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valerief

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35. Christmas is a national holiday. People get the day off from work regardless of
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:28 PM
Dec 2015

their religion. People are expected to buy others gifts regardless of their religion.

It doesn't matter how Christmas started (a pagan holiday). It's a national holiday now with no ties to religion. Live with it.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm

Pagan traditions: Many Pagan cultures used to cut boughs of evergreen trees in December, move them into the home or temple, and decorate them. 7 Modern-day Pagans still do. This was to recognize the winter solstice -- the time of the year that had the shortest daylight hours, and longest night of the year. This occurs annually sometime between DEC-20 to 23; most often, it is DEC-21. As the solstice approached, they noticed that the days were gradually getting shorter; many feared that the sun would eventually disappear forever, and everyone would freeze in the dark. But, even though deciduous trees, bushes, and crops died or hibernated for the winter, the evergreen trees remained green. They seemed to have magical powers that enabled them to withstand the rigors of winter.


http://www.livescience.com/25779-christmas-traditions-history-paganism.html

Perhaps that's why pagan traditions remained even as Christianity took hold. The Christmas tree is a 17th-century German invention, University of Bristol's Hutton told LiveScience, but it clearly derives from the pagan practice of bringing greenery indoors to decorate in midwinter. The modern Santa Claus is a direct descendent of England's Father Christmas, who was not originally a gift-giver. However, Father Christmas and his other European variations are modern incarnations of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter, Hutton said.

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that's nuts Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #1
Well shit - it is Christmas time. 840high Dec 2015 #2
Are there non-Christians who use a lighted tree in December? TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #3
Have you never heard of a Hannukah Bush? SheilaT Dec 2015 #8
Nope, never heard of it. Nonetheless, under this principle of leaving out the TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #10
My mother always found that offensive starroute Dec 2015 #22
Yes, about offensive and the '50s inflation to a Christmas equivalent. SheilaT Dec 2015 #48
... Major Nikon Dec 2015 #27
That's excellent. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #31
Plenty. Non-Christians celebrate Christmas, because it's a national holiday, not because valerief Dec 2015 #30
If you're non-Christian, you're not so much celebrating Christmas (the birth of Christ) TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #33
Christmas is a national holiday. People get the day off from work regardless of valerief Dec 2015 #35
Well, I'm a Christian who celebrates Christmas, so that kinda goes my way. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #38
I'm an atheist. I'd rather do away with the holiday name altogether but not the holiday. valerief Dec 2015 #40
I would welcome an Atheist Holiday day off. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #42
I think your dramatically discounting the historical process called acculturation. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #68
The original holiday is pagan localroger Dec 2015 #51
I'm confused. What else should a Christmas tree be called? LittleBlue Dec 2015 #4
"Stolen-From-Paganism" Tree? Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #7
That same tree! LittleBlue Dec 2015 #11
Yeah, like all of them Major Nikon Dec 2015 #23
The Christian missionaries co-opted the northern pagan holidays to "push the product" 1939 Dec 2015 #50
Lol Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #36
+1000 awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #54
Good riddance, I'm quite happy to hear it called a Christmas Tree Lighting. Waldorf Dec 2015 #5
It's not even Christian. Archae Dec 2015 #6
I have an issue with religious ceremonies on public ground ever Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #9
Happy Holidays Fundies! Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #12
Merry Christmas! It is a federal holiday afterall yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #13
So what? There are many holidays December-January, and Happy Holidays includes them all. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #15
None of them federal holidays yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #16
Again, so what? Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #24
Not as greetings but to quit over a federal holidays is not normal yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #45
But you posted "Merry Christmas" as a comeback to "Happy Holidays." Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #56
I use both yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #58
Well, it seems like you took issue with it, but it's good to know you don't care. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #59
I guess I did. Talk to you in another OP. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #65
Should I be offended when Jews light a Menorah for Hannukka? world wide wally Dec 2015 #14
That would be "A Candelabra Lighting." grossproffit Dec 2015 #26
I'm a pretty rabid atheist, but she is nuts FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #17
+1 Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #19
What the hell ever. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #18
well . . . bye Facility Inspector Dec 2015 #20
This is pretty silly, to the point of self-parody. tritsofme Dec 2015 #21
Awww, poor councilwoman. linuxman Dec 2015 #25
Good for her (though I think she would do much better keeping her position). demmiblue Dec 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author hifiguy Dec 2015 #29
What? smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #32
Good. One so thin-skinned should hold public office to begin with. Merry Christmas!!! eom Purveyor Dec 2015 #34
Bye, Felicia. bigwillq Dec 2015 #37
People are so crazy. If I tell a Jewish person Merry Christmas they reply with Happy Hannukah. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #39
"Holiday Tree" is the stupidest kind of political correctness. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #41
Councilwoman Storey Provides Insight Into Decision To Resign oberliner Dec 2015 #43
Wow. You would think from that screed that the council had enacted the Nuremberg Laws. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #44
if you cannot see the intentional reasons which i imagine flow to other areas then so be it. JanMichael Dec 2015 #57
She described how they were sneaky about it Mariana Dec 2015 #66
None of her arguments holds water FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #46
I noticed she left out Jews. Interesting... grossproffit Dec 2015 #47
She "left out" hundreds of non-Xian religions. Why single out Jews? whatthehey Dec 2015 #49
She sounds ignorant enough to believe Jews are Christians n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #61
This person is a dream come true for Bill O'Reilly melman Dec 2015 #53
I'll let Latrice Royal say my piece romanic Dec 2015 #55
she made it the issue...it's as bad as the Christians who fight halloween: on edit it's worse Demonaut Dec 2015 #64
Seriously, you are going to resign over that? davidn3600 Dec 2015 #52
Good riddance ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #60
Ah... to be Mendocino Dec 2015 #62
it's fucking Christmas....attack the hyper commercializing of the event if anything Demonaut Dec 2015 #63
time for a Reverse Santa: he'll wreck up the place, take your gifts, MisterP Dec 2015 #67
A classic case of COS (Constantly Offended Syndrome) nt clarice Dec 2015 #69
Resignation rescinded, Mayor reached out to the council woman and they are keeping Christmas with Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #70
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