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Yo_Mama

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136. Yes, but this guy was confused on that issue.

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:04 PM

Sep 2015

He belonged to and actively participated in a group that didn't buy the idea that pedophilia WAS morally wrong.

So while I think your analysis is good, the reality is that the author of this piece does have that distorted moral sensibility. He is one of those that needs to hear from society no conflicted messages on the subject, because he doesn't carry that intuitive knowledge within himself.

In that respect, he is a monster. However, anyone with dark impulses who does not act on them should be respected for the virtue inherent in that struggle.

But I agree with those who are saying that the article verges on grooming. It is precisely because there is a minority who do not have a native revulsion for this behavior that society needs to yell "That is monstrous" in response to any effort to minimize the enormity of such behavior.

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"I�m a pedophile, but not a monster" [View all] philosslayer Sep 2015 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2015 #1

Best reply EVER krawhitham Sep 2015 #193

Wow. That was a tough read. brer cat Sep 2015 #2

I don't think it was intended that way. F4lconF16 Sep 2015 #31

I'm gay and I reacted very differently from you. yardwork Sep 2015 #51

You're surprised that he's trying to gain sympathy? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #58

Where did I say I was surprised? yardwork Sep 2015 #81

If you weren't surprised, then why even bother to mention it? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #82

What?! yardwork Sep 2015 #108

I think you're right. F4lconF16 Sep 2015 #94

Speaking of serial murderers, it sounds like he's trying to "Dexter" child abuse. nt MADem Sep 2015 #105

You and I disagree on some things, MADem, but we are rock solid 100% on this one Aerows Sep 2015 #188

Many heterosexuals begin to recognize their sexual preferences around puberty, too. MADem Sep 2015 #103

Exactly. yardwork Sep 2015 #109

Everybody's sexuality becomes more evident at puberty - it's just that the default is het Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #133

He's not quite as virtuous as he thinks he is REP Sep 2015 #3

Me too. I feel icky aikoaiko Sep 2015 #7

ugh JI7 Sep 2015 #13

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #41

And the asshole runs a "Virtuous Pedophiles Forum" snooper2 Sep 2015 #65

You're right! Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #151

Also ... REP Sep 2015 #159

Do you mean this sentence? I read it differently than that and you missed "when...suffers". uppityperson Sep 2015 #177

They don't love children. They love fucking children. There's a difference. REP Sep 2015 #205

Pedophilia isn't that uncommon, unfortunately. Warpy Sep 2015 #4

I had to reread your first sentence to make sure I was reading it right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #57

I think it's a bull shit statement Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #113

Are you saying it should be criminal to have a fantasy life, one that you never act out in real life uppityperson Sep 2015 #180

No, im talking about acting out pedophile fantasies Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #196

Thank you. Acting out fantasies that hurt others is wrong. uppityperson Sep 2015 #197

Judge by their actions? uppityperson Sep 2015 #179

I clicked that link already formulating my 'fuck him' post in my head. Marr Sep 2015 #5

"I'm a shoplifter, but I don't steal anything." jberryhill Sep 2015 #6

+1000 zappaman Sep 2015 #8

Well, I think your position is unfortunate. F4lconF16 Sep 2015 #32

Too many victims to be heard first jberryhill Sep 2015 #50

I think that you probably have no real life experience with pedophiles. yardwork Sep 2015 #55

+1 exactly! Person 2713 Sep 2015 #154

If a pedophile never acts on those feelings, how do you know they are a pedophile? uppityperson Sep 2015 #181

+100 nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #72

Agreed. Not sympathetic towards your desire to hurt children, at all. n/t prayin4rain Sep 2015 #44

He probably feels it's safe to come out customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #49

To anyone who is a victim to this kind of predator, his writing will be immediately familiar KitSileya Sep 2015 #83

"It is grooming" jberryhill Sep 2015 #86

Melissa McEwan said that, and it struck me so forcibly. KitSileya Sep 2015 #90

Thank you for posting this. yardwork Sep 2015 #189

+1000 geardaddy Sep 2015 #91

This post changed my mind. F4lconF16 Sep 2015 #95

I think it is very important to listen to survivors. As I said downthread, they're the experts KitSileya Sep 2015 #100

Again, thank you. F4lconF16 Sep 2015 #139

Yes! Great post. n/t prayin4rain Sep 2015 #97

Exactly. zappaman Sep 2015 #99

All analogies limp -- this one was carried in on a stretcher nichomachus Sep 2015 #104

I'd say it is more like d_r Sep 2015 #165

He just doesn't sound credible riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #9

"At times I've wondered why I've even bothered to stay legal" melman Sep 2015 #37

Exactly nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #42

When you strip away the rhetoric Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #135

I found this article very illuminating and quite enlightening. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #10

Same here marym625 Sep 2015 #15

My issue with this is Quackers Sep 2015 #21

Fantasies that are not acted upon are not a problem. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #22

First, I'm glad he recognizes he has a problem Quackers Sep 2015 #25

That's a good analogy, comparing him to an alcoholic. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #27

Anytime! Quackers Sep 2015 #28

Absolutely! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #29

I gotta say Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #59

I would not let him anywhere near my children. Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #67

Exactly this. ladyVet Sep 2015 #73

Better the guy who tells you he suffers from this mythology Sep 2015 #116

I don't believe him. yardwork Sep 2015 #52

And you would be right not to do so. Aerows Sep 2015 #145

That seems very unwise to me. Marr Sep 2015 #137

Read the above link Aerows Sep 2015 #147

I think you're dangerously naive. GeorgeGist Sep 2015 #169

Really? Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #199

If everyone acted on every sexual urge... icarusxat Sep 2015 #11

As a woman that doesn't have children Aerows Sep 2015 #173

Interesting read. I try to understand other people's feelings. Doing that requires putting yourself BlueJazz Sep 2015 #12

I know Robert, or Bob Chewter could tell you a thing or two about this. He lives in London. rusty quoin Sep 2015 #14

Why is it the first thing I thought of was "Republican"? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #16

So long as they don't hurt anyone, I have no problem with people like the articles author. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #17

Kind of like "I'm a serial killer, but I'm not a monster." Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #18

Lol Quackers Sep 2015 #20

Actually, to be a serial killer, you have to really kill a couple of people. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #60

Exactly. Thoughts are not crimes, and they never should be. nt. Mariana Sep 2015 #110

NAMBLA propaganda Quackers Sep 2015 #19

Here's a site that tells the truth about paedophilia rusty quoin Sep 2015 #23

Sorry romanic Sep 2015 #24

I think it was Nietsche who said something along the lines of... TreasonousBastard Sep 2015 #26

Pedophilia is not sexual orientation it is an extreme form of narcissism with a tendency toward Monk06 Sep 2015 #30

Thank you. LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #45

The apa disagrees with you Mosby Sep 2015 #98

The APA routinely classified Aerows Sep 2015 #174

Psychiatry is not a science in the way Physics is. It's methodology is ad hoc, lacks ability Monk06 Sep 2015 #175

Can't buy it. zentrum Sep 2015 #33

Ever heard of click bait? F4lconF16 Sep 2015 #35

Good points. zentrum Sep 2015 #201

There are many, many more like him that we will never know about eridani Sep 2015 #34

Apparently they all are not like that. Duppers Sep 2015 #38

I read the article, then did a google search Duppers Sep 2015 #36

I did some research on him as well deutsey Sep 2015 #64

That's pretty interesting. cwydro Sep 2015 #127

I honestly hope this does not garner sympathy! RLR1 Sep 2015 #39

Thank you for sharing your story. KitSileya Sep 2015 #92

I was molested by my dad's girlfriend when I was 5. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #114

My mom's older brother tried to molest her Mariana Sep 2015 #195

"I�m only attracted to supermodels, but I'm not a monster" mhatrw Sep 2015 #40

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #43

Would you rather he WAS forcing himself on little kids? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #62

No, but we should commend him for admitting it. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2015 #74

I'm .....attracted to supermodels, sometimes. I admit it. Shameful, i know. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #140

IMO your actions define what kind of person you are, not your "urges". redgreenandblue Sep 2015 #46

It's not an "orientation." I find that notion ridiculous. Oneironaut Sep 2015 #47

Uuuuuuhhh, no. MrScorpio Sep 2015 #48

Thank you. yardwork Sep 2015 #54

now, now... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #63

"Deviance?" This guy is a fucking rapist who wants to hurt kids... Oneironaut Sep 2015 #96

He has acknowledged his deviance... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #101

He wants you to believe his bullshit. I don't. Oneironaut Sep 2015 #102

What is this you're doing, performance art? MrScorpio Sep 2015 #123

I would call it... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #128

I don't know if you have any kids of your own... MrScorpio Sep 2015 #129

None of my own but... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #130

So now, you're just moving the goalposts MrScorpio Sep 2015 #131

Your society... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #132

Still waiting for you to explain to my unwashed self what's so great about being a child molester MrScorpio Sep 2015 #142

Deviant sex is mutually agreed upon. Criminal sex isn't. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #190

Actually that is why he suffering from mental illness, he is equating the two as the same. Rex Sep 2015 #124

Pedos no place in normal society Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #53

How did this particular person 'destroy a child's innocence' that we know of? whatthehey Sep 2015 #77

Humans are all flawed. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #56

That's fine... trumad Sep 2015 #61

A local story is a bit relevant here... OneGrassRoot Sep 2015 #66

The father tried to drown his daughters because he's a selfish piece of shit, not a victim. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #68

The blame for his actions lies solely with him... OneGrassRoot Sep 2015 #70

Except nil desperandum Sep 2015 #69

What should this person do? oberliner Sep 2015 #71

Are they born that way? This man was sexually assaulted as a 7 yr old riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #76

Born that way or became that way due to some traumatic childhood event oberliner Sep 2015 #78

Therapy for the unresolved sexual assault and resulting damage to his psyche riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #80

Thanks for sharing your insights oberliner Sep 2015 #84

Agreed they should be "encouraged" to get it. Should be mandatory! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #93

I think you are right, and I think it's how these individuals get judges ScreamingMeemie Sep 2015 #160

There is some research to indicate that it can be in the brain. trotsky Sep 2015 #117

I guess I find anyone whose "sexual orientation" is to harm children riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #119

I hear ya. trotsky Sep 2015 #122

It would be great if they could find a way to fix the faulty wiring oberliner Sep 2015 #157

It seems comparable to sexual serial killers in a way. Marr Sep 2015 #156

Good questions oberliner Sep 2015 #158

Administer drugs Aerows Sep 2015 #176

I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own minds... hunter Sep 2015 #75

My opinion on what we need to do with pedophiles is not changed. Exile to an island far from any stevenleser Sep 2015 #79

Are people on this island allowed to have children? oberliner Sep 2015 #85

No, but if they do, the children are removed at birth. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #88

If you go that extreme, you also need to forcibly sterilize them. KitSileya Sep 2015 #87

See my #88 above. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #89

Bravo Steven, I'm with you. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #112

I came to this idea after a lot of reflection. These folks have to be kept away from stevenleser Sep 2015 #166

What are you going to do with those who fantasize Mariana Sep 2015 #115

No. Pedophelia is a unique crime for several reasons all of which should be obvious. Nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #134

Pedophilia is not a crime. Mariana Sep 2015 #143

and one almost 100% indicates the other. I noticed that what you didn't offer stevenleser Sep 2015 #161

Punishing people for their thoughts is not a solution. Mariana Sep 2015 #185

And there you have it. See Aerows #144 below stevenleser Sep 2015 #163

I wasn't really talking about this person in particular. Mariana Sep 2015 #187

My remarks weren't only regarding this person either. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #194

We have drugs that can dramatically reduce sex drive. Aerows Sep 2015 #178

I don't know what to say except perhaps the writer should stop obsessing over the subject, Sunlei Sep 2015 #106

Monster Johnny2X2X Sep 2015 #107

predation is predation Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #111

He's very convincing Flying Squirrel Sep 2015 #118

Nah, he's a monster. zappaman Sep 2015 #120

Disturbing Johnny2X2X Sep 2015 #121

No, he's a monster. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #125

He got fired from Lowe's some years ago n/t Stargleamer Sep 2015 #172

Years ago, a pedophile did an enlightening AMA on Reddit. Xithras Sep 2015 #126

Yes, but this guy was confused on that issue. Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #136

Is pedophilia - sexual attraction to children - morally wrong Mariana Sep 2015 #149

But he belonged to (very actively) a website that involved these guys developing relationships Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #152

I wasn't necessarily talking about this person in particular. Mariana Sep 2015 #186

The article he wrote is morally wrong and thus he is morally wrong Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #204

"He is one of those that needs to hear from society no conflicted messages on the subject" Ratty Sep 2015 #202

Arent monsters born that way, too? No one chooses to be an Orc. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #138

Interesting article, but I wouldn't want this guy around my kids Bettie Sep 2015 #141

Two sides to every story Aerows Sep 2015 #144

Thanks for posting this. It would be foolish to take this at face value. Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #153

And there you have it. That's why I believe in my island solution stevenleser Sep 2015 #164

Unfortunately Aerows Sep 2015 #182

Sick Johnny2X2X Sep 2015 #171

If he'd continued to keep his mouth shut and his powder dry, there'd be no problem. NOW? He's made WinkyDink Sep 2015 #146

That isn't his goal Aerows Sep 2015 #148

I have trouble buying this, and I'm a little disappointed in Salon for posting it. ScreamingMeemie Sep 2015 #150

Todd seems intelligent and tormented SwankyXomb Sep 2015 #155

Insidious d_r Sep 2015 #162

I actually also feel like he's getting some kind of creepish enjoyment out of sharing this ScreamingMeemie Sep 2015 #168

Agreed. It's irresponsible of the site. yardwork Sep 2015 #170

It is irresponsible Aerows Sep 2015 #184

As I read the first paragraph, and go to the "Does that shock you?" ScreamingMeemie Sep 2015 #192

Pedophiles don't deserve thought. raven mad Sep 2015 #167

I hate to post a link to this, but this is a link in a site Aerows Sep 2015 #183

"Love, desire, sexual orientation?" - BARF TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #191

What concerns me Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #198

I know. It disgusts me. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #200

"I'm a Republican, but not a monster" KamaAina Sep 2015 #203