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Lancero

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167. Except the only reason a exchange of gunfire occured was because he decided to force a confrontation

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 11:34 AM

Oct 2015

The robber was leaving, and Rivers decided to hide behind his car door, arm himself, and shout out to to him. He forced a confrontation with the robber, which resulted into a number of shots going into the building - A action that placed EVERYONE left inside at risk of harm or death.

He made the choice to put his own life at risk, had he not forced a confrontation then it wouldn't have been. He made the choice that could have killed people inside the building.

People want to believe the NRA kool-aid about how more good guys with guns will end gun crime - And people are slowing making him into an example of that. But so many people are willing to overlook the fact that Rivers risked other people lives with his choices and that - from all the currently revealed information anyway - had he stood back then no one's lives would have been at risk.

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Would-be Waffle House robber dies after having been shot by customer [View all] StrongBad Oct 2015 OP

Public execution...that's the ticket! Human101948 Oct 2015 #1

the shooter should be sued for taking away the victim's right to trial saturnsring Oct 2015 #3

Perhaps the "victim" should not have been committing armed robbbery NobodyHere Oct 2015 #13

no he shouldnt have just like our citizens shouldnt be our executioners saturnsring Oct 2015 #23

Yes, but only one person is solely responsible for setting things in motion. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Oct 2015 #163

wow. . . .just. . . wow niyad Oct 2015 #87

armed with what? treestar Oct 2015 #142

Will you be footing legal expenses? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #16

If there's any basis for a lucrative suit, the lawyer will work on contingency... Human101948 Oct 2015 #31

Shield law such as self-defense laws? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Oct 2015 #164

OMG!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #46

where does it say that the robber shot at the citizen? niyad Oct 2015 #88

So the ARMED ROBBER pointing his weapon doesn't constitude a deadly threat? GGJohn Oct 2015 #92

try again. NOWHERE does it say that the dead man aimed at the shooter, in the niyad Oct 2015 #96

Try again. GGJohn Oct 2015 #100

try again. that was NOT in the originally linked article. what you are quoting is an update, niyad Oct 2015 #102

Yes, an update. GGJohn Oct 2015 #105

forget it. my response was to what was in the ORIGINAL article. niyad Oct 2015 #110

Just can't bring yourself to admit that this was a justifiable homicide can you. GGJohn Oct 2015 #111

based on what I read, NO. quite frankly, I have no faith in police or da's at all. niyad Oct 2015 #112

Well, the police and the patrons of the restaurant, you know, GGJohn Oct 2015 #115

as is their right. just as it is MY right to see what I see, based on the reporting. niyad Oct 2015 #116

Yep, it's your right to have that opinion, GGJohn Oct 2015 #117

Sounds like they already did... TipTok Oct 2015 #124

In an updated link here: Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #94

thank you. that was certainly NOT in the original article. niyad Oct 2015 #98

Glad to be some help... n/t Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #104

Rivers should have stayed in his car. The robber was leaving Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #122

He didn't did he? GGJohn Oct 2015 #126

No. The police represents the people. Yorktown Oct 2015 #129

Why? He is a licensed, armed guard, or did you not read that part? In most States, Licensed, armed Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #136

Since he was a security guard treestar Oct 2015 #156

I know it's a cliche, but... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #20

Play stupid games, GGJohn Oct 2015 #45

19 year old shot to death over 20 dollars saturnsring Oct 2015 #2

Wrong, he was shot to death because he pointed his gun at the wrong person, GGJohn Oct 2015 #48

That's not clear in the article treestar Oct 2015 #143

Waffle House employees said he was armed with a semi auto handgun. GGJohn Oct 2015 #147

The 20 bucks was irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #61

He would have killed at least 3 innocents by the time he was 30 Reter Oct 2015 #97

Would have???? And you know this how? Initech Oct 2015 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Reter Oct 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Reter Oct 2015 #114

No, he was shot for threatening someone with a gun. Codeine Oct 2015 #106

He did point a gun at the guy who shot him Bonx Oct 2015 #4

Two armed assholes equals a tragedy. hunter Oct 2015 #5

"Two armed assholes equals a tragedy." GGJohn Oct 2015 #50

Yeah, I'd like to live in a world full of moron vigilantes. hunter Oct 2015 #62

I don't think you know the definition of vigilante. Free clue: Self-defense isn't. n/t X_Digger Oct 2015 #65

"Self Defense" is bullshit. hunter Oct 2015 #67

Okay, you're on my christmas list for a dictionary. *check* X_Digger Oct 2015 #70

If someone wants you dead, they just walk up and shoot you. hunter Oct 2015 #74

Ok, I'll also highlight Paranoia for you, too. And Projection. Any other "P"s while I'm at it? n/t X_Digger Oct 2015 #80

Oh, so cops don't carry a firearm for self defense? GGJohn Oct 2015 #72

You're ridiculous. Codeine Oct 2015 #107

So, in your world, GGJohn Oct 2015 #69

Was there a second robber I didn't read about? ileus Oct 2015 #56

The guy who shot the robber is an asshole and a moron. hunter Oct 2015 #63

LOL, GGJohn Oct 2015 #73

What do you think of Zimmerman? hunter Oct 2015 #76

Unlike Trayvon Martin, GGJohn Oct 2015 #77

I've been threatened by armed people. hunter Oct 2015 #95

What's this got to do with Mr. Rivers defending himself? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #109

He wasn't "defending himself." He was shooting a "bad guy." hunter Oct 2015 #123

So having a deadly weapon pointed at one's self and shooting the person pointing it at someone GGJohn Oct 2015 #127

He chooses to carry a handgun. Case closed. hunter Oct 2015 #141

LOL, GGJohn Oct 2015 #152

Let's all let crimes be committed when we could stop them Yorktown Oct 2015 #130

So- firing the weapon at the robber was the only way? LeftinOH Oct 2015 #6

While he's also pointing a gun at you and definitively criminal? What could go wrong..... whatthehey Oct 2015 #7

He could have shot the gun out of his hand and then karate chopped him Bonx Oct 2015 #8

Ah yes; I forgot the Walker Texas Ranger documentaries. whatthehey Oct 2015 #9

Heh...good one. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #19

He did try to hold him there Fluothane Oct 2015 #10

"as the suspect was leaving the restaurant" SecularMotion Oct 2015 #24

"as he was leaving the restaurant" bluedigger Oct 2015 #38

As long as that is the case, it is not bad treestar Oct 2015 #144

The POS armed robber was pointing a firearm at the customer, GGJohn Oct 2015 #52

he's supposed to let him go and get a plate number that was his responsibility not play policeman saturnsring Oct 2015 #58

Actually, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #64

I was thinking that too treestar Oct 2015 #151

It was an armed robbery. That word, "armed", is useful here. closeupready Oct 2015 #11

;) StrongBad Oct 2015 #12

Live by the gun, die by the gun. n/t Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #14

Every day for the past ten years, Loretta there's been giving me a large black coffee. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #15

You might want to ask Loretta if she would have preferred to take her chances with the armed robber whatthehey Oct 2015 #17

Conjecture...and bad conjecture... Human101948 Oct 2015 #33

BWAH!! CatWoman Oct 2015 #59

Good story. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #18

The robber was leaving when he was shot. The killer didn't save anybody. Shrike47 Oct 2015 #21

False. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #22

did not see anything either way about your claim or the one you responded to... Human101948 Oct 2015 #25

I didn't bother to look it up initially. It's usually a safe bet Kang Colby Oct 2015 #27

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #29

This is the second notch in Rivers' pistol grip. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #34

Wonder what the truth behind that story was... Human101948 Oct 2015 #35

I was wondering the same thing. lpbk2713 Oct 2015 #36

Not true oswaldactedalone Oct 2015 #139

Were you there? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #37

because no armed robber ever returned to eliminate witnesses whatthehey Oct 2015 #26

Well, that sure justifies an execution... Human101948 Oct 2015 #30

You keep saying it was an execution. GGJohn Oct 2015 #54

I'm an alive one - like the Waffle House employees thanks to this hero. whatthehey Oct 2015 #169

What about the people at his next armed robbery? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #28

and "what" if the executoner shot a bystander as well? CatWoman Oct 2015 #39

Apparently, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #41

The hero didn't shoot any bystanders. pintobean Oct 2015 #42

But he didn't did he. GGJohn Oct 2015 #55

whoa there sunshine CatWoman Oct 2015 #60

I am calm, just disgusted at some of the comments here blaming the customer GGJohn Oct 2015 #66

Good job Snow Leopard Oct 2015 #32

Another senseless firearm death? GGJohn Oct 2015 #44

;) StrongBad Oct 2015 #47

WTH does that mean? GGJohn Oct 2015 #49

It means they've been trolling the entire time, and actually believe it was a good dgu. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #51

So why don't they say so? GGJohn Oct 2015 #53

One of the occupational hazards of Armed Robber is that you might get shot. Throd Oct 2015 #57

Oh well. name not needed Oct 2015 #68

Not his first 'self-defense btw... Lancero Oct 2015 #71

Except maybe the POS armed robber's next victim. GGJohn Oct 2015 #75

enjoy!!! CatWoman Oct 2015 #78

How is this even related to this DGU? eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #79

Funny - the numbers say diffrient. Lancero Oct 2015 #81

And Rivers may very well have saved some future victim's life. GGJohn Oct 2015 #82

Do you agree that if Rivers didn't agitate the situiation, no one would have died? Lancero Oct 2015 #83

No, I don't believe he agitated the situation, if the ARMED ROBBER hadn't chosen GGJohn Oct 2015 #85

And if River ended up injuring, or killing, someone inside the building with his stray shots? Lancero Oct 2015 #86

Your point is irrelevant, GGJohn Oct 2015 #89

My point is just as relevant as your 'He might have saved someone else's life' point. Lancero Oct 2015 #90

But he didn't did he? GGJohn Oct 2015 #91

He didn't save anyone like you're arguing either. Lancero Oct 2015 #103

Mr. Rivers and the patrons of the restaurant disagree with you, GGJohn Oct 2015 #113

But the fact remains that he didn't save anyone. Lancero Oct 2015 #120

Oh, I would think that when the former violent criminal GGJohn Oct 2015 #121

Except Rivers put his own life at risk when HE decided to force a confrontation Lancero Oct 2015 #125

Uhhh, cops don't know yet who shot first, GGJohn Oct 2015 #132

As I said - Refuse to see. Lancero Oct 2015 #133

As you do also. eom. GGJohn Oct 2015 #134

Something else you refused to see, but I DID agree with your point earlier. Lancero Oct 2015 #137

Well, if there was exchange of gun fire, then presumably he saved himself. LisaL Oct 2015 #149

Except the only reason a exchange of gunfire occured was because he decided to force a confrontation Lancero Oct 2015 #167

He is a security guard. LisaL Oct 2015 #173

like Zimmerman saved himself after staring the fight with Trayvon Martin? Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #171

Doesn't he count? Apparently there was exchange of gun fire, so the robber was presumably LisaL Oct 2015 #153

Looks to me an armed robbery already was a pretty agitated situation Yorktown Oct 2015 #131

"Had Rivers done nothing, no one would have died" Reter Oct 2015 #99

Seriously? Just killing someone for what they 'might' do someday? Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #170

Nobody in the thread seems clear on what happened treestar Oct 2015 #146

This article is clearer and more up to date pintobean Oct 2015 #150

I wonder if they can figure out who fired the first shot treestar Oct 2015 #155

It doesn't matter. pintobean Oct 2015 #157

Whoever wrote the article seems to think there is an issue treestar Oct 2015 #158

"Police have not determined who fired the first shot." pintobean Oct 2015 #159

Sounds like they may wish to determine that treestar Oct 2015 #161

Sounds to me like they answered a question. pintobean Oct 2015 #165

Thank goodness. Now all of our waffles are safe. lindysalsagal Oct 2015 #84

This almost sounds like the first episode of "Fargo" this season on FX. Deadshot Oct 2015 #93

Sadly he telling himself he had a right to kill those guys just like the people on this Solomon Oct 2015 #119

The armed robber was 19 year old Joshua Jermaine Davis Reter Oct 2015 #118

He's one of those pics pintobean Oct 2015 #138

GUN HUMPER Skittles Oct 2015 #140

So he deserved to be killed? Is that what you are saying? Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #174

Good LittleBlue Oct 2015 #128

The posters claiming the shooter had no right to self defense are every bit as irrational Ex Lurker Oct 2015 #135

The shooter decided he was the judge, jury and executioner. Beaverhausen Oct 2015 #175

who appointed this customer as judge, jury and executioner? DrDan Oct 2015 #145

The armed robber who started the sequence of events. Throd Oct 2015 #160

Sad to see events like this, imagine the emotions the shooter must endure now. ileus Oct 2015 #148

Like "Thank God Im not dead?" StrongBad Oct 2015 #166

It really is turning into the old west. B Calm Oct 2015 #154

Seriously, rushing in to rob a place at gunpoint ain't what it use to be! Rex Oct 2015 #162

Who robs a WaHo? That's THE most likely place for one to find a LEO between midnight and 6am. Erose999 Oct 2015 #168

I guess this dude decided to take his chances and lost. LisaL Oct 2015 #172

Locking per this part of Skinner's pinned thread about what can be posted in GD. uppityperson Oct 2015 #176