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Kang Colby

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48. It doesn't matter what happened.

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:27 PM

Oct 2015

In the eyes of the controllers, this 65 year old woman was the criminal the day she acquired the firearm. In their eyes, it would be morally superior if she had become the victim. I genuinely believe that. Years ago, on the Illinois State Police website female victims were instructed to soil themselves as a valid mechanism of defense...firearms were not mentioned at all because this was before CCW was legal in Illinois. You can still find the page though the Way Back Archive.

A real controller would have phoned the authorities, and then invited the perp in for tea so they could get a better understanding of what went wrong in his life that led him to break into the garage. They'd then use the information to testify for leniency on his behalf in front of a judge.

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Woman (65) shoots burglary suspect in garage [View all] pintobean Oct 2015 OP

Is attempted burglary a death penalty offense? guillaumeb Oct 2015 #1

No one died. pintobean Oct 2015 #2

lol CatWoman Oct 2015 #3

Yep, when seconds count, the cops are just minutes away! I live in a VERY RURAL area of a small Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #9

And of course she knew that the response time would be that long? guillaumeb Oct 2015 #13

You're making stuff up. pintobean Oct 2015 #17

She was 100 percent correct yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #43

One of the occupational hazards of Burglar is that you might get shot. Throd Oct 2015 #4

Appears they haven't ramped up their SafeBurglar� program yet. Bonx Oct 2015 #78

Rofl� miyazaki Oct 2015 #98

Depending on the neighborhood, it could have taken the police a long time to show up. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2015 #5

Yes. And if she HAD shot her son the story would be a bit different. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #14

Neither of those things happened, did they? Spare us the 'woulda, coulda, shoulda'... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #49

I posited these scenarios because this incident is presented as guillaumeb Oct 2015 #99

Since you want to play that game -- he could have violently assaulted and murdered her. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #97

I think so. There is no way to know if things will escalate and the homeowners life is at stake. Waldorf Oct 2015 #6

They responded to an alarm. They could have called the police guillaumeb Oct 2015 #15

Seems the whole thing could have been avoided if somebody wasn't burglarizing their property. Waldorf Oct 2015 #19

And if the story had been instead about a homeowner who went into the garage in response guillaumeb Oct 2015 #22

State law will say treestar Oct 2015 #74

it is if you pick the wrong house Fla_Democrat Oct 2015 #7

Did you pull a muscle, the way your knee jerked like that? ;) n/t X_Digger Oct 2015 #8

LOL!!! n/t Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #10

Sympathy for the burglar? GGJohn Oct 2015 #18

Common sense to avoid an easily avoided situation that could have turned out guillaumeb Oct 2015 #23

So far in this thread, you've done every thing possible to place the blame on the victim GGJohn Oct 2015 #29

Maybe you missed the part where the burglar, instead of leaving, GGJohn Oct 2015 #20

Or tried to run away? guillaumeb Oct 2015 #25

Again, maybe you missed that part where, instead of leaving like he was told, GGJohn Oct 2015 #26

If the woman was standing in the doorway, how was the burgar to leave other than by turning... guillaumeb Oct 2015 #27

Jesus christ, you're making every excuse to blame the woman GGJohn Oct 2015 #28

I am looking at the incident and attempting to analyze what happened, and why. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #30

Bullshit!!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #31

The criminal is just that, a criminal and a thief. Or would be thief. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #33

Other people think differently than you. GGJohn Oct 2015 #36

She was protecting her stuff. Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #81

"that was only after he decided to fight the burglar." Or the burglar decided to fight *him*... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #84

Horseshit. Throd Oct 2015 #88

Backing into the house and dialing 911 would've taken less time Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #110

No doubt, attempting to objectively analyze a scenario can often look like blame LanternWaste Oct 2015 #82

I would say a criminal stoned on something that induced severely bad judgement is most probable Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #59

Because successful home defense pintobean Oct 2015 #32

Good answer. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #35

Of which 2/3rd's are suicides. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #38

And that changes things... how? hunter Oct 2015 #101

So, you demonize good people pintobean Oct 2015 #53

Garages almost always have a door into the house. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #58

It's likely a detached garage pintobean Oct 2015 #65

You know those big metal things on the exterior of a garage? snooper2 Oct 2015 #60

