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Monk06

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35. Not buying something is not arguing against it. It's Crap is not a counter arguement. The issue
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:34 PM
Oct 2015

at hand is what Germaine Greer has said and it is a political view that is exclusive not inclusive in an important way.

What she is saying is the that Feminism is the exclusive province of women and that men have no place in setting the terms of feminist debate. She excludes trans persons as men who are not genetically female as part of a Feminist political constituency regardless of their professed feelings and any surgical alterations or hormonal therapy they undergo.

Excluding men from discussion of women's issues is a trop of first wave feminism. It is unfortunate for men who are sympathetic to the Feminist movement but that's what evolved out of the debates in the 70s and 80s and formed the ideas of Adrian Piper and Griselda Pollock.

In the eighties Andrea Dworkin pushed that view to the point of a radical sexual pessimism which was a dead end.

In response modern identity politics evolved from Gay rights to LGBT rights to LGBTTQQIAAP rights. It is unclear, in a political context, how useful or even coprehensible this inflation in terminology is outside of Cultural Studies departments in a small number of Universities.

It seems to be evolving into an esoteric micro culture with no wider purchase on the public imagination

Post removed [View all] Post removed Oct 2015 OP
Greer is incorrect and an atavistic bigot. That's an opinion, not a prohibition. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #1
Maybe. Should Cardiff students be able to hear her views? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #3
+1 I have zero patience with those who wear "being offended" as a badge of honor, jonno99 Oct 2015 #5
Would you make the same argument about a virulent racist or homophobe? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2015 #6
I think universities are places to exchange views and perspectives. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #12
So should they allow the KKK to give rallies there? LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #16
Yeah, you're wrong. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #59
New level needed: MIRT300. n/t demmiblue Oct 2015 #2
Nice example of the case the OP is making. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #4
We nuke people for being racist so why not nuke a transphobe? LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #15
Oh my goodness, what a pile of crap. I hardly know where to start. LeftyMom Oct 2015 #7
For the record, TERF = Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. KamaAina Oct 2015 #8
TERF war. Heh. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #13
But this ain't their TERF! LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #17
They go Hand in Hand with SWERF Lordquinton Oct 2015 #23
No. This is leftwing biology denial and pseudoscience. frizzled Oct 2015 #9
Why does this matter so much to you? yardwork Oct 2015 #10
It's a short, philosophically sound, well reasoned argument. What makes it obsessional? Monk06 Oct 2015 #20
It's not short and it's far from philsophoically sound...it's garbage...nt joeybee12 Oct 2015 #25
Well you are correct in saying it is not, "philsophoically sound", (sorry couldn't resist lol) Your Monk06 Oct 2015 #28
The whole thing is crap... joeybee12 Oct 2015 #29
Not buying something is not arguing against it. It's Crap is not a counter arguement. The issue Monk06 Oct 2015 #35
Your demand for a counter argument requires the original argument to be worth something. stevenleser Oct 2015 #44
Your refusal to provide a counter argument is in fact an argument. Unfortunately, an Ad Hominem Monk06 Oct 2015 #48
Nope. Bigotry is automatically self-de-legitimizing. No explanation is needed. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #49
+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #50
What an awful post. Truly. yardwork Oct 2015 #30
It is a sickening post filled with tons of transphobic remarks and stereotypes nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #32
Another person who dismisses a serious and sincere argument without deigning to comment. I Monk06 Oct 2015 #37
See my #44. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #45
It seems like you're a little unclear on a few basic concepts here. LeftyMom Oct 2015 #41
Well I have had these concepts explained to me before on these sorts of threads. I am not convinced Monk06 Oct 2015 #43
Right on! nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #24
THANK YOU Skittles Oct 2015 #55
Wait a minute. LeftyMom Oct 2015 #11
+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #18
Your terf biology is full of crap, is denialism, and the real pseudoscience LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #14
+1 Lordquinton Oct 2015 #21
+1 Major Nikon Oct 2015 #27
Thank you. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #34
+1 Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #36
Bravo! nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #40
Thanks for this - this is awesome. bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #42
Nailed it. Agschmid Oct 2015 #46
... RedCappedBandit Oct 2015 #56
Nicely done, as always. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #57
I'm going to bookmark this under Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #19
I alerted on this horror of a post and it was upheld 4:3. Here are the results stevenleser Oct 2015 #47
It's not alleged transphobia, Greer IS a transphobe... joeybee12 Oct 2015 #22
If a venue has a policy against giving air time to bigots, they're not being inconsistent. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #26
That kind of bullshit has been going on right here on DU hifiguy Oct 2015 #31
so if I say gay folk should not have the right to marry Skittles Oct 2015 #54
The term "identity politics" is bullshit gollygee Oct 2015 #33
I have found out right here on du Lordquinton Oct 2015 #51
Germaine Greer is a nasty and ignorant bigot. Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #38
Fuck this bigot and anyone that buys into this bullshit. nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #39
What a load of crap. Gormy Cuss Oct 2015 #52
sorry, no, I don't tolerate bigotry Skittles Oct 2015 #53
I wonder whatever possessed you to think this garbage belonged here. stevenleser Oct 2015 #58
Oh Bullshit ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #60
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