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TheSarcastinator

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122. AND your exclusive focus on Trump as "imminent" fascism actually helps avoid the real discussion

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 12:02 PM

Nov 2015

Your choice to single out the loudest momentary proponent of American totalitarianism as threat of fascism's "possible arrival" on US shores actually serves the ruling elite quite nicely. As long as people are focused on the loudest, most offensive distraction they are much less likely to engage in historic, long term systemic analysis of oppression. We are free now because Trump isn't yet elected, right?

Trump isn't saying or doing anything outside of the American cultural mainstream -- he simply says it more clearly and directly than the other candidates. How can any of you think that he is suggesting ideas not already woven through the very foundation of our history and belief systems? Trump is nothing but a mirror for the nation. Look closely. Don't look away or try to pretend that he is "bringing" something not already here.

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If anyone believes that fascism can never come to America... [View all] MrScorpio Nov 2015 OP

He even looks like Benito Mussolini, "il Duce." The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #1

Il Douche ... napkinz Nov 2015 #5

DUzy!!! 2naSalit Nov 2015 #12

May want to copyright those..... daleanime Nov 2015 #72

He also reminds me of Idi Amin--both clownish and brutal, ridiculous and scary. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #76

Oh, yeah, Idi Amin Dada Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #83

He's Mussolini without the shinies.... lastlib Nov 2015 #85

Uncanny resemblance to George C. Scott Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #132

But I bet he'd also make the trains run on time. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #145

Definitely Il Duce Trump neverforget Nov 2015 #68

Uncanny resemblance The Blue Flower Nov 2015 #124

Oh wow SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #128

I wonder if his "fans" would even get it ifhe grew a little mustache world wide wally Nov 2015 #2

I feel as if I'm living in 1930s Germany lately. Coventina Nov 2015 #3

Replete with industrialists supporting the fascists, and quavering "moderates" doing nothing villager Nov 2015 #29

Don't forget an economic rescission for the vast majority of people. Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #79

Weimerica. nt valerief Nov 2015 #35

*golf clap* Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #146

It is. This isn't funny. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #53

The German people were not stupid, but they allowed Hitler to take power Kyblue1 Nov 2015 #69

Check. Check. eom SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #130

"Il Douche" lol +infinity n/t Sprayed tea all over desk. HickFromTheTick Nov 2015 #4

�When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross.� immoderate Nov 2015 #6

... napkinz Nov 2015 #7

I believe one of his ex-wives... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #10

... napkinz Nov 2015 #17

"we're going to have to do things that we never did before ..." napkinz Nov 2015 #87

K&R liberalnarb Nov 2015 #8

I certainly wish Bill Clinton had NOT encouraged Trump to run for President. Not helpful of Bill.. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #9

Did that really happen... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #11

Yes, it's true. Bill & Donald now both deny it (of course) but I have no doubt about it. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #18

I doubt Bill's words were "run for President." joshcryer Nov 2015 #21

If true, and Hillary wins the General Election, Volaris Nov 2015 #37

No. joshcryer Nov 2015 #39

Thats what I've never understood. A lot of what he's been for in the past, the RW hates 7962 Nov 2015 #73

It's pure ego. joshcryer Nov 2015 #91

Well, I'm convinced. gregcrawford Nov 2015 #27

And the Clintons regularly buddy around with hifiguy Nov 2015 #57

Keep your enemies closer treestar Nov 2015 #129

Enemies? Seriously? hifiguy Nov 2015 #133

How so? treestar Nov 2015 #140

You have objective knowledge of their voting patterns, or is that merely faith on your part? LanternWaste Dec 2015 #144

Odd to hear a Democrat SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #62

People show their slips occasionally n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #88

I used it ironically... joshcryer Nov 2015 #94

I hated it for years wanting to believe Bill was better than that, daybranch Nov 2015 #108

He earned it. gregcrawford Nov 2015 #113

It might have been a stroke of genius Clinton's part Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #30

+1 joshcryer Nov 2015 #38

"Stroke of genius" not toward helping our democracy but making a mockery of our two Party rhett o rick Nov 2015 #127

I'm not worried about the two party system Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #134

I can certainly understand your faith-based beliefs. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #143

Yes, of course. Trump & Slick Willy must ALWAYS be believed every time they open their mouths 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #147

Are you SURE that really happened? nt 2naSalit Nov 2015 #14

Please see 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #20

I doubt he did. joshcryer Nov 2015 #19

I know it's embarrassing and unseemly, but here it is 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #24

I'm well aware of that report. joshcryer Nov 2015 #26

Of course you say it's "bullshit" and of course they both are trying to deny it now. Cuz it's ugly,. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #33

I say that because it's irrational. joshcryer Nov 2015 #36

I have no particular 'theory' about WHY Bill encouraged Trump to run 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #42

Because he knew Hillary would clean his clock. nt 7962 Nov 2015 #74

You mean, because they had an understanding (wink-nudge) that Trump would take a fall 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #86

Ooh, yes, Trump as magnanimous. joshcryer Nov 2015 #92

Trumps sex life would make Bill's look like Mr. Rogers', by comparison 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #98

Trumps whole candidacy is a perfect representation of the far right. joshcryer Nov 2015 #107

Oh no, I think Trump believes in himself. I think Bill knew it too. 7962 Nov 2015 #95

Ooh, you post your theory in #89. joshcryer Nov 2015 #93

What the hell are you talking about? Post #89 is not even my post... 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #96

I meant #86, you reiterate in #98. joshcryer Nov 2015 #106

But if it's true Trump won't "take a fall", then it wasn't so smart after-all to "encourage" him 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #123

That's what I thought about Reagan and W, and I also thought Americans were too tblue37 Nov 2015 #77

If he did I think it's a brilliant strategic move Shankapotomus Nov 2015 #109

Will it still be a "brilliant move" if Trump actually wins the GE? I think not. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #126

The GOP propped up this guy and made him...He is their monster. yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #13

Fascism is right wing populism. joshcryer Nov 2015 #15

The marriage of corporation & state & intolerance Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #16

First they came for the Muslims. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #41

Come to? It's already here. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #22

actually DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #23

DonCo, yer right. chapdrum Nov 2015 #32

The continuing rightward lurch of the GOP is terrifying. Moostache Nov 2015 #25

True, but also the American Dream incarnate. chapdrum Nov 2015 #28

I was wondering .... left-of-center2012 Nov 2015 #31

Not an ounce LittleGirl Nov 2015 #34

That's correct..... paleotn Nov 2015 #40

After the run up the the Iraq War I believe anything could come to America. hollowdweller Nov 2015 #43

Hitler comparisons. hay rick Nov 2015 #44

K&R... spanone Nov 2015 #45

We already live under fascist control elmac Nov 2015 #46

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/10/corporate-media-wont-tell-you-hillary-clinton-is-a-lying-fascist/ stupidicus Nov 2015 #49

That much is blindingly obvious hifiguy Nov 2015 #58

or should be stupidicus Nov 2015 #59

>sigh< Too true. Thanks for bringing this up once again... Hekate Nov 2015 #47

Very true - right down to the point of Muslims carrying "identification" and Hispanics being.... George II Nov 2015 #48

If Trump is the eventual nominee...Will Republicans vote for him INdemo Nov 2015 #50

My republican friend said he will vote Bernie over Trump Marrah_G Nov 2015 #54

Well good..... but Ive talked to people that just dont know INdemo Nov 2015 #60

It's been a bi-partisan thing since the first Clinton admin stupidicus Nov 2015 #51

Not the only one Johnny2X2X Nov 2015 #52

Mussolini - Trump comparison FuzzyRabbit Nov 2015 #55

... napkinz Nov 2015 #63

It's already here! n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #56

One obvious difference between Trump and real fascists: Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #61

Would he though? Chemisse Nov 2015 #65

You honestly think Trumpolini would give up all that power once he was president? hedda_foil Nov 2015 #99

Fascism is more than an insult; it has a definition Nevernose Nov 2015 #135

... napkinz Nov 2015 #64

WHAT DO MEAN, "COULD NEVER COME TO AMERICA"?!? It's already here. catbyte Nov 2015 #66

long before that! TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #119

"Those who forget history are condemed to repeat it. " blackspade Nov 2015 #67

It Can't Happen Here... Kablooie Nov 2015 #70

No form of government is a better match with predatory capitalism hifiguy Nov 2015 #71

We're so close to this not being satire anymore... LS_Editor Nov 2015 #75

Hell is Thespian2 Nov 2015 #78

What I can't understand about the big bear hug the right is giving Fascism Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #80

Here''s how it happens in real life... TampaAnimusVortex Nov 2015 #81

He is blatantly appealing to a very dark and animal side of the human psyche deutsey Nov 2015 #82

If between now and the election he is gifted a house at the top of a mountain...... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2015 #84

this dangerous clown heaven05 Nov 2015 #89

With his hand gestures and facial expressions The Wizard Nov 2015 #90

I don't think it is so much that Trump is a true fascist drmeow Nov 2015 #97

Trump does not scare me. chknltl Nov 2015 #100

I think that we can check off most the things on this list Kalidurga Nov 2015 #101

Wow! I can't believe this is a greatest post that does not blame a certain Democrat for all McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #102

Trump shouldn't be taken seriously at all. Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #103

He is a buffoon awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #104

It is coming with or without Trump. SadWingsOfDestiny Nov 2015 #105

Great discussion thread thanks Mr. Scorpio. saidsimplesimon Nov 2015 #125

Oh, I don't know. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #110

I'm astonished this man is even given credibility as a legitimate candidate. polly7 Nov 2015 #111

He is just a natural extension of having no left wing in our country. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #114

Fascism is totally alive and rising in the person of Trump. lark Nov 2015 #115

Yes. yardwork Nov 2015 #116

They should take another look at Trump's facebook likes. DrBulldog Nov 2015 #117

Oh, you poor deluded suckers. TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #118

AND your exclusive focus on Trump as "imminent" fascism actually helps avoid the real discussion TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #122

Trump is playing to a segment of the GOP base who likes facism Gothmog Nov 2015 #120

"It Can't Happen Here". Sinclair Lewis Ishoutandscream2 Nov 2015 #121

To stop this we must disregard the distraction that it's all the REpublicons fault. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #131

IMO it is already here and in full swing. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #136

The road to fascism started on December 12, 2000. prouddemfromaustin44 Nov 2015 #137

... napkinz Nov 2015 #138

I would like to believe it couldn't happen because I love my country davidpdx Nov 2015 #139

... napkinz Dec 2015 #141

Some of us didn't forget history Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2015 #142