015 #344

no...uh...fecal matter HubertHeaver Sep 2015 #364

It does have the odor sarge43 Sep 2015 #369

Whoever sent these, it's seriously fucked up. TDale313 Sep 2015 #64

thanks for sharing your concern bettyellen Sep 2015 #66

seems like there is a little concern about bravenak herself CreekDog Sep 2015 #85

Yea, he's right on top of this eh? leftofcool Sep 2015 #269

The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street frylock Sep 2015 #69

A winner is you! This episode is the epitome of what I believe the letters author wanted. nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #80

+1000, you nailed it! Nt Logical Sep 2015 #102

Thanks Barnaby! zappaman Sep 2015 #75

It seems like your primary concern here is that a Bernie Sanders' supporter is being blamed CreekDog Sep 2015 #82

The way certain "supporters" reacted to BLM... joshcryer Sep 2015 #86

Once again, the voice of reason. pnwmom Sep 2015 #98

Except this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened. jeff47 Sep 2015 #181

It's not the first time people have dissed the AA community here. joshcryer Sep 2015 #345

Josh I have been alert stalked nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #350

I've seen the bullying against you. joshcryer Sep 2015 #391

It is nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #423

It could very well be a Sanders supporter who is NOT a DUer davidpdx Sep 2015 #401

The writer had intimate knowledge of hidden posts. joshcryer Sep 2015 #402

I agree with you on the last part davidpdx Sep 2015 #405

The dox could've been second hand. joshcryer Sep 2015 #408

Ok, I see what you are saying davidpdx Sep 2015 #410

Yep. joshcryer Sep 2015 #411

I don't know about how high the number of AA posters being on suspension, but this was davidpdx Sep 2015 #412

stevenlesner posted a link... joshcryer Sep 2015 #414

"Sorry Skinner is just not equipped to make his analysis." SMC22307 Sep 2015 #431

I will nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #437

Ok, that could be why I didn't see it davidpdx Sep 2015 #514

No. Not really. The writer seems to be able to read other posters post on Bravenak suspension. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #495

A herd of jackalopes came through the lower forty and ate my cabbages this morning. Zorra Sep 2015 #90

mocking those who get stalked? and people actually argue DUers are above this kind of stalking.... bettyellen Sep 2015 #230

Did you really expect any better? leftofcool Sep 2015 #272

Pathetic and predictable leftofcool Sep 2015 #271

What else to expect from they who coined the term... joshcryer Sep 2015 #392

I've learned here that when someone mentions Occam's Razor lovemydog Sep 2015 #91

Ditto "cui bono" nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #93

That too. lovemydog Sep 2015 #94

Hah! n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #97

Or maybe, Occam's Razor, it was sent in a misguided attempt by a hostile person to shut Bravenak up pnwmom Sep 2015 #96

Occam's Razor isn't what people think it is. It increases in accuracy the more information you have. CJCRANE Sep 2015 #99

And what information is there that someone other than a DU Bernie supporter sent the letter? boston bean Sep 2015 #108

History. jeff47 Sep 2015 #183

That is not in evidence. The email sounds just like responses I've heard here from actual Bernie boston bean Sep 2015 #192

Neither is it in evidence that they are a DUer. jeff47 Sep 2015 #217

When the letter reads like posts I've read here on DU, and they talk about alert stalking her, I do boston bean Sep 2015 #218

Because it's utterly impossible to write similar things as a non-DUer? jeff47 Sep 2015 #220

Well, I guess it does say something that virtually the same thing was written here boston bean Sep 2015 #221

And I can cut-n-paste those posts without being a DUer. jeff47 Sep 2015 #228

uh huh, you could. but really want to go the conspiracy route versus what is plainly in view. boston bean Sep 2015 #229

There's more in plain view than the letter. jeff47 Sep 2015 #231

to bravenak? The plain view is her the similar treatment already meted out boston bean Sep 2015 #232

To other people, of various races and ideologies. Cavers have been stalking DUers for years. jeff47 Sep 2015 #241

I have considered all options and come to a conclusion. boston bean Sep 2015 #244

As have I. And I wanted to know why those differed jeff47 Sep 2015 #254

My considerations don't include conspiracy theories. I dismiss them outright. boston bean Sep 2015 #260

I hope to god that you are not in the legal profession. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #496

There's a similar example of a non-DUer sending a DUer harassing snail mail? OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #327

Folks from "The Cave" called someone's boss a few years ago jeff47 Sep 2015 #328

That's a no then? (n/t) OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #348

How about calling a hospital which prevented somebody from getting medical care nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #351

How about firing a severly ill employee and denying him health insurance? OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #354

You can search DU2 just as well as I can. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #368

Actually, no. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #370

Google doesn't care if you have a star. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #372

No, but DU does. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #373

You can cite such posts that sound like the letter? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #380

Really? bvar22 Sep 2015 #266

I believe the letter would be evidence, no? boston bean Sep 2015 #268

Bernie supporters warned bravenak directly on DU... grasswire Sep 2015 #361

Do you remember "Backwards B-Girl" Ashley Todd? CJCRANE Sep 2015 #190

yeah I do, and I don't think Bravenak sent herself the letters. boston bean Sep 2015 #203

I don't think you understood what you were told nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #280

I understood perfectly and you aren't the poster I was responding to. boston bean Sep 2015 #281

Thst is fine nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #287

You need to read the post I responded to, because your response here is making no sense. nt boston bean Sep 2015 #288

That's exactly what I think it is. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #251

She did not do it herself nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #284

Well, I disagree. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #295

What you are presenting here counsel nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #298

Check, except that Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #299

Wow. nt MrScorpio Sep 2015 #302

If you want to plant your flag there nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #308

Well I don't see what's to "blow". Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #309

I am not going to tell you what to think nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #311

I didn't think the thought pressure was from you. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #312

Some of us are doing some sleuthing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #315

It's nice of you to help. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #316

There is always something to be gained on the Internet... grasswire Sep 2015 #363

Sorry, as an actual victim of bullying on this site nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #366

Yes, we all know what happened to you.... grasswire Sep 2015 #375

There are many reasons why in this case nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #376

Do you ever get the sensation that nobody is listening to you? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #497

Nope nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #498

Was Andy the DUer that passed away in hospital? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #506

Yes, and it almost tore this place nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #507

The simplest explanation is that it was someone that wanted to cause disruption. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #257

Occam's Razor is often misused. He said that the simplest explanation should be rhett o rick Sep 2015 #258

Yup 9/10 this was some cave dork. Oneironaut Sep 2015 #103

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #104

You are too nice... "foolish and naive".. I prefer stupid conspiracy theory. nt boston bean Sep 2015 #106

The fact that SidDithers' post was hidden proves his point. yardwork Sep 2015 #115

Yup. 6-1, no less. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #118

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #122

Oh, wow. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #135

And this OP here is a response to that locked thread. boston bean Sep 2015 #136

Did your post say it's probable that a DU member sent the letters? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #147

Let's not beat around the bush here, this is exactly what I said: boston bean Sep 2015 #156

So you used inductive reasoning to make the case MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #162

I used occams razor as I was observing that people were crucifying it's meaning. boston bean Sep 2015 #169

You misused Occams razor. The simplest explanation is that the letter rhett o rick Sep 2015 #306

The letter itself says that, so how is it a violation of TOS to agree? yardwork Sep 2015 #172

What's "Grotesque" is the way he is using Bravenak for his own bullshit agenda. JTFrog Sep 2015 #206

I think it was a forum issue, not a TOS issue MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #250

I didn't read BB's OP as saying that. yardwork Sep 2015 #283

So what? What is the problem with that? yardwork Sep 2015 #160

No, I did not do that at all. MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #168

Mob behavior is facinating, no? nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #139

Wow. The cult of personality here is out of control. yardwork Sep 2015 #142

It doesn't reflect well Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #157

Hosts should be above this pettiness. yardwork Sep 2015 #158

I would be grateful if someone did, cause I don't have much luck with it. boston bean Sep 2015 #159

What's the procedure? yardwork Sep 2015 #161

I think it is to send an pm of appeal to the locking host or any host, I suppose. boston bean Sep 2015 #163

Well, I doubt the locking host would listen. yardwork Sep 2015 #164

LOL, maybe any host then. boston bean Sep 2015 #165

The OP has to petition to unlock... Agschmid Sep 2015 #223

I wrote to a GD host requesting a review. yardwork Sep 2015 #224

Consistency is very hard... Agschmid Sep 2015 #226

Ags, you sure about that? Sissyk Sep 2015 #317

I'm sorry let me correct myself. Agschmid Sep 2015 #318

Thank you! Sissyk Sep 2015 #321

. Rex Sep 2015 #338

lol! Sissyk Sep 2015 #367

You might also note I said in the previous post on this thread... Agschmid Sep 2015 #319

I didn't accuse you of playing games, Ags. Sissyk Sep 2015 #323

I was NOT a lock vote. Agschmid Sep 2015 #337

You may do as you wish! Sissyk Sep 2015 #346

You faux friendliness is noted. Agschmid Sep 2015 #347

Should be Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #178

some on DU loathe Sid, that's no secret steve2470 Sep 2015 #120

+1000 gollygee Sep 2015 #121

I guess I read it as an assumption that the letters really ARE from a Bernie supporter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #123

And calling one or more DUers "foolish and naive" MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #125

I'm wondering why your thread aint locked up for being meta. boston bean Sep 2015 #127

I believe the criterion is *disruptive* meta. MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #128

oh, yeah... LOL so say the 90% bernie supporting hosts. boston bean Sep 2015 #129

LOL! Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #149

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #208

Sid made the comment as an observation and I'm sure that contributed to the hide riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #130

What is offensive about stating it was a Bernie supporter. boston bean Sep 2015 #131

Because the letter is a despicable act. Assuming it's a Bernie supporter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #134

That's not what Sid said? Have you even read the post? yardwork Sep 2015 #154

Where did Sid say that? yardwork Sep 2015 #153

But not just any zombie... Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #289

Apparently that's how the troll identifies. yardwork Sep 2015 #290

And I think we agree Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #294

Of course. Trolling is never well-intentioned. yardwork Sep 2015 #296

Point being, why is that so offensive to some? boston bean Sep 2015 #126

Well, I find it offensive and so did 6 other DUers riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #132

I guess I won't get the answer as to why it is offensive. ok. boston bean Sep 2015 #133

I've already said why, several times. Sids assumption the letters from a Bernie supporter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #171

talking about a letter that comes from someone who states they are a bernie supporter boston bean Sep 2015 #173

You asked for a a fuller explanation on how I interpreted his post riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #184

Ok, that doesn't tell us why you find it offensive. yardwork Sep 2015 #148

He does say it riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #166

I don't read it that way at all. yardwork Sep 2015 #177

Now why on earth would someone make Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #140

Go Hillary!!!!! Autumn Sep 2015 #267

And?? Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #270

Why? That makes no sense to me. yardwork Sep 2015 #144

Obviously 6 other jurors read it the same as I did riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #145

It is offensive to observe that out of millions of people who support Bernie yardwork Sep 2015 #146

Sid assumes it's a DU that sent the letter riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #179

That is what the letter states. That is the only evidence. boston bean Sep 2015 #196

there are huge multi million dollar companies designed to hurt liberals questionseverything Sep 2015 #379

That has me thinking nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #451

sure...not saying ever case is an op but to deny they exist is foolish too questionseverything Sep 2015 #453

The FBI and the DoD were also as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #458

Anyone who has served on MIRT, knows that Sid is right. zappaman Sep 2015 #186

Exactly. n/t JTFrog Sep 2015 #214

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #339

I agree, it very well could be a Sanders supporter who has been previously banned davidpdx Sep 2015 #403

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #215

I thought sid was one of the accounts of the owners of this forum, how could his post be hidden? randys1 Sep 2015 #234

Lol. Turns out he isn't actually Skinner. Agschmid Sep 2015 #340

Sure does. Proves a lot of things. leftofcool Sep 2015 #275

Long live the conspiracy! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #499

