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eissa

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38. I didn't realize "secular democratic republic" engaged in genocide

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:59 PM

Nov 2015

Pretty sure the Armenians, Assyrians and Pontic Greeks would disagree with the Turks presenting themselves as having "western political values."

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Russian pilots were shot dead as they parachuted to Earth. This just got way worse. [View all] Are_grits_groceries Nov 2015 OP

what is BNO News? librechik Nov 2015 #1

BNO from Wiki LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #8

"Breaking News On" Are_grits_groceries Nov 2015 #11

thanks--I found a Reuters link below. Soon to be confirmed, no doubt... librechik Nov 2015 #14

Omg .... polly7 Nov 2015 #2

What is who trying to provoke? maxsolomon Nov 2015 #37

Cowardly? Cowardly is... mwrguy Nov 2015 #80

I don't believe it. The "rebels" would love to get them alive. nt thereismore Nov 2015 #3

Who was shooting? Turks? Kurds? Syrians? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2015 #4

Syrian Turkmen rebels. Chan790 Nov 2015 #6

Did they land in Turkey or Syria? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #9

Syria. Chan790 Nov 2015 #17

A question... msrizzo Nov 2015 #28

That seems to be the case, yes. n/t Chan790 Nov 2015 #32

what do you mean by "us?" librechik Nov 2015 #7

By "us", of course, I mean Democrats JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2015 #24

If the Turks did it, it was "us" librechik Nov 2015 #26

Casus belli is a Latin expression meaning "An act or event that provokes or is used to justify war". saturnsring Nov 2015 #31

Unwarranted incursion into sovereign airspace is indeed a causus belli LanternWaste Nov 2015 #33

They shot the plane down in matter of seconds darkangel218 Nov 2015 #63

And Moscow has been repeatedly warned over the last 72 hours to avoid Turkish airspace LanternWaste Nov 2015 #71

That still doesn't explain why the plane was shot down within matter of seconds. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #72

If the jet had been hitting targets near the Turkish border that Turkey did not want hit, they may CentralMass Nov 2015 #76

Its more than obvious that Turkey has a problem with Russia going after ISIS. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #77

Th Russians are also htting non ISIS Syrîan rebels who are trying to over throw Assad. CentralMass Nov 2015 #84

ISIS is trying to "overthrow" Assad. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #85

In this case Russia went after Turkmen who had taken a Syrian government position. bluedigger Nov 2015 #90

Sometimes, I think "The Turks can't possibly find another way to be the pain in the ass of NATO." Chan790 Nov 2015 #5

"Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead pilots of downed Russian jet". Russia has been bombing Turkmen pampango Nov 2015 #10

Here is a Reuters link librechik Nov 2015 #12

How awful to shoot them in the air like that... cwydro Nov 2015 #13

Well, they had been bombing people, after all. bluedigger Nov 2015 #91

I know that. I'd probably feel the same toward them. cwydro Nov 2015 #92

I guess I would take getting shot madville Nov 2015 #15

Is Saudi Arabia and member of NATO too? Democat Nov 2015 #16

Saudi Arabia is not a NATO member iandhr Nov 2015 #19

But they might as well be. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #53

Vladimir Putin vents fury as Turkey downs Russian jet and pilot is shot at while descending polly7 Nov 2015 #18

Reports now that the rebels have shot down a Russian search and rescue helicopter Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #21

FFS. polly7 Nov 2015 #22

. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #52

Putin seems overly emotional, and rather hysterical LanternWaste Nov 2015 #73

Haven't the Russians been bombing these rebels? panader0 Nov 2015 #20

Damn, that's sickening packman Nov 2015 #23

Thats exactly how i feel. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #50

with all due respect... mike_c Nov 2015 #54

And by the Geneva protocol, they should have been aprehended and held as POWs darkangel218 Nov 2015 #55

no, not if they were armed and were not surrendering... mike_c Nov 2015 #56

They were shot IN THE AIR, as they were parachuting. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #57

I understand that.... mike_c Nov 2015 #58

I hear you. I blame Turkey for shooting the plane to begin with. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #61

Putin chose to ignore international law and protocol... it really is that simple LanternWaste Nov 2015 #74

If you are going to shoot down a jet, at least give them time to clear your air space! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #75

And read this, for clarifiation: darkangel218 Nov 2015 #62

well again, in fairness... mike_c Nov 2015 #66

It doesnt matter what type of plane it was! you give them time to change route! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #68

Who balances with turkey against russia? I don't know Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #78

Fucking morons... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #25

Yup, darkangel218 Nov 2015 #27

As well as Moscow... LanternWaste Nov 2015 #29

One of these things is not like the other. Igel Nov 2015 #35

It was the Syrian rebels who killed the pilots, not Turkey. randome Nov 2015 #39

Turkey shot the plane down. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #41

If they gave warnings that were unacknowledged, like they said, I don't fault them for that. randome Nov 2015 #42

You don't fault them for shutting down a plane on a mission to kill ISIS? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #43

The Russians have been bombing Turkmen in the area, not ISIS, for the past week. pampango Nov 2015 #46

Turkmen didnt shoot the plane down. Turkey did. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #47

Fair point. But the Russian bombers had been bombing, not ISIS, but Turkmen who were fighting ISIS. pampango Nov 2015 #48

Jeebus Christ.. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #49

You seemed to believe that the target of the bomber was relevant. I agree. pampango Nov 2015 #65

The bomber's mission was not to "kill ISIS enemies". darkangel218 Nov 2015 #67

From the articles detailing that Russia has been bombing Turkmen rebels for days rather than ISIS pampango Nov 2015 #69

maybe thats where ISIS were hiding. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #70

Breaking News! EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #30

Just a reminder ... Russia and Turkey were on opposite sides in WWI. eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #34

I always assumed it was because post-Ataturk Turkey was nominally a secular Democratic Republic. Chan790 Nov 2015 #36

I didn't realize "secular democratic republic" engaged in genocide eissa Nov 2015 #38

Two things. Chan790 Nov 2015 #45

The Armenian Genocide was during the Ottoman Empire (1915) DFW Nov 2015 #64

Think more "the (new) enemy of my (centuries-old) enemy is my friend." nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #44

Russian dislike of the Turks goes back much further. Xithras Nov 2015 #59

Yep, see the link to Wikipedia in my post. Centuries of bad blood. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #60

Reuters Reporting It Now... WillyT Nov 2015 #40

''They massacred my boy.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #51

Exactly, Octafish. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #81

War Octafish Nov 2015 #83

What are Syrian Turkmen? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #87

The second cemaphonic Nov 2015 #93

Putin will bow down to Erdogan 6chars Nov 2015 #79

Turkey violates the airspace of Greece constantly forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #86

Well if you can wage illegal wars, torture people and bomb hospitals malaise Nov 2015 #88

Turkey is going to lose planes if they try to bomb Kurds. roamer65 Nov 2015 #89

+1,000,000. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #94