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In reply to the discussion: "YOU THERE! Why do you hate Muslims?" [View all]sibelian
(7,804 posts)68. Well said.
Your comparison to the defense of Stalin is highly apt.
It's clearly not within our power to explain what it is about this belief structure that makes it prone to such acts of cruelty, and we CANNOT explain it away as a region specific anomaly as similar acts have been performed now by putatively "Westernised" Mulsims. But denying it is utterly futile.
We cannot possibly explain away this religion's bloodthirst in terms of reaction to the West. The way these countries treat their own citizens is frequently equally horrific, also all political and national factions seem equally culpable.
I would urge anyone on this site who still thinks Islam is a religion of peace to go to Youtube and search under the terms "Syria abuse" and be prepared for an experience somewhat more raw than the now sadly typical cop abuse videos that generate so much controversy in the Western media. There is a great deal of information about the horrible situation Syrian civilians frequently find themselves in freely available, in the moving image.
There seems to be a particular delight taken in inflicting revolting levels of pain and humiliation on bound, helpess, terrified men. I have no idea how the women are affected by these processes, I can only assume it's as bad or worse, there's very little footage available in that regard and anyway, I don't think I could watch it.
The West has nothing to do with any of this. I am not going to be told that the evidence found in these videos is to be regarded by me as beyond my understanding through being a white Westerner and imposing my own cultural values on them. Muslims themselves have PLENTY to say about them.
I had considered linking to them here, but it's pointless. They would be hidden.
There's only one thing the perpetrators of all these crimes have in common.
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I was specifically told by another DUer on this board that being anti-Islam is the same as being
Coventina
Nov 2015
#1
One can insert ANY religion in for 'Islam' and adherents of that faith will say the same thing.
cleanhippie
Nov 2015
#7
Plenty of posts just like you ask for, but I'm not doing your legwork for you.
cleanhippie
Nov 2015
#12
Did you share this with the athiests? And swap Muslim with Christian when you do it.
Township75
Nov 2015
#8
I think the place I'm trying to get to between liberals and Islam and/or Muslims
sibelian
Dec 2015
#20
I'm an atheist. I hate religion (Christianity included) but I don't hate religious people.
Arugula Latte
Dec 2015
#42
Yes. I've got past the stage of being polite about these things, being European.
sibelian
Dec 2015
#19
Yes. The Guardian's actually an excellent example of exactly what I'm talking about.
sibelian
Dec 2015
#37
Who do you think you are? Accusing a long time DU'er of not being worthy of posting on
smirkymonkey
Dec 2015
#51
Well, people pray all the time, and that's "talking" to a made-up person-thing-being.
Arugula Latte
Dec 2015
#44
I understand the need to defend a minority group from hate here in the US. I get that entirely.
Yavin4
Dec 2015
#31
You understand that need, but I offer Westboro Baptist Church, which did hundreds of hateful pickets
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#57