I agree, Manny. I believe it was someone that feels they benefit from dividing us. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #110

Yep, and I'm seriously wondering if the person succeeded in doing that davidpdx Sep 2015 #407

I am not assuming it came from DU. Rex Sep 2015 #113

This should not be your biggest concern treestar Sep 2015 #114

Agreed nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #116

Since SidDithers's post was hidden, I'm going to repeat the message here. yardwork Sep 2015 #119

Absolutely. I recently read the comments on a local news page about BLM PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #138

There you go. Crazies come in all kinds of combinations. yardwork Sep 2015 #216

I don't consider those "supporters" "supporters." joshcryer Sep 2015 #409

Spot on. zappaman Sep 2015 #426

exactly, they were posting the same disgusting shit about race and other issues JI7 Sep 2015 #501

you nailed it steve2470 Sep 2015 #520

Continue maintaining the pretense that only one reason exists. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #124

There are several equally plausible hypotheses here Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #141

Now you're going to get it. Probably get your post hidden. yardwork Sep 2015 #150

I know. The Sanders supporters I know IRL aren't like that. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #152

Same here. This is nothing about Sanders. yardwork Sep 2015 #155

Well, the issue isn't just about the letter itself, it's also about the politicization of it. Maedhros Sep 2015 #353

I am not a supporter of Sanders nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #445

I'm 100% sure it was a Clinton supporter using it to smear Bernie supporters. Zorra Sep 2015 #174

The only way you could be 100% sure is if you know who sent them Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #180

The sustained pattern has made this predictable, and not surprising, Zorra Sep 2015 #187

You're 100% sure? lovemydog Sep 2015 #459

Says the poster who coined the term "race nagging" zappaman Sep 2015 #465

You must know who sent it to be that 100 percent sure nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #466

Oh, please...if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and has webbed feet, Zorra Sep 2015 #513

I forgot you're the one who said "race nagging" steve2470 Sep 2015 #468

You didn't forget, and it's really not my problem when som people here have difficulty Zorra Sep 2015 #511

Not worth your time... Agschmid Sep 2015 #527

I agree nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #528

You're leaving out an important bit of history. jeff47 Sep 2015 #185

That would be one of the sites obsessed with DU. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #189

The cavers have contacted DUers IRL. jeff47 Sep 2015 #198

So that makes them as source an equally plausible theory Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #201

The most obvious explanation is what is in evidence. The letter states they are a member of DU. boston bean Sep 2015 #204

Which is why the insistence of some that it couldn't be from a DU Sanders supporter is silly. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #210

Many of them do believe a Bernie supporting Duer did it. They think Bravenak sent herself the boston bean Sep 2015 #211

Many comes down to 2... yeah technically that is many nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #485

Because people don't lie. jeff47 Sep 2015 #212

the letter writer claims he is, and I believe what he says, because as I have already stated to you boston bean Sep 2015 #225

Why would you believe a cowardly letter writer Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #293

I'm sure this letter writer would never lie! Chemisse Sep 2015 #360

IMHO, I believe that your line of reasoning is two-dimensional and that you are out of your depth. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #502

Frank Zappa is not above the law, as you imply MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #504

I firmly do not believe that Frank Zappa has the ability to compose anything, let alone this letter R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #508

Fact: there is no proof that time must travel forward MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #537

Andy Stephens comes to mind immediately. riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #200

One caver followed like a puppy to East County Magazine nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #446

How does Occams Razor lead to a Bernie supporter? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #382

Because the letter declares the writer as a Sanders supporter. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #389

And you believe the letter writer? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #393

I don't want to think it was a Sanders supporter tularetom Sep 2015 #151

Initially, I thought no way was it a Sanders supporter... LannyDeVaney Sep 2015 #167

I think it was a Sanders supporter gollygee Sep 2015 #170

an obvious conclusion if you ask me. And I applaud you for daring to state boston bean Sep 2015 #176

The bullying and alert stalking in the AA forum leads me to agree. yardwork Sep 2015 #182

It seems quite a few Sanders supporters agree with you and are doing damage control- This OP... bettyellen Sep 2015 #235

