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WillowTree

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12. And you think making the mere mention of the name of the holiday a big offense........

Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:39 PM

Dec 2015

.......isn't exclusionary toward the majority of Americans who do celebrate Christmas, either as a religious or secular holiday? That isn't saying to us “I only care about what I do and do not celebrate, and if you don't like the fact that I don't even want you to mention your celebration, too bad.”?

"Simply replacing the religious word qualifier 'Christmas' with the word qualifier 'holiday'" is not inclusive. It excludes Christians (and non-Christians who celebrate Christmas secularly); tells us that holiday is "offensive".

And by the way, if someone told you that you have some sort of "right" to never to have to encounter anything that will offend you, they were lying. Just sayin'. And if having someone tell you that they wish for you to be merry on a day when they celebrate something that you do not is sufficiently offensive to cause a disturbance in your day, honestly, that's your problem.

"Inclusiveness" mean everyone. Including the majority. It's a Christmas tree. It always has been a Christmas tree. It's not a religious symbol. See if you can find something that actually matters to get your undies in a bunch about.

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I�m confused. �Happy Holidays� is good, but the �National Holiday Tree� isn�t? [View all] fwiff Dec 2015 OP

Instead of a national tree, how about a karaoke night where we can all sing whatever we randys1 Dec 2015 #1

Interesting idea. We can call that night... Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #31

"Christmas" is a US national holiday, and is not a religious holiday jberryhill Dec 2015 #2

Yep! Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #6

This is actually the most relevant reply to my question. fwiff Dec 2015 #9

And in a 1000 years or so when Christianity has gone the way of Odin Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #11

Yes, you absolutely should be offended! FrodosPet Dec 2015 #35

It comes under "intent" Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #3

Yes, intent matters. LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #17

Yeah, that puzzles me Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #19

I'm not Christian either leftynyc Dec 2015 #4

It's not outrage, simply a diffrent POV fwiff Dec 2015 #8

Disagree leftynyc Dec 2015 #23

Happy Holidays ecompasses Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, Kwanzaa lunamagica Dec 2015 #5

I think it depends on the context el_bryanto Dec 2015 #7

This is all part of our "War on Christmas�", it helps confuse and disorient the enemy. Glassunion Dec 2015 #10

And you think making the mere mention of the name of the holiday a big offense........ WillowTree Dec 2015 #12

Again, I'm not objecting to anyone celebrating Christmas. fwiff Dec 2015 #13

And the tree....... WillowTree Dec 2015 #14

"Get over it" ? Seriously, THAT'S your response? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #39

Yes. WillowTree Dec 2015 #41

It seems obvious you are unable to see this issue from outside your own worldview. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #42

Ditto. To both statements. WillowTree Dec 2015 #43

Ahh, the old "I know you are, but what am I?" retort cleanhippie Dec 2015 #44

Look.....part of inclusiveness is learning to enjoy the cultures of others. WillowTree Dec 2015 #16

And before the 1800s....... WillowTree Dec 2015 #33

You might want to contemplate what "inclusive" means whatthehey Dec 2015 #29

If it is relevant to your argument that 2/3 of the world's population is not Christian, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #15

Perhaps, but it would be more relevant to show that the "nones" are growing exponentially cleanhippie Dec 2015 #40

There is no such thing as a holiday tree in the U.S. in December. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #18

I think it means something different if LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #20

It doesn't bother me a bit if people wish each other Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #21

I agree about "Holiday Tree." LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #22

Frankly I think we should just strike fucking December from the calendar. CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #24

I'll remind you this spring when it's Passover so you can go picket the WH onenote Dec 2015 #25

I would rather save my energy for other issues... Kalidurga Dec 2015 #26

You know, Tommy Lee Jones was asked about this very topic. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2015 #27

No, Happy Holidays is not acceptable Cosmocat Dec 2015 #28

It's all bullshit. If you like Christmas, celebrate it. Period. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #30

The distinction is a simple one Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #32

some nice people are hearing it differently than we here at DU...they are told that it is CTyankee Dec 2015 #34

National Holiday tree sounds dumb. ileus Dec 2015 #36

Consistent application of your conclusion suggests changing the name of the holiday LanternWaste Dec 2015 #37

Here's what's going on with this issue that some don't seem to get Major Nikon Dec 2015 #38