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daaron

(763 posts)
37. Most excellent!
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:53 PM
May 2012

A few comments for you, rfranklin:

Nice writing! The one thing I miss most about reading newspapers, as opposed to blog posts, is grammatically correct and proofed stories and letters. I just wince at intelligent people loosing bad writing on an already ignorant world.

Nice synopsis! These are definitely top talking points to remember when dealing with the theocrats in our midst. I read it all thrice just to burn it into my brainpan. Others are probably better suited to supply additional examples in line with your OP, so I'll limit myself to this next, last, kinda oddball comment:

As you say, the U.S.A. was not founded on Christian principles. It's also not conspiracy theory to state that it was founded, in large part (with huge contributions from English common law and the Iroquois, of course) on Freemasonic principles -- from the very idea of a Constitution as a foundation-stone (the earliest references to a "Constitution" in this particular sense can be traced to proto-Masonic orders in the 17th century), to the wall of separation of Church and State (discussing religion and politics is a no-no in the Lodge, and any adult male of any religion could join -- plus, most Lodges began desegregation in the 19th century, hitting a major speed-bump from the '20s to the '60s). Other examples exist, and there's some excellent books on the subject. Usually folks just point out that most of the Founders were Masons, but that's not the relevant part. What is relevant is that they drew heavily on Freemasonry to craft a Secular Republic in which freedom of conscience was a primary characteristic. Today, 1 in 12 adult males is a Freemason (albeit according to the Freemasons, with secret membership impossible to verify).

For too long we've dismissed anything to do with fraternal orders and secret societies as conspiracy fluff, when it's actually just some interesting U.S. history that deserves better treatment. Fraternities? The Greek System? We can thank Jonathan Edwards and the Skull and Bones Society of Yale for establishing that American curiosity. Would anyone say that the history of Frats and Sororities is conspiracy fluff? Why then dismiss the trunk from which these later organizations branched?

It helps: the U.S. was founded on Freemasonic and Native American principles, not Christian principles -- and these are decidedly, emphatically secular. They are at the heart of the Enlightenment (c.f. Dame Francis Yates, "The Rosicrucian Enlightenment&quot , and the Enlightenment is at the heart of the U.S.A.

Great post!

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Bravo! JHB May 2012 #1
Thanks! rfranklin May 2012 #2
And that is ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2012 #3
Excellent sarge43 May 2012 #4
K&R tk2kewl May 2012 #5
A very well-written rebuttal! rustydog May 2012 #6
Oh, SNAP! colorado_ufo May 2012 #7
Have you ever noticed Bozvotros May 2012 #8
Excellent n/t ceile May 2012 #9
Most of the people I've met who say they want a "Chrisitan" nation raouldukelives May 2012 #10
Nailed it! classof56 May 2012 #15
+ a gazillion + 50 million times a gazillion! chervilant May 2012 #26
If you can use it, use it. Heck, you don't even have to quote me. raouldukelives May 2012 #38
Saving your post and the OP BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #28
I notice that all the time Populist_Prole May 2012 #30
Damned good letter. mlevans May 2012 #11
Barton is apparently going after Jefferson now starroute May 2012 #12
Good job. surrealAmerican May 2012 #13
very nice SemperEadem May 2012 #14
We tend to deify our founding fathers themselves. Rozlee May 2012 #16
The Jefferson Bible is available to read online PADemD May 2012 #21
Thanks. Rozlee May 2012 #32
If you get a chance, elleng May 2012 #24
My daughter says it's on the evil Netflix. Rozlee May 2012 #34
May be, but I watch The West Wing from Netflix, elleng May 2012 #35
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #17
Wish I had something to add to this. Maybe the Treaty of Tripoli which has 4 'founders' voting 'yea' AtheistCrusader May 2012 #18
Very well written. Post again if it's printed. longship May 2012 #19
good job! madmom May 2012 #20
Boldly stated and well expressed. Kudos to you. K & R. freshwest May 2012 #22
Great piece; spread it around. elleng May 2012 #23
well said NewJeffCT May 2012 #25
This is the part I love: CrispyQ May 2012 #27
As a Christian I am delighted with this article. Absolutely correct. And to anyone who asks why they jwirr May 2012 #29
Excellent LTTE!!! K&R, n/t Martin Eden May 2012 #31
Great letter! Wind Dancer May 2012 #33
Yes. JDPriestly May 2012 #36
Most excellent! daaron May 2012 #37
Thanks for those insights! rfranklin May 2012 #39
Great response! Somewhere Jeffrey T. Karl is thinking, "FUCK! Why did I ever write that letter?" 11 Bravo May 2012 #40
I think he is scouring the Wall Builders website for his reply... rfranklin May 2012 #41
I doubt it... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #42
Well done! chollybocker May 2012 #43
Why do you hate America! Tsiyu May 2012 #44
K&R (NT) Eric J in MN May 2012 #45
Religion is a crutch The Wizard May 2012 #46
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