Yea, like the person who used the term "race nagger" leftofcool Sep 2015 #300

Manny, which of your personas wrote this OP? JoePhilly Sep 2015 #175

Best comment in this thread. GitRDun Sep 2015 #238

*mic drop* JTFrog Sep 2015 #248

And there you have it. nt msanthrope Sep 2015 #399

Thank you. raven mad Sep 2015 #188

Who remembers "Backwards B-Girl" Ashley Todd? CJCRANE Sep 2015 #191

The implication that bravenak faked this letter is ridiculous and offensive. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #197

Somehow that flies right over peoples head when making these comparisons and claims. boston bean Sep 2015 #199

Posting a police report would silence all doubt once and for all. Zorra Sep 2015 #213

^^^This^^^ is a very good recommendation. eom NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #352

RECommended nt FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #377

Excellent idea -- posting the police report! SMC22307 Sep 2015 #386

You said upthread that you're '100% sure' lovemydog Sep 2015 #462

Ugly counselor nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #464

WTF are you even talking about? A police report is not street cred. Zorra Sep 2015 #500

Suggesting that she did it is... one might even use two words here: IMPLICIT BIAS nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #503

You're skirting the issue in circles. All I suggested was that the simple posting of a police report Zorra Sep 2015 #510

Have you ever filed a police report? I have nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #522

lol. I've seen many police reports. Sorry nadin, but victims of crimes/plaintiffs get free copies of Zorra Sep 2015 #535

Actually no, not really nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #536

Completely agree, an excellent idea. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #512

What a crock of shit. Agschmid Sep 2015 #529

Occam's razor merrily Sep 2015 #205

There is no way to confirm who sent the letter, so our responses are based on our preconceptions. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #207

Indeed. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2015 #240

+100000000 navarth Sep 2015 #349

Please, in the African American Group several Bernie Sanders supporters KittyWampus Sep 2015 #209

Exactly right Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #219

It's almost as if a Bernie supporter never used the term "race nagging" seaglass Sep 2015 #236

or told black du members they were race baiting.. boston bean Sep 2015 #239

It is sad that DU allows such crap. riversedge Sep 2015 #455

This place allows blatant racism nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #460

"community standards" nt Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #470

"P.S. I alerted this thread as Meta" Android3.14 Sep 2015 #357

Objecting to the Meta nature and its violation of Terms of Service KittyWampus Sep 2015 #359

Having served as a host, I can tell you that some DUers will never get a thread lock. zappaman Sep 2015 #509

Yep Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #526

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #530

Jury results: Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #233

I agree with juror #4 840high Sep 2015 #255

"Parlock stunt." Interesting. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2015 #450

And the lies and attacks of Hillary by MSM and GOP and DU continue and there is no randys1 Sep 2015 #237

Bravo! yardwork Sep 2015 #243

I think it was a Sander's supporter from this site. Not 100% sure, of course. nt LexVegas Sep 2015 #242

let's look at all the THEORETICAL possibilities steve2470 Sep 2015 #252

Here are the questions we played nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #292

The payout is that we are all arguing with one another instead of paying attention to other, Maedhros Sep 2015 #355

Take it a tad further nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #356

Color me skeptical. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #259

Yes it is. 840high Sep 2015 #279

Exactly. Android3.14 Sep 2015 #261

This could be anything including Kafkatrapping. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #265

I had a DU member actually call my employer and threaten to sue. L0oniX Sep 2015 #274

Seamstress stalker? Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #276

But Manny, who would you never, never, expect to rob a bank wearing a Nixon mask? Nixon, of course. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #297

A battle of wits gollygee Sep 2015 #301

That's a pretty fun clip. Thanks. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #320

You know what's weird? FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #307

That's not personal information gollygee Sep 2015 #310

It is weird. I'm not 840high Sep 2015 #324

It always stems from politics in one way or another. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #326

I agree. Only a right wing troll who stood to gain by damaging Bernie's campaign would GoneFishin Sep 2015 #325

"voluntarily declare himself a Sanders supporter" NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #358

I'm with you. This declaring himself as a Sanders supporter seems too obvious. historylovr Sep 2015 #417

The culprit is usually identifiable by examinimg NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #421

No, nor do I. historylovr Sep 2015 #435

Good thought. I am not 840high Sep 2015 #488

What also doesn't fit is that they seem to think the jury system works to their advantage. Check out Chathamization Sep 2015 #413

Absolutely no doubt in my mind marym625 Sep 2015 #331

And since it worked *this* time... MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #334

YUP!!!! nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #343

Unfortunately, you're probably right. marym625 Sep 2015 #374

Mind if I borrow the "feed the troll" phrase for something? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #385

I can't take credit for that phrase, though I wish I could. marym625 Sep 2015 #387

Agreed. hifiguy Sep 2015 #341

this thread has been comedy gold... KG Sep 2015 #371

I think you are right. ozone_man Sep 2015 #388

There is that possibility. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #394

Where's Poirot when we need him? SMC22307 Sep 2015 #419

DU's owners could stop the speculation around alert stalking by releasing statistics JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #395

EarlG: "The problem is perception, not the reality of the situation" SMC22307 Sep 2015 #416

they are blind to the problem, I see it clear as day nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #422

You're seeing what you want to see. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2015 #434

tell that to PoC in AA forum... so we disagree nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #436

DUers sent on time-out are a mixed bag racially. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #442

I don't keep track of the alerts, except for the regulars in AA steve2470 Sep 2015 #444

Let's have a look, shall we? SMC22307 Sep 2015 #447

we disagree about alerts steve2470 Sep 2015 #448

Using your logic, if an INDIVIDUAL Hillary supporter is called something like... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #449

Bravenak sure caught your attention, didn't she? Number23 Sep 2015 #454

LOL, let's read between the lines... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #457

Wasn't even thinking of suggesting that. But how remarkable that this is immediately where Number23 Sep 2015 #473

I don't believe you. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #474

I genuinely couldn't care less. Number23 Sep 2015 #475

I'm crushed. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2015 #476

Very telling. MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #479

I have been alert stalked and bullied as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #439

That's your opinion. 840high Sep 2015 #490

yep and they are still blind... go ask the PoC... not just my opinion nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #491

People of Color are being alert-stalked steve2470 Sep 2015 #420

One look at the AA forum zappaman Sep 2015 #427

oh I'm pretty confident there will be an attempt steve2470 Sep 2015 #428

I wouldn't be surprised either. zappaman Sep 2015 #429

hope you guys get more gentle rain in LA and in California! nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #430

Gentle? zappaman Sep 2015 #432

ah, going to read now nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #433

+ 1000 orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #478

Not from me nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #440

you've been alert stalked, for sure steve2470 Sep 2015 #441

They partially got the desired result nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #443

I'm not sure Occam's Razor says that... HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #438

The mass media model, which legitimizes national myth and sets agendas, has crapped. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #452

UGH DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #456

I have not read the letter. What was the crime? nt Logical Sep 2015 #461

You are actually comparing what happened at Charlestown nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #463

YES DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #467

Let me clue you in as to what will happen with this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #469

A humble retort DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #471

Fully agreed... I just also know nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #472

HER and one other person are on my ignore list, I don't have time for childish antics, did someone orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #477

I still think it is a DUer. blackspade Sep 2015 #480

were heaven05 and giftedgirl timedout too ? never mind, looked it up, wow...sigh steve2470 Sep 2015 #483

Sigh indeed. blackspade Sep 2015 #484

yep they were, and there's no alert-stalking, um, yea, right! nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #486

EarlG on 8/31/15: "....more than 99.5% of all posts are never alerted on." SMC22307 Sep 2015 #523

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #521

you are so wrong. Good day nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #524

Jury voted 6-1 to HIDE IT. mia Sep 2015 #532

That was ugly and I do hope this poster is NOT a lawyer nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #533

Better get working on a good seat... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #525

. Agschmid Sep 2015 #531

The outside agitators you want to blame aren't the ones alert-stalking non-Bernie supporters. stevenleser Sep 2015 #538