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KitSileya

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74. Exactly. We had this discussion on DU two years ago when a 6-year old boy was suspended
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:14 AM
Sep 2015

for repeatedly kissing one of his classmates. The usual brigade was in uproar because they only saw it like in your picture, completely ignoring that the boy had been suspended for the same offense previously, and for roughhousing. The mother objected because on the second suspension, the school told her that it would go into his file at school. She was encouraging him to kiss his "girlfriend".

I argued that even if it was consensual (it was not) it was problematic, as the behavior was unwanted by the teachers. He kissed her during story time, ran up to her and kissed her at random times as well. All of this is problematic not only because it was non-consensual, but because it was behavior he had been told to stop doing. He didn't, probably because his mother encouraged him, I would guess. Since the behavior was 'cute' it was permissible to too many DUers.

The 13-year old in this case should know better, and the girl has every right to expect that violations to her bodily autonomy be sanctioned. In this case, it is probably just a stupid stunt, egged on by his friends, but the assault on her is an assault regardless of the cause. At 13, you should have learned that you do not have the right to touch others without their consent. How is this different than being egged on to hit someone? Would those who consider this to be cute have any problems if this was a slap and not a kiss?

When I was her age, a classmate, his brother, and his friend held me down and felt me up, and no one did anything because I was laughing. I was laughing because they were tickling me, and I am extremely ticklish. It was an assault, and they knew what they were doing. These days I warn my friends that if they try to tickle me, I am no longer their friend. I will not be in the presence of anyone who disregards my bodily autonomy. I was not heard when I told people about the assault - they considered it cute and claimed he must have a crush on me. In other words, I was supposed to allow him to assault me because he had a crush on me. That is what we teach girls, and that is what we teach boys when we do not treat these cases seriously.

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I often wonder where I live anymore. When I was a kid, this would have been handled by a teacher RKP5637 Sep 2015 #1
When I was a kid it wouldn't have been handled at all Matariki Sep 2015 #22
It's not ok to touch someone's body with your body without permission. RadiationTherapy Sep 2015 #2
But second degree assault? Isn't that going a bit too far? Initech Sep 2015 #5
For years girls have been thought hell and back yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #26
No it is not. CC Sep 2015 #54
He's being charged as a juvenile so he couldn't go to prison gollygee Sep 2015 #62
Because these are teachable moments Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #63
Yeah it's a teachable moment gollygee Sep 2015 #64
Zero tolerance policies Kotya Sep 2015 #6
That is it, exactly. DirkGently Sep 2015 #13
Zero Tolerance, courtesy of the WOD. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #41
Well I feel safer now that the bandit kisser was apprehended damnedifIknow Sep 2015 #3
So an innocent prank introduces a 13 year old to the American prison system. Initech Sep 2015 #4
Enslavement Of The Mind Must Start Early - Else Non Conformance Becomes Rampant cantbeserious Sep 2015 #29
I don't consider grabbing someone and open mouth kissing them exboyfil Sep 2015 #60
Some educational video just because it made me think of it: Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #7
Love that accent he has yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #44
How is this not a part of the rape culture? Johnyawl Sep 2015 #8
Are you for real? Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #9
Are you? Johnyawl Sep 2015 #10
The boy should be told that he cannot kiss a classmate without her consent. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #12
I guess it's fair to ask what kind of kiss this was. Kotya Sep 2015 #17
Actually per local news he grabbed her shirt CC Sep 2015 #55
Yep, that's assault all right. Matariki Sep 2015 #65
Not much more info in CC Sep 2015 #81
Poor girl treestar Sep 2015 #68
What about her? treestar Sep 2015 #37
He should apologize to her and he should be punished, by the school system, not the courts. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #46
It's an unpermitted touching treestar Sep 2015 #47
I would agree with you if he groped her. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #49
A kiss is an unpermitted touching treestar Sep 2015 #66
I would say shoving your tongue into someone's mouth is on par with "groping" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #76
"If you have something intelligent to add to the conversation, weight in." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #18
Thanks for speaking out. I wish more folks would. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2015 #20
Put down the crack pipe. hifiguy Sep 2015 #30
More waste of resources davidn3600 Sep 2015 #11
I had a girl in the 7th grade do that to me in the hallway. But, I liked it! B Calm Sep 2015 #14
As a teenager, I never kissed a girl without her permission. MineralMan Sep 2015 #15
So what happens to the boy? Daninmo Sep 2015 #16
There are a couple of TV advertisements tavernier Sep 2015 #19
13 is definitely not too young to learn that no means no dsc Sep 2015 #21
Something needs to be done about this freak. Period. BlueJazz Sep 2015 #23
thats not enough Jim Beard Sep 2015 #34
Yes, bring on the diarrhetic draft horse! Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #42
Isis has the ANSWER!!! yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #45
Jury Results Jesus Malverde Sep 2015 #75
Thank you Mr. and Ms members of the jury.. yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #85
Can't tell if serious or facetious Scootaloo Sep 2015 #77
Geez...Scootaloo...I've read perhaps a thousand of your posts. I'd know when you were being.. BlueJazz Sep 2015 #84
Without knowing the entire story, it's impossible to conclude anything. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2015 #24
That's the ticket Android3.14 Sep 2015 #28
Or he might have simply been sat down next to her in class.... daleanime Sep 2015 #31
I remember several years ago when this was a very hot issue Jim Beard Sep 2015 #25
Big difference between CC Sep 2015 #56
And they absolutely ignored that it was recurrent, KitSileya Sep 2015 #69
No charges should be brought Phantomaz Sep 2015 #27
He grabbed her and kissed her without getting consent. KitSileya Sep 2015 #71
This guy would still be in prison... MindPilot Sep 2015 #32
This is the original kindergarten kissing bandit Jim Beard Sep 2015 #33
... AngryAmish Sep 2015 #35
Completely fucking stupid... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2015 #36
how stupid! chillfactor Sep 2015 #38
Unwanted attention Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #61
I am trying not to spam with so many articles about something so lomg ago Jim Beard Sep 2015 #39
I hope he doesn't graduate to robbing banks at gun point by his 7th birthday. -none Sep 2015 #40
See? We're back to Gunz, again. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #43
It would be a crime if he were an adult, so he needs to learn that now treestar Sep 2015 #48
Look at the post I was responding to. -none Sep 2015 #53
Oh I see. treestar Sep 2015 #67
We need to learn to be able to be "WARM" to each other without the sex. Jim Beard Sep 2015 #50
Are we utterly incapable of solving problems or teaching lessons RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #51
How about forcing him to write an essay about "No means No" instead? DetlefK Sep 2015 #52
No, because that wouldn't satisfy our cultural bloodlust Orrex Sep 2015 #59
Remember: Turbineguy Sep 2015 #57
While I do not agree with the arrest npk Sep 2015 #58
The incident was misrepresented in the media - what a surprise. Matariki Sep 2015 #70
Yeah, apparently if a guy is underaged, he can kiss girls without consent to his heart's content KitSileya Sep 2015 #72
If you consider grabbing someone by the front of their shirt Matariki Sep 2015 #73
Exactly. We had this discussion on DU two years ago when a 6-year old boy was suspended KitSileya Sep 2015 #74
Key word: unwanted. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #78
Keep in mind: There are only two possible positions on this matter RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #79
Best reply. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #82
I wonder where the common sense went. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #80
I wish we had more info to make an informed opinion Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #83
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