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Maedhros

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102. I don't know if an adherence to Neoliberalism is at the core of the dislike for Pope Francis.

Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:20 PM

Sep 2015

Many see his views on LGBTQ persons and abortion to be deal-breakers, thus they disregard any position (good or bad) that the Pope may take.

In my opinion we should praise good positions and denounce poor ones, rather than praise or denounce personalities. I take the same view with Obama: the man has done some good things (ACA, Iran deal, repeal of DADT) and a whole host of evil shit (condoning torture, indefinite detention, executing enemies of the state without due process, terrorizing third world countries with drones, criminalizing investigative journalism, prosecuting whistle blowers, increasing our military presence in Africa by 217%, destroying Libya in defiance of law, etc.).

I will still praise the good things Obama has done, but overall he has done more ill than good. I can see others taking a similar view of Pope Francis, but he should still be praised for the things he gets right.

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I Love The Irony... As An Aethist... I Have To Ask: [View all] WillyT Sep 2015 OP

What I don't undestand is that people here hated Pope Benedict, even though he has the same... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #1

This could have something to do with it... Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #3

And? Things aren't much better under Pope Francis, at least not yet, and accountability internally.. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #4

Complicity in covering up child molesting is just a huge negative for most people Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #9

Maybe it's because PR is how any Pope can serve ... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #28

Here's the difference: Benedict's judgmentalism, and his willingness to be used pnwmom Sep 2015 #56

Pope John XXIII was a good egg. nt tblue37 Sep 2015 #2

loved John 23 - rurallib Sep 2015 #13

It occured to me just recently that LiberalElite Sep 2015 #21

That is the sad and scary part, for those of us who appreciate Pope Francis. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #58

Religion Itself Is Conservative NonMetro Sep 2015 #63

Yep. It's silly patriarchal mythology that needs to be abandoned by Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #96

Yet it would be foolish to assume that there is nothing of value to be found Maedhros Sep 2015 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Sep 2015 #41

This atheist agrees with you. hifiguy Sep 2015 #103

Like his economics, hate his desire to police my bedroom. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #5

Agreed... But Wouldn't That Be True Of ANY Pope ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #8

No, there have been popes who didn't care about bedrooms jeff47 Sep 2015 #10

And How Long Ago Was That ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #11

First written story of the female pope is from 1250 jeff47 Sep 2015 #14

Yeah... I Heard They Used To Be Rather Wild Back In The Day... WillyT Sep 2015 #15

this pope isn't much different than previous popes and other catholic leaders JI7 Sep 2015 #6

I'm not supporting any of it, people seem to need others to look up to, I have no problem AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #7

But You're Using Logic And Compassion... WillyT Sep 2015 #12

I was raised in the Catholic tradition, both Roman and Greek Orthodox which slightly differs, AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #16

I Think He Can Change It... Not Immediatley... He's Got The Knives Out For Him In The Vatican... WillyT Sep 2015 #19

Heck the United States just finally brought equal rights to gays yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #44

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #53

there has just got to be some law somewhere about truedelphi Sep 2015 #64

It will take a lot more than one pope - LiberalElite Sep 2015 #22

Turning around as ancient and bureaucratic an institution as the RCC hifiguy Sep 2015 #104

Yep. I'm LiberalElite Sep 2015 #110

It is complicated and I don't feel like spending an hour typing but suffice it to say that Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #33

Thank You... WillyT Sep 2015 #45

NP Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #78

They all suck equally to me. And I don't care what the current CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #17

I don't have a favourite Pope, Willly... SidDithers Sep 2015 #18

Sid Sid Sid... How Are You Casting Your Vote In The 2016 U.S. Presidential Election ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #20

I thought we were talking about the Pope... SidDithers Sep 2015 #23

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who is the Pope going to vote for in 2016 US Election ? JI7 Sep 2015 #77

+100 Sissyk Sep 2015 #27

I stand with SidDithers n/t JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #34

Willy had a win here. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #35

Yeah, I'm not worried about posts like that... SidDithers Sep 2015 #39

Hey you. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #42

Back atcha... SidDithers Sep 2015 #43

I stand with Sid too. leftofcool Sep 2015 #36

As a recovering Catholic, I also stand with Sid. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #91

This is the best post of the thread. Deadshot Sep 2015 #99

Great response. REP Sep 2015 #113

It is offensive to characterize political positions using an anti gay, anti choice preacher as your Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #24

That was a bullshit hide, blue...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #38

What Sid Said! ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #82

Pope John XXIII was a pretty awesome pope. He was there from 1958-1963. StevieM Sep 2015 #25

Gotta go with Pope Joan LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #29

It's a tie. Iggo Sep 2015 #30

Pope John Paul II will always be my favorite Reter Sep 2015 #31

Just can't stay away from bashing Hillary even when it makes no sense??? nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #32

The "High Priestess of Neoliberalism" supports reproductive rights and marriage equality. brooklynite Sep 2015 #37

Many have it wrong. He is much more in the tradition of Liberation Theology mmonk Sep 2015 #40

I Will... WillyT Sep 2015 #46

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I don't know if an adherence to Neoliberalism is at the core of the dislike for Pope Francis. Maedhros Sep 2015 #102

The Pope on Atheism zentrum Sep 2015 #48

He didn't PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #50

That's interesting. zentrum Sep 2015 #54

lol, he didn't say it. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #55

Ok. If this never happened zentrum Sep 2015 #61

"On the other hand, there's no proof that he didn't say it." The burden of proof is on you to... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #62

Okay, okay... zentrum Sep 2015 #73

Probably closer to this... MADem Sep 2015 #71

Yeah, Franky never said that... SidDithers Sep 2015 #51

Yeah. Too bad, sad. zentrum Sep 2015 #57

Pope Francis agrees with the scientists that human magnified global warming is for real. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #49

So did Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul II LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #89

This whole post drips of privilege... MellowDem Sep 2015 #52

Wow... That's A Load Of Load... Tell Me Again, How The Catholic Church Evolves ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #59

It doesn't... MellowDem Sep 2015 #68

+1... SidDithers Sep 2015 #60

"Privilege"... You Want To Talk About PRIVILEGE... When It Comes To Hillary Clinton ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #67

I'm talking about the Pope... MellowDem Sep 2015 #69

It's A Sea Change In Popieness... It's A Liberal Pope Shutting Down The RW Religios... WillyT Sep 2015 #70

No, homophobic, mysoginistic bigots are not Liberals... SidDithers Sep 2015 #79

+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #90

This... Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #83

Tell me which bigot you'd like to support... MellowDem Sep 2015 #88

No, I'm just not playing your Us Vs Them garbage game Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #95

This is an Internet discussion board... MellowDem Sep 2015 #97

Thank you for educating me on what this place is Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #105

Since you're blaming victims of the Pope... MellowDem Sep 2015 #107

What a wonderful misread of what I said. Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #114

"Elitist and exclusionary" MellowDem Sep 2015 #115

I will be bookmarking this reply. It's wonderful. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #108

I like Olivia Pope the best so far olddots Sep 2015 #65

Their God is money. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #66

Yes I really liked it when... uriel1972 Sep 2015 #72

Alexander valerief Sep 2015 #74

Probably Adrian (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #75

Top 1% and handmaidens of the top 1% is what gives. n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #76

I don't follow the Pope, but I sure like the DALI LAMA.. yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #80

I'm also an atheist and the thing I like about this Pope the most is Vinca Sep 2015 #81

I'm not supportive pecwae Sep 2015 #84

posster upthread knocked it out of the park. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #85

Pope Stephen VI Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #86

As an atheist my answer is very simple: none whatthehey Sep 2015 #87

I don't think you're part of the Pope's "demographic." WinkyDink Sep 2015 #92

And right glad I am of it. I'm in the rational group. Some religious folk manage this too whatthehey Sep 2015 #93

Funny, I'd compare this man to Hillary before I would Bernie. nolabear Sep 2015 #94

I'm an atheist and I don't support any religious leader. Deadshot Sep 2015 #98

None. They all seem to hate women with a passion. Rex Sep 2015 #100

Agreed !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #106

I don't believe a person goes throughout their life and never changes. Rex Sep 2015 #112

My favorite pope is Olivia Pope. kwassa Sep 2015 #109

Pope Francis fadedrose Sep 2015 #111