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Xithras

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:39 PM

Dec 2015

I had almost the same conversation with someone about Israel more than once. Apparently opposing specific policies of a foreign government means that you're an antisemitic racist who just wants to see the Holocaust happen all over again. Or something. The logic tends to be too convoluted to pay much attention to it.

"Why do you hate Jews?"

"I don't. I believe that Israel's current policies are divisive and there are better..."

"So you hate Jews?"

"No. I have a great deal of respect for the Jewish people no matter which nation they live in. The currently unsustainable relationship between..."

"You may not realize it because it's so deeply ingrained in you, but you clearly hate Jews. Why do you want to see them murdered?"

"What? I don't. I want to see genuine actions by the Israeli government to compensate those who lost land during the formation of..."

"You wish Hitler had finished the job, don't you?"

"Sorry, I thought I was talking to a sane person. My mistake."

"See, you're running away now. Because I'm right and you can't hide the truth any more. You hate Jews."

To be fair, I've also had nearly the same conversation with Bible thumpers who translate disagreements about the history of Christianity into "I hate Christians", and my defense of free speech rights in a conversation with a local activist turned into "I hate non-cis people". The crazy part of that last one was that she wasn't even LGBTQ (I am), and that she was seriously arguing that assigning gender pronouns to infants is a hate crime against the infant and that CPS should be involved whenever parents are caught referring to their kid as "he" or "she". Apparently, if you disagree with that notion, you're a cisnormative anti-LGBTQ bigot.

It's the result of black and white thinking. We live in a shades of grey world, but some people insist that everything is black or white. You're either with us or against us. There's no room for rational discourse and free thinking.

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"YOU THERE! Why do you hate Muslims?" [View all] sibelian Nov 2015 OP

I was specifically told by another DUer on this board that being anti-Islam is the same as being Coventina Nov 2015 #1

It's utterly ridiculous. sibelian Dec 2015 #18

That's what the far-right Christians say. Oneironaut Dec 2015 #36

Brilliant! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #2

Thank you... sibelian Dec 2015 #38

We all do. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #40

K&R nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #3

My views on Muslims are well known, or so I've heard. /nt LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #4

I've had this convo on DU more than I care to think about riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #5

Nailed it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #6

One can insert ANY religion in for 'Islam' and adherents of that faith will say the same thing. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #7

Link to one post where the response to criticising the Pope, Born Agains snagglepuss Nov 2015 #11

Plenty of posts just like you ask for, but I'm not doing your legwork for you. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #12

Yep. Xithras Dec 2015 #30

Ugh... sibelian Dec 2015 #39

Very apt description of the discourse here concerning Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #70

Did you share this with the athiests? And swap Muslim with Christian when you do it. Township75 Nov 2015 #8

I don't see the problem there tkmorris Nov 2015 #10

Why? What will be so good about it? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #13

Do you think atheists don't criticize Muslims and Christians? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #14

Careful, I think your bigotry is showing. mr blur Dec 2015 #17

I think the place I'm trying to get to between liberals and Islam and/or Muslims sibelian Dec 2015 #20

Dunno why; would read about the same to this atheist whatthehey Dec 2015 #28

I'm an atheist. I hate religion (Christianity included) but I don't hate religious people. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #42

Excellent. Curmudgeoness Nov 2015 #9

Rec'd and kicked. Thank you. onager Dec 2015 #15

we're supposed to pretend we don't know of such things, onager Skittles Dec 2015 #16

It's a feckin' farce. sibelian Dec 2015 #49

Yes. I've got past the stage of being polite about these things, being European. sibelian Dec 2015 #19

What country are you in? What has been your experience? smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #27

I'm from Scotland, which is actually very VERY homogenously white. sibelian Dec 2015 #29

Thank you for sharing that. I have heard similar stories from others. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #32

A lot of the media personnel are highly privileged, particularly in the BBC sibelian Dec 2015 #33

Interesting. Good to know. I often read the Guardian and am frequently smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #34

Yes. The Guardian's actually an excellent example of exactly what I'm talking about. sibelian Dec 2015 #37

Why are you here? rockfordfile Dec 2015 #46

I've been here for ages. sibelian Dec 2015 #48

Who do you think you are? Accusing a long time DU'er of not being worthy of posting on smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #51

Why are you here? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #55

"You there. WHY DO YOU HATE LIBERALS?!" sibelian Dec 2015 #56

But it DID work, at least much better, in the past whatthehey Dec 2015 #61

The areas they actually came from were different in those days, too. sibelian Dec 2015 #62

Look at you, arguing with a made-up person. blogslut Dec 2015 #21

Yes. It was very satisfying. sibelian Dec 2015 #25

Well, people pray all the time, and that's "talking" to a made-up person-thing-being. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #44

It's much easier to win against a straw man. n/t cpwm17 Dec 2015 #75

Indeed. In fact, victory is guaranteed! sibelian Dec 2015 #77

As Liberals, we need to challenge all ideologies Yavin4 Dec 2015 #22

I think it's an underdog thing theboss Dec 2015 #24

I understand the need to defend a minority group from hate here in the US. I get that entirely. Yavin4 Dec 2015 #31

You understand that need, but I offer Westboro Baptist Church, which did hundreds of hateful pickets Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #57

Westboro Church is, like, 20 people all with the last name Phelps theboss Dec 2015 #58

minority group DustyJoe Dec 2015 #76

Exactly. We challenge conservatives and conservatism every day, too. arcane1 Dec 2015 #26

I would include cultural as well. True Earthling Dec 2015 #35

"I like to talk." nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2015 #23

It reminds me of a man who said Aerows Dec 2015 #41

I don't hate anyone. cwydro Dec 2015 #43

Me neither. sibelian Dec 2015 #45

I like what you post. cwydro Dec 2015 #47

Why do you hate Christians? Quackers Dec 2015 #50

CUZ THEY'RE FUNNY LOOKIN' sibelian Dec 2015 #54

Thank you! Behind the Aegis Dec 2015 #52

You're welcome and yes, it makes my blood BOIL. sibelian Dec 2015 #53

Yawn. closeupready Dec 2015 #59

Aw, man. sibelian Dec 2015 #60

Nothing personal. I don't think you and I ever disagree that much, and closeupready Dec 2015 #64

OK, I did go on a bit. sibelian Dec 2015 #66

I know you mean well, hon. closeupready Dec 2015 #72

:) sibelian Dec 2015 #74

What's your point RosedaleGuy Dec 2015 #63

It's a reactionary OP. Islam seems to exist in this weird vaccuum sibelian Dec 2015 #65

As usual, an excellent OP. hifiguy Dec 2015 #67

Well said. sibelian Dec 2015 #68

The ME has been a tribal slaughterhouse for a thousand years. hifiguy Dec 2015 #69

Of course, you could say exactly the same thing about Europe. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #71

Some people seem to think all of these numerous wars the US has started are natural disasters. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #73