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In reply to the discussion: Councilwoman quits over 'Christmas' tree lighting [View all]valerief
(53,235 posts)35. Christmas is a national holiday. People get the day off from work regardless of
their religion. People are expected to buy others gifts regardless of their religion.
It doesn't matter how Christmas started (a pagan holiday). It's a national holiday now with no ties to religion. Live with it.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
Pagan traditions: Many Pagan cultures used to cut boughs of evergreen trees in December, move them into the home or temple, and decorate them. 7 Modern-day Pagans still do. This was to recognize the winter solstice -- the time of the year that had the shortest daylight hours, and longest night of the year. This occurs annually sometime between DEC-20 to 23; most often, it is DEC-21. As the solstice approached, they noticed that the days were gradually getting shorter; many feared that the sun would eventually disappear forever, and everyone would freeze in the dark. But, even though deciduous trees, bushes, and crops died or hibernated for the winter, the evergreen trees remained green. They seemed to have magical powers that enabled them to withstand the rigors of winter.
http://www.livescience.com/25779-christmas-traditions-history-paganism.html
Perhaps that's why pagan traditions remained even as Christianity took hold. The Christmas tree is a 17th-century German invention, University of Bristol's Hutton told LiveScience, but it clearly derives from the pagan practice of bringing greenery indoors to decorate in midwinter. The modern Santa Claus is a direct descendent of England's Father Christmas, who was not originally a gift-giver. However, Father Christmas and his other European variations are modern incarnations of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter, Hutton said.
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Nope, never heard of it. Nonetheless, under this principle of leaving out the
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#10
Plenty. Non-Christians celebrate Christmas, because it's a national holiday, not because
valerief
Dec 2015
#30
If you're non-Christian, you're not so much celebrating Christmas (the birth of Christ)
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#33
Christmas is a national holiday. People get the day off from work regardless of
valerief
Dec 2015
#35
Well, I'm a Christian who celebrates Christmas, so that kinda goes my way.
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#38
I'm an atheist. I'd rather do away with the holiday name altogether but not the holiday.
valerief
Dec 2015
#40
I think your dramatically discounting the historical process called acculturation.
LanternWaste
Dec 2015
#68
The Christian missionaries co-opted the northern pagan holidays to "push the product"
1939
Dec 2015
#50
So what? There are many holidays December-January, and Happy Holidays includes them all.
Arugula Latte
Dec 2015
#15
Well, it seems like you took issue with it, but it's good to know you don't care.
Arugula Latte
Dec 2015
#59
Good. One so thin-skinned should hold public office to begin with. Merry Christmas!!! eom
Purveyor
Dec 2015
#34
People are so crazy. If I tell a Jewish person Merry Christmas they reply with Happy Hannukah.
LiberalArkie
Dec 2015
#39
Wow. You would think from that screed that the council had enacted the Nuremberg Laws.
Nye Bevan
Dec 2015
#44
if you cannot see the intentional reasons which i imagine flow to other areas then so be it.
JanMichael
Dec 2015
#57
she made it the issue...it's as bad as the Christians who fight halloween: on edit it's worse
Demonaut
Dec 2015
#64
it's fucking Christmas....attack the hyper commercializing of the event if anything
Demonaut
Dec 2015
#63
Resignation rescinded, Mayor reached out to the council woman and they are keeping Christmas with
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2015
#70