Absurd. Dr. Strange Oct 2015 #46

LOL. GGJohn Oct 2015 #47

He was looking for mice Yupster Oct 2015 #68

"possibly to attack her." Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #79

If someone illegally enters your house/garage, it's legal to shoot to kill Reter Oct 2015 #34

Well - according to the link, the burglar didn't leave when told and instead got aggressive Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #57

No, but it certainly comes with the possibility of that sentence. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #71

Her skirt was too high, thats why she got raped. peapodsss Oct 2015 #80

Another Moron American Hero! hunter Oct 2015 #11

I find it highly offensive that you would side with the criminal against the victim. GGJohn Oct 2015 #21

The pro-gun movement sides with criminals all the time. Paladin Oct 2015 #70

You're not kidding. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2015 #72

that's the issue treestar Oct 2015 #75

"(N)obody having guns is not even considered." Because prohibition hasn't worked before friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #83

Hell, they even get all chummy with suicidal people and future mass murderers, sell them guns... hunter Oct 2015 #96

"they even get all chummy with suicidal people and future mass murderers, sell them guns" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #100

I'll refer you to this journal post of mine... hunter Oct 2015 #104

"I don't understand gun love." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #108

You're the reason we lose elections Reter Oct 2015 #37

If you'd vote for a Republican moron because some anonymous guy on the internet doesn't like guns... hunter Oct 2015 #40

You don't have to like guns, but if a robber gets shot inside a house/garage, don't ever get mad Reter Oct 2015 #41

If I was in the habit of shooting strangers in my house... hunter Oct 2015 #44

Ah? This was an older scared lady who didn't just start shooting. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #62

I am all about gun control, but this woman responded reasonably when the man didn't tblue37 Oct 2015 #63

I know you don't want to be victimized exboyfil Oct 2015 #12

A sensible answer. You should self-delete it. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #16

Most people don't think burglar though - Generally, they think wild animal. Lancero Oct 2015 #52

And she did not shoot to kill malaise Oct 2015 #24

Impossible, that myth of "shoot in the leg" was debunked decades ago Reter Oct 2015 #39

Interesting how the police, who weren't there, determined that the burgler turned toward her... Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2015 #42

I would imagine that the 2 eyewitnesses, you know, the victims, GGJohn Oct 2015 #45

"Do you have any evidence that it didn't happen the way the victims...said it happened?" No friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #50

no one has any evidence either way treestar Oct 2015 #76

Well, if you get shot after having broken in at night, the presumption is against you. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #64

Sorry for being such a wet blanket. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2015 #66

It doesn't matter what happened. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #48

In the past, I would have said the controllers' posts in this thread were parodies... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #51

Any burglar at my house would be facing 350 lbs of fur and teeth. hobbit709 Oct 2015 #54

And if I know dogs, the basenji would be at the front of the pack Codeine Oct 2015 #55

She'd be the first one there. hobbit709 Oct 2015 #56

Nice to see she refused to be a victim. ileus Oct 2015 #61

too bad cops can't aim for the legs WI_DEM Oct 2015 #67

We don't know that she was aiming for legs. pintobean Oct 2015 #69

It sounds like everyone wants to absolve her without getting the facts first treestar Oct 2015 #73

Missouri has a castle doctrine. pintobean Oct 2015 #77

and why is this GD material? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #85

Because "GD" stands for "gun discussion." Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #86

Why wouldn't it be? pintobean Oct 2015 #87

a mass shooting is something of interest to the nation. one lady shooting one burglar in the foot La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #89

This will go well over 100 posts, so it is obviously a story of interest. n/t Throd Oct 2015 #90

Every story is local. pintobean Oct 2015 #91

I wish that some folks here would read Lulu Belle Oct 2015 #92

was this robber armed? with a firearm or a different weapon? maxsolomon Oct 2015 #93

I don't understand how Lulu Belle Oct 2015 #102

I wouldn't expect you would maxsolomon Oct 2015 #103

Why does it matter? Lulu Belle Oct 2015 #107

More gun porn philosslayer Oct 2015 #94

None. pintobean Oct 2015 #95

How do you know he was harmless? cabyio Oct 2015 #109

Fired twice, hit once in each leg... Ino Oct 2015 #105

See post #69 pintobean Oct 2015 #106

I am sorry LOCKING etherealtruth Oct 2015